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Common question amongs grey's and even older users''
Everyone knows that getting older = thinning of hair follicles and eventually falling out (hairloss)
But most DONT know what the direct causes are for this to happen -
Therefore this thread
HAIR IS LIFE
- Protect it at all cost, you wont regret reading this thread
DHT -
The main reason for hair to fall out = DHT
This hormone starts as Testostrone, then it converts into DHT.
By the 5a-reducate enzyme. About 5-10% of daily testostrone is converted into DHT, which is bad for ur hair ( NO SHIT ).
BUUTTT BOSSS, HOW IS DHT BAD FOR MEEE -
1. - DHT binds to AR - Androgen Receptors, in the dermal papilla cells of the hair follicles. By about 5x stronger than testostrone, this interaction between DHT and hair follicles induces a binding process which leads to ''reshaping'' of the receptor, making it be more active. When it binds it releases ''Chaperones proteins'', these are like bodygaurds. AS soon as DHT binds the bodyguards are released. The receptor no longer needs them, bc once DHT binds, the cell says '' OK bro, where no longer needed, so they fall off, after this the dimerization can start. This whole process allows dimerization, the non active receptor becomes far weaker, slower hair growth, triggers the follicle to shrink more and it pushes the hair in a resting state sooner.
2. - Progressive miniaturization, this is an important topic, but you have to understand the basics -
A hair's life cycle = Grow -> rest -> fall out -> New hair -
DHT, does NOT make the follicle die, It makes it WEAKER every life cycle when the cycle repeats itself. + This is also why starting Fin/Dut at early age is smart, some people already take note of this and started quickly which is very smart ( @Volksstaffel ) and you'll learn why in the next few sentances. A normal follicle starts Big and healty, produces a Thick and a long TERMINAL hair. That's also why younger people often have extremely nice thick hair and it gets worse when they get older. DHT -> It shortens total growth time and sends a ''shrink'' signal every cycle. After a few cycle's the follicle is far smaller -> The hair is thinner, shorter and weaker. After YEARS your hair will be so thin and weak it will almost look like the average sales person in his 40's. And end stage = FULLY BALD , some don't reach this and some do quicker than others but yeah, just give it time he
3. - The hair growth cycle, the phases and DHT effect on this explained more in depth -
You have 3 phasas, Anagan (The growth Phase) , Catagen (regression phase) Telogen (resting&end phase). Lets start of with the first one - Anagen, this is the phase where the follicle is fully active, cells in the bulb divide quickly, pushing out a thick hair shaft. This take about 2-7 years, obv dependant. About 85-90% of your hair are in this phase at any time. Then starts the second phase, Catagen, this is where the growth halts, the hair follicle starts to shrink up and the hair starts to detacht from its blood supply. This takes between 2-3 weeks. Then comes as the Last phase, Telogen. The resting/end phase, The hair doesn't'do anything, doens't grow or nun, it just sits there until it falls out. This takes another 3-4 months. Than a new anagan starts, growing a new hair. And you already know, bc of DHT this one will be smaller and weaker. As I explained in 2. DHT main signal in this cycle = it shortens Anagen phase, from years to months, and even WEEKS. Which means, less time growing = shorter, thinner hair each time. Not good
How age effects hair -
The main thing in play here is something called Androgenetic Alopetia - This gets progressivly stronger with age
Genes also play a MASSIVE role in how sensitive you are to this. That's why some men get extreme balding at 18 already and some have a full head of hear into there thirty's. This is short for AGA, and that is what I will call it in this post mainly, AGA most often starts right after puberty, when androgen rise. It needs alot of time + ongoing DHT exposure. <- Important remember this. It gets worse over age because of what I have explained before, More hair cycles = more miniaturization. AGA is the most common geneticly driven factor for hairloss in men, caused by sensitivty to ANDROGENS (DHT). The more Sensitive you become, the more hairloss you will get..... Genetics bassicly tell your body how strongly you react to DHT. Luckily.... there's 1 pretty easy fix for this DHT issue, which most of ya'll already know but will still state most populair onces in the end.
Here's another graph from a blog was reading when doing research -
drhair.co.uk
Why do only specific areas get affected -
This is bc DHT doesn't affect all hair follicles exually, only specific zones start to thin (front, temples and crown). Creating the classic patterns you see on the daily.
Some Follicles genetticlly have more AR's and higher 5a-reductase activity, which causes DHT to hit it harder -> FASTER BALD.
