DHT vs Aromatase Inhibitor for Anti Estrogen

[Bundinkalegend]

If I'm applying a transdermal DHT concoction (which is anti estrogenic) + DHEA + Androsterone+ HCG along with 1-3 IU of hgh, will the anti androgenic properties of DHT and Androsterone be enough to keep growth plates open?

 

[Bundinkalegend]

I meant anti-estrogenic BTW

 

[mangacel]

obviously dont do this, taking dht will shutdown your test production

 

[mangacel]

just take the growth hormone by itself.

if you know you have high estrogen (you probably dont) you can take the ai but i would do just low doses

 

[Bundinkalegend]

just take the growth hormone by itself.

if you know you have high estrogen (you probably dont) you can take the ai but i would do just low doses

If you take HCG along with the DHT, shouldn't it be fine?

 

[Bundinkalegend]

I'm taking for masculinzation along with growth. 16 Btw

 

[elemanzelvadre]

dht doesnt lower ur estrogen faggot take ai

 

[sb23]

If I'm applying a transdermal DHT concoction (which is anti estrogenic) + DHEA + Androsterone+ HCG along with 1-3 IU of hgh, will the anti androgenic properties of DHT and Androsterone be enough to keep growth plates open?

hug with open growth plates . I admit im not read up on it to much but is it not super estrogenic?

 

[Bundinkalegend]

it has been shown to have anti estrogenic properties. (Basing this off the pubertymaxxing thread) https://looksmax.org/threads/the-ul...d-growth-factors-and-how-to-apply-them.97140/

 

[Bundinkalegend]

hug with open growth plates . I admit im not read up on it to much but is it not super estrogenic?

Yes, therefore the DHT and androsterone would counter the estrogen (would take AI if estrogen was high)

 

[sb23]

Yes, therefore the DHT and androsterone would counter the estrogen (would take AI if estrogen was high)

How tall are you?

 

[Bundinkalegend]

How tall are you?

177 cm

 

[sb23]

177 cm

You have been cordial with your responses. I will leave you with some information. In idiopathic short stature studies (being shorter than the mean of your parents by 5 inches without a known reason), estrogen is fully crushed to single digits. A standard dose for idiopathic short stature is 2.5mg letrzole everyday which is what I take. hCG increases estrogen by stimulating the corpus luteum to produce more estrogen. This means an ai won't prevent hCG's estrogenic properties completely.

 

[Bundinkalegend]

You have been cordial with your responses. I will leave you with some information. In idiopathic short stature studies (being shorter than the mean of your parents by 5 inches without a known reason), estrogen is fully crushed to single digits. A standard dose for idiopathic short stature is 2.5mg letrzole everyday which is what I take. hCG increases estrogen by stimulating the corpus luteum to produce more estrogen. This means an ai won't prevent hCG's estrogenic properties completely.

Thanks appreciate it. So a combination a combination of DHT (50mg of androstanolone powder E.D), Androsterone (10mg E.D) and letrozole (your dose) to lower estrogen, in combination with (HGH 1-3IU), could potentially lower estrogen to a level where growth plates remain open?

 

[Bundinkalegend]

Thanks appreciate it. So a combination a combination of DHT (50mg of androstanolone powder E.D), Androsterone (10mg E.D) and letrozole (your dose) to lower estrogen, in combination with (HGH 1-3IU), could potentially lower estrogen to a level where growth plates remain open?

The hgh would increase estrogen

 

[craven]

You have been cordial with your responses. I will leave you with some information. In idiopathic short stature studies (being shorter than the mean of your parents by 5 inches without a known reason), estrogen is fully crushed to single digits. A standard dose for idiopathic short stature is 2.5mg letrzole everyday which is what I take. hCG increases estrogen by stimulating the corpus luteum to produce more estrogen. This means an ai won't prevent hCG's estrogenic properties completely.

aromasin will since it doesnt stop e2 production but just shutdown the receptors

 

[Bundinkalegend]

aromasin will since it doesnt stop e2 production but just shutdown the receptors

So i should take aromasin instead?

 

[craven]

for your growth plates to stay open your e2 must be beetween 15-20 ng/l
dht reduce e2 to a healthy level but not enough to keep plates open
only way to know is start taking all your shit then do bloodwork and see if you need ai
take aromasin if so

 

[craven]

So i should take aromasin instead?

yes its better and easier to use

 

[sb23]

Thanks appreciate it. So a combination a combination of DHT (50mg of androstanolone powder E.D), Androsterone (10mg E.D) and letrozole (your dose) to lower estrogen, in combination with (HGH 1-3IU), could potentially lower estrogen to a level where growth plates remain open?

