Diuretics/stimulants are LOOKSMINS (my experience explained)

[chadjohnathan]

THE "DEBLOATING" EFFECT FROM FLUID EXCRETION IS TEMPORARY, AS YOU COMPENSATE WITH LONG-TERM HYPERALDOSTERONISM


I'M REFERRING TO LOOP DIURETICS AND THIAZIDES BTW.

I recently spent a few weeks on 200-400mg modafinil and 600mg caffeine in the hopes that it would increase my productivity and alertness. I was also taking 25mg HCTZ daily. Here's why you SHOULDN'T take these drugs:

• Extreme thirst from stimulants and increased fluid excretion from diuretics (also potentially the appetite supressing effects affecting sodium intake) can quickly cause low sodium levels/mild hyponatremia. This can cause facial edema/swelling. Extremely low sodium levels aren't some magic debloating phenomenon, because aldosterone compensates via RAAS.
• Eye area and skin quality descension comparable to Lasix-maxxing. This is caused by lack of extracellular fluid around the eyes and in the skin.
• Heachaches and jaw clenching. This was caused by the overuse of stimulants, causing masseters to tense and general headaches comparable to moderate migraines.
• Lack of sleep. Both overconsuming water from stimulants as well as excreting more of it cause frequent urination, which kept me up. The stimulants also contributed significantly to this, and for obvious reasons.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Consume diuretics and stimulants when you NEED them, not on a consistent basis. Potassium-sparing diuretics can be consumed on a regular basis (and should be if roiding).
Go to "Physiological Mechanisms of Dehydration" sections of:

Adult Dehydration - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[carpe diem]

THE "DEBLOATING" EFFECT FROM FLUID EXCRETION IS TEMPORARY, AS YOU COMPENSATE WITH LONG-TERM HYPERALDOSTERONISM


I'M REFERRING TO LOOP DIURETICS AND THIAZIDES BTW.

I recently spent a few weeks on 200-400mg modafinil and 600mg caffeine in the hopes that it would increase my productivity and alertness. I was also taking 25mg HCTZ daily. Here's why you SHOULDN'T take these drugs:

• Extreme thirst from stimulants and increased fluid excretion from diuretics (also potentially the appetite supressing effects affecting sodium intake) can quickly cause low sodium levels/mild hyponatremia. This can cause facial edema/swelling. Extremely low sodium levels aren't some magic debloating phenomenon, because aldosterone compensates via RAAS.
• Eye area and skin quality descension comparable to Lasix-maxxing. This is caused by lack of extracellular fluid around the eyes and in the skin.
• Heachaches and jaw clenching. This was caused by the overuse of stimulants, causing masseters to tense and general headaches comparable to moderate migraines.
• Lack of sleep. Both overconsuming water from stimulants as well as excreting more of it cause frequent urination, which kept me up. The stimulants also contributed significantly to this, and for obvious reasons.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Consume diuretics and stimulants when you NEED them, not on a consistent basis. Potassium-sparing diuretics can be consumed on a regular basis (and should be if roiding).
Go to "Physiological Mechanisms of Dehydration" sections of:

Adult Dehydration - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[FiendFiend]

THE "DEBLOATING" EFFECT FROM FLUID EXCRETION IS TEMPORARY, AS YOU COMPENSATE WITH LONG-TERM HYPERALDOSTERONISM


I'M REFERRING TO LOOP DIURETICS AND THIAZIDES BTW.

I recently spent a few weeks on 200-400mg modafinil and 600mg caffeine in the hopes that it would increase my productivity and alertness. I was also taking 25mg HCTZ daily. Here's why you SHOULDN'T take these drugs:

• Extreme thirst from stimulants and increased fluid excretion from diuretics (also potentially the appetite supressing effects affecting sodium intake) can quickly cause low sodium levels/mild hyponatremia. This can cause facial edema/swelling. Extremely low sodium levels aren't some magic debloating phenomenon, because aldosterone compensates via RAAS.
• Eye area and skin quality descension comparable to Lasix-maxxing. This is caused by lack of extracellular fluid around the eyes and in the skin.
• Heachaches and jaw clenching. This was caused by the overuse of stimulants, causing masseters to tense and general headaches comparable to moderate migraines.
• Lack of sleep. Both overconsuming water from stimulants as well as excreting more of it cause frequent urination, which kept me up. The stimulants also contributed significantly to this, and for obvious reasons.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Consume diuretics and stimulants when you NEED them, not on a consistent basis. Potassium-sparing diuretics can be consumed on a regular basis (and should be if roiding).
Go to "Physiological Mechanisms of Dehydration" sections of:

Adult Dehydration - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

"debloating" is cope from absolute weak retards, U literally need water retention for the gym.