Resistant follicles. This is also a thing, sadly ur body hates you and doesn't want you to live happy. So the back and sides of your head, they have less AR's and or lower enzyme levels -> DHT will barely effect them -> Hair will stay thick. THIS is also why all hair-transplants take hair from this part at the back/side and not from the nuts that you bath in minoxidil every night ( @KanyeEast ). Genetics dertime which area will be stuck down by DHT first. ->
How to prevent balding/furter balding -
If you are already at one of the stages, 1.2.3.4.5.6.7 its already to late for you. - All you can do right now is prevent further damage, by killing the thing that is causing it in the first place - You've guessed it DHT. DHT is the number 1 factor that is hurting your hair. Start early, you have seen how it all works. I suggest you start as soon as you penis is done growing. DHT's main role is penile growth in puberty, it does a bit more but most doesn't matter after u hit the age of 16. I can't stress this enough, HAIR IS LIFE - Try and preserve most of its thickness and lenght YESTERDAY>>>> You will not regret it when u get older. I suggest you start with Finastride, since it has a very short halflife. If you don't experience any side effects, start on Dutastride right after you hit 6 months on Fin. 99% of the sides that happen with DHT blocking mechanism happen whithin this time person of month 1-6. Most will not feel/experience any sides. Topical androgen blockers are also a option. They work, but I don't see why this would be ideal over just taking 1 pill a day tbh. Maybe try this if u are the 0.001% that gets sides on oral fin/dut. And for those wondering. No, your cope rosemary oil or ur cum in a bottle u buy at the pharmacy next door will not help your scale-6 baldness. It's all just marketing. U can also try oral/topical things like minoxidil, which i can vouch for, this doesn't help the balding problem tho. It grows your hair faster, but it doesn't recover any lost hair follicles. Only hair transplant does this.
I know this has been a long fk'n thread, this isn't a easy topic
Hope this helps at least a few people - Rep would be appriated
At least this didn't took me like 3 days to write.
PS - English is my fourth language, stop crying about fkn grammer
@turkcelfatcel @Micrognathic @Zagro
Everyone knows that getting older = thinning of hair follicles and eventually falling out (hairloss)
But most DONT know what the direct causes are for this to happen -
Therefore this thread
HAIR IS LIFE
- Protect it at all cost, you wont regret reading this thread
In this thread I will be mainly covering ALL aspects of why we are balding, how DHT plays a Massive'' Role in this and how ur again = more hairloss. Will also give a few solutions to hairloss to prevent hairloss in the first place, and my take on all of this hair stuff.
DHT -
The main reason for hair to fall out = DHT
This hormone starts as Testostrone, then it converts into DHT.
By the 5a-reducate enzyme. About 5-10% of daily testostrone is converted into DHT, which is bad for ur hair ( NO SHIT ).
BUUTTT BOSSS, HOW IS DHT BAD FOR MEEE
- 1. - DHT binds to AR - Androgen Receptors, in the dermal papilla cells of the hair follicles. By about 5x stronger than testostrone, this interaction between DHT and hair follicles induces a binding process which leads to ''reshaping'' of the receptor, making it be more active. When it binds it releases ''Chaperones proteins'', these are like bodygaurds. AS soon as DHT binds the bodyguards are released. The receptor no longer needs them, bc once DHT binds, the cell says '' OK bro, where no longer needed, so they fall off, after this the dimerization can start
. This whole process allows dimerization, the non active receptor becomes far weaker, slower hair growth, triggers the follicle to shrink more and it pushes the hair in a resting state sooner.