Yeah that sounds good. Btw I want to warn you that the letrzole, especially at such a high dose has negative effects on cardiology. Make sure you read up on it. I would check growth plates before everything tho. It's possible the hcg may have closed growth plates.

 

[Bundinkalegend]

for your growth plates to stay open your e2 must be beetween 15-20 ng/l
dht reduce e2 to a healthy level but not enough to keep plates open
only way to know is start taking all your shit then do bloodwork and see if you need ai
take aromasin if so

Yeah I'm starting as soon as i get my storage ready

 

[sb23]

aromasin will since it doesnt stop e2 production but just shutdown the receptors

wtf?? Did you just make that up? Give source.

 

[craven]

wtf?? Did you just make that up? Give source.

just do research of how aromasin works nigger
aromasin doest stop the enzyme that convert test into e2 but rather stop the e2 receptors
they will work normally once you stop aswell

 

[sb23]

So i should take aromasin instead?

Most commonly used in iss is letrzole and anastrozole. Ive taken both. Prefer letro and its more potent.

 

[sb23]

aromasin doest stop the enzyme that convert test into e2 but rather stop the e2 receptors
they will work normally once you stop aswell

except aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor meaning it inhibits the aromatase enzyme by definition . You are making things up. This isnt true.

 

[craven]

Most commonly used in iss is letrzole and anastrozole. Ive taken both. Prefer letro and its more potent.

he is already taking dht, he doesnt need a strong ai and aromasin is just better overall

 

[craven]

except aromasin is an aromatase inhibitor meaning it inhibits the aromatase enzyme by definition . You are making things up. This isnt true.

and you nigger cant do a fucking research
it inhibs e2 by making it useless by shuting down the receptors
its same thing as reducing e2
it inhibs e2 just not the same way faggot

 

[sb23]

it inhibs e2 by making it useless by shuting down the receptors

Give me a fucking source. I will not do research for a claim that you made. Thats not how debate works. I asked originally for a source in a polite manner and you didn't provide one.

 

[sb23]

he is already taking dht, he doesnt need a strong ai and aromasin is just better overall

why is aromasin 'overall better' id not see it used as frequently in iss. Is it not one of the weakest prescribed ai's out there? The goal is minimum estrogen possible. By this logic there is no reason not to take the most powerful ai's.

 

[Inosebreathonly]

just do research of how aromasin works nigger
aromasin doest stop the enzyme that convert test into e2 but rather stop the e2 receptors
they will work normally once you stop aswell

Your confusing tamoxifen and other serm's with ai's

 

[craven]

Your confusing tamoxifen and other serm's with ai's

Give me a fucking source. I will not do research for a claim that you made. Thats not how debate works. I asked originally for a source in a polite manner and you didn't provide one.

you know what
i hope you both fucking nigger get your moms raped by 6 fucking niggers
you disgusting annoying freak fucks
GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
HOPE YOU CRASH YOUR E2 AND END UP KILLING YOURSELF BTW

 

[mangacel]

dht doesnt lower ur estrogen faggot take ai

it does. dht itself will lower, but also taking extra dht will lower your test production, wich lowers your estrogen

 

[sb23]

you know what
i hope you both fucking nigger get your moms raped by 6 fucking niggers
you disgusting annoying freak fucks
GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
HOPE YOU CRASH YOUR E2 AND END UP KILLING YOURSELF BTW

Been at single digit for a year now. Grew 3 inches past what my endocrinologist and gastroenterologist predicted. Fuck you to.

 

[sb23]

Your confusing tamoxifen and other serm's with ai's

There are a few people on this forum who intentionally lie to make people worse off. I do it when people are rude to others on not well behaved. I wanted to give @craven the benefit of the doubt but kinda knew from the start.

 

[sb23]

There are a few people on this forum who intentionally lie to make people worse off. I do it when people are rude to others on not well behaved. I wanted to give @craven the benefit of the doubt but kinda knew from the start.

It's more fun to try and make him defend a position he doesn't believe.

 

[Inosebreathonly]

it has been shown to have anti estrogenic properties. (Basing this off the pubertymaxxing thread) https://looksmax.org/threads/the-ul...d-growth-factors-and-how-to-apply-them.97140/

I don't think it would directly lower e2 levels but rather compete for receptors

"Dihydrotestosterone competes with estradiol for binding to the cytosolic estrogen receptor of mouse breast"

There is no evidence of DHT supplementation directly reducing estradiol levels except the fact that it can shutdown endogenous testosterone and gonadotropin production and maybe naturally boosting DHT could reduce estrogen levels because it is non-aromatazible unlike testosterone

 

[elemanzelvadre]

it does. dht itself will lower, but also taking extra dht will lower your test production, wich lowers your estrogen

no it doesnt