What was mike mentzers entire theory? Cause as much water retention as possible so u can lift heavy and intensely. jfl i fucking cage my dick off when i see people say muh "im bloated on mk677 should i take potassium" retards dont get the whole POINT is to cause water retention so u can lift heavier.

Its not about looking your best everyday, ascending is a fucking journey over couple months it isnt popping a furosemide then mogging all of a sudden.

 

[negativ_canthalshit]

THE "DEBLOATING" EFFECT FROM FLUID EXCRETION IS TEMPORARY, AS YOU COMPENSATE WITH LONG-TERM HYPERALDOSTERONISM


I'M REFERRING TO LOOP DIURETICS AND THIAZIDES BTW.

I recently spent a few weeks on 200-400mg modafinil and 600mg caffeine in the hopes that it would increase my productivity and alertness. I was also taking 25mg HCTZ daily. Here's why you SHOULDN'T take these drugs:

• Extreme thirst from stimulants and increased fluid excretion from diuretics (also potentially the appetite supressing effects affecting sodium intake) can quickly cause low sodium levels/mild hyponatremia. This can cause facial edema/swelling. Extremely low sodium levels aren't some magic debloating phenomenon, because aldosterone compensates via RAAS.
• Eye area and skin quality descension comparable to Lasix-maxxing. This is caused by lack of extracellular fluid around the eyes and in the skin.
• Heachaches and jaw clenching. This was caused by the overuse of stimulants, causing masseters to tense and general headaches comparable to moderate migraines.
• Lack of sleep. Both overconsuming water from stimulants as well as excreting more of it cause frequent urination, which kept me up. The stimulants also contributed significantly to this, and for obvious reasons.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Consume diuretics and stimulants when you NEED them, not on a consistent basis. Potassium-sparing diuretics can be consumed on a regular basis (and should be if roiding).
Go to "Physiological Mechanisms of Dehydration" sections of:

Adult Dehydration - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

600mg caffiene is horrible please dont do this shit bro.

 

[negativ_canthalshit]

THE "DEBLOATING" EFFECT FROM FLUID EXCRETION IS TEMPORARY, AS YOU COMPENSATE WITH LONG-TERM HYPERALDOSTERONISM


I'M REFERRING TO LOOP DIURETICS AND THIAZIDES BTW.

I recently spent a few weeks on 200-400mg modafinil and 600mg caffeine in the hopes that it would increase my productivity and alertness. I was also taking 25mg HCTZ daily. Here's why you SHOULDN'T take these drugs:

• Extreme thirst from stimulants and increased fluid excretion from diuretics (also potentially the appetite supressing effects affecting sodium intake) can quickly cause low sodium levels/mild hyponatremia. This can cause facial edema/swelling. Extremely low sodium levels aren't some magic debloating phenomenon, because aldosterone compensates via RAAS.
• Eye area and skin quality descension comparable to Lasix-maxxing. This is caused by lack of extracellular fluid around the eyes and in the skin.
• Heachaches and jaw clenching. This was caused by the overuse of stimulants, causing masseters to tense and general headaches comparable to moderate migraines.
• Lack of sleep. Both overconsuming water from stimulants as well as excreting more of it cause frequent urination, which kept me up. The stimulants also contributed significantly to this, and for obvious reasons.

WHAT TO DO INSTEAD: Consume diuretics and stimulants when you NEED them, not on a consistent basis. Potassium-sparing diuretics can be consumed on a regular basis (and should be if roiding).
Go to "Physiological Mechanisms of Dehydration" sections of:

Adult Dehydration - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

every issue you labeled here isnt from diuretics but the fact that you took 600mg caffeine.

 

[idont]

"debloating" is cope from absolute weak retards, U literally need water retention for the gym.

What was mike mentzers entire theory? Cause as much water retention as possible so u can lift heavy and intensely. jfl i fucking cage my dick off when i see people say muh "im bloated on mk677 should i take potassium" retards dont get the whole POINT is to cause water retention so u can lift heavier.

Its not about looking your best everyday, ascending is a fucking journey over couple months it isnt popping a furosemide then mogging all of a sudden.

yeah i mean ur half right but

u still dont wanna be a bloatcel gymcel from this shit

also depends what ur on but alot of bloat for most people on here will be hormonal rather than water retention

 

[FiendFiend]

yeah i mean ur half right but

u still dont wanna be a bloatcel gymcel from this shit

also depends what ur on but alot of bloat for most people on here will be hormonal rather than water retention

jfl at bloatcel, u cant possibly "bloatcel", if ur low body fat % and ur a healthy weight even if u have a lot of water retention ur face will still look half decent even at a water retention maxxed state.