2. - Progressive miniaturization, this is an important topic, but you have to understand the basics -
A hair's life cycle = Grow -> rest -> fall out -> New hair -
DHT, does NOT make the follicle die, It makes it WEAKER every life cycle when the cycle repeats itself. + This is also why starting Fin/Dut at early age is smart, some people already take note of this and started quickly which is very smart ( @Volksstaffel
) and you'll learn why in the next few sentances. A normal follicle starts Big and healty, produces a Thick and a long TERMINAL hair. That's also why younger people often have extremely nice thick hair and it gets worse when they get older. DHT -> It shortens total growth time and sends a ''shrink'' signal every cycle. After a few cycle's the follicle is far smaller -> The hair is thinner, shorter and weaker. After YEARS your hair will be so thin and weak it will almost look like the average sales person in his 40's. And end stage = FULLY BALD , some don't reach this and some do quicker than others but yeah, just give it time he3. - The hair growth cycle, the phases and DHT effect on this explained more in depth -
You have 3 phasas, Anagan (The growth Phase) , Catagen (regression phase) Telogen (resting&end phase). Lets start of with the first one - Anagen, this is the phase where the follicle is fully active, cells in the bulb divide quickly, pushing out a thick hair shaft. This take about 2-7 years, obv dependant. About 85-90% of your hair are in this phase at any time. Then starts the second phase, Catagen, this is where the growth halts, the hair follicle starts to shrink up and the hair starts to detacht from its blood supply. This takes between 2-3 weeks. Then comes as the Last phase, Telogen. The resting/end phase, The hair doesn't'do anything, doens't grow or nun, it just sits there until it falls out. This takes another 3-4 months. Than a new anagan starts, growing a new hair. And you already know, bc of DHT this one will be smaller and weaker. As I explained in 2. DHT main signal in this cycle = it shortens Anagen phase, from years to months, and even WEEKS. Which means, less time growing = shorter, thinner hair each time. Not good
How age effects hair -
The main thing in play here is something called Androgenetic Alopetia - This gets progressivly stronger with age
Genes also play a MASSIVE role in how sensitive you are to this. That's why some men get extreme balding at 18 already and some have a full head of hear into there thirty's. This is short for AGA, and that is what I will call it in this post mainly, AGA most often starts right after puberty, when androgen rise. It needs alot of time + ongoing DHT exposure. <- Important remember this. It gets worse over age because of what I have explained before, More hair cycles = more miniaturization. AGA is the most common geneticly driven factor for hairloss in men, caused by sensitivty to ANDROGENS (DHT). The more Sensitive you become, the more hairloss you will get..... Genetics bassicly tell your body how strongly you react to DHT. Luckily.... there's 1 pretty easy fix for this DHT issue, which most of ya'll already know but will still state most populair onces in the end.
Here's another graph from a blog was reading when doing research -
What Age Do Men Start Balding? | DrHair
Find out what age men start balding, factors affecting the onset of male pattern baldness & whether you might start losing your hair soon.
drhair.co.uk
Why do only specific areas get affected -
This is bc DHT doesn't affect all hair follicles exually, only specific zones start to thin (front, temples and crown). Creating the classic patterns you see on the daily.
Some Follicles genetticlly have more AR's and higher 5a-reductase activity, which causes DHT to hit it harder -> FASTER BALD
.Resistant follicles. This is also a thing, sadly ur body hates you and doesn't want you to live happy. So the back and sides of your head, they have less AR's and or lower enzyme levels -> DHT will barely effect them -> Hair will stay thick. THIS is also why all hair-transplants take hair from this part at the back/side and not from the nuts that you bath in minoxidil every night ( @KanyeEast ). Genetics dertime which area will be stuck down by DHT first. ->
How to prevent balding/furter balding -
If you are already at one of the stages, 1.2.3.4.5.6.7 its already to late for you. - All you can do right now is prevent further damage, by killing the thing that is causing it in the first place - You've guessed it DHT. DHT is the number 1 factor that is hurting your hair. Start early, you have seen how it all works. I suggest you start as soon as you penis is done growing. DHT's main role is penile growth in puberty, it does a bit more but most doesn't matter after u hit the age of 16. I can't stress this enough, HAIR IS LIFE - Try and preserve most of its thickness and lenght YESTERDAY>>>> You will not regret it when u get older. I suggest you start with Finastride, since it has a very short halflife. If you don't experience any side effects, start on Dutastride right after you hit 6 months on Fin. 99% of the sides that happen with DHT blocking mechanism happen whithin this time person of month 1-6. Most will not feel/experience any sides. Topical androgen blockers are also a option. They work, but I don't see why this would be ideal over just taking 1 pill a day tbh
. Maybe try this if u are the 0.001% that gets sides on oral fin/dut. And for those wondering. No, your cope rosemary oil or ur cum in a bottle u buy at the pharmacy next door will not help your scale-6 baldness. It's all just marketing. U can also try oral/topical things like minoxidil, which i can vouch for, this doesn't help the balding problem tho. It grows your hair faster, but it doesn't recover any lost hair follicles. Only hair transplant does this.I know this has been a long fk'n thread, this isn't a easy topic
Hope this helps at least a few people - Rep would be appriated
At least this didn't took me like 3 days to write
.PS - English is my fourth language, stop crying about fkn grammer
@turkcelfatcel @Micrognathic @Zagro
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