This gymcel "bloatcel" look isnt from water retention, its from fat being stored in their face usually from being too overweight for their height.

 

[idont]

jfl at bloatcel, u cant possibly "bloatcel", if ur low body fat % and ur a healthy weight even if u have a lot of water retention ur face will still look half decent even at a water retention maxxed state.

this is just completely untrue lmao

 

[chadjohnathan]

every issue you labeled here isnt from diuretics but the fact that you took 600mg caffeine.

the 600mg caffeine was a more long term thing. i noticed the difference after taking the other drugs. also adenosine receptor response is individual and tolerance based

 

[chadjohnathan]

jfl at bloatcel, u cant possibly "bloatcel", if ur low body fat % and ur a healthy weight even if u have a lot of water retention ur face will still look half decent even at a water retention maxxed state.

This gymcel "bloatcel" look isnt from water retention, its from fat being stored in their face usually from being too overweight for their height.

exactly. get to sub 10% body fat and maybe do some uc or fat dissolvers instead of damaging your kidneys with dangerous “debloating”

 

[negativ_canthalshit]

the 600mg caffeine was a more long term thing. i noticed the difference after taking the other drugs. also adenosine receptor response is individual and tolerance based

ah okay, 200mg is the limit a human should have in a day btw, 300mg is when heart attacks occur, please take vivanx or ritalin or some form of prescribed adhd medication because 600mg can legit just kill you randomly at any point like that is so unsafe dont do that.

 

[chadjohnathan]

this is just completely untrue lmao

i would say this is true given your sodium intake is consistent (not drastically low but not fluctuating)

 

[negativ_canthalshit]

exactly. get to sub 10% body fat and maybe do some uc or fat dissolvers instead of damaging your kidneys with dangerous “debloating”

idk when i chug 3l of water i look a little slimmer and not so chubby and thats perfectly safe tbh.

 

[FiendFiend]

exactly. get to sub 10% body fat and maybe do some uc or fat dissolvers instead of damaging your kidneys with dangerous “debloating”

water, i plan to get some aqualyx done soon. Im on mk677 for my cruise to maintain strength after my cycle without nuking my liver, i went up like 1-2 kilos extra of water weight, even then my face looks decent cuz im still actually fucking lean, and when u actually train hard a lot of the water moves out of ur face and doesnt just stay there.

I would only use furosemide or a diuetric if its for some very special event or some shit, like literally once every couple months.

 

[idont]

jfl at bloatcel, u cant possibly "bloatcel", if ur low body fat % and ur a healthy weight even if u have a lot of water retention ur face will still look half decent even at a water retention maxxed state.

This gymcel "bloatcel" look isnt from water retention, its from fat being stored in their face usually from being too overweight for their height.

i would say this is true given your sodium intake is consistent (not drastically low but not fluctuating)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33089925/ (study i used)

this study was done on 151 patients and were brought in testing when they subjectively felt puffier/less puffy (bloated/debloated)
I already know you're gonna say puffy/less puffy is a bad and subjective way to put it but they tie this to water retention in the study
and the water retention changed the perceived subcutaneous tissue in regions of their face

the study objectively quantified facial tissue properties and found significant increases in facial water content and skin thickness during the puffier state

151 patients reduces the influence outliers even if it subjective

In conclusion the study shows that water retention can alter the perceived thickness of subq tissue

 

[chadjohnathan]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33089925/ (study i used)
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this study was done on 151 patients and were brought in testing when they subjectively felt puffier/less puffy (bloated/debloated)
I already know you're gonna say puffy/less puffy is a bad and subjective way to put it but they tie this to water retention in the study
and the water retention changed the perceived subcutaneous tissue in regions of their face

the study objectively quantified facial tissue properties and found significant increases in facial water content and skin thickness during the puffier state

151 patients reduces the influence outliers even if it subjective

In conclusion the study shows that water retention can alter the perceived thickness of subq tissue
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This is very unrelated to my post. I read through the link, and it’s about whether self-perception of facial fluid aligns with professional measurements. Nothing to do with what I wrote about.

 

[idont]

This is very unrelated to my post. I read through the link, and it’s about whether self-perception of facial fluid aligns with professional measurements. Nothing to do with what I wrote about.

i was replying to the statement water retention doesnt correlate to/effect facial perceived leanness.

also u just dnrd my message dumbahh

 

[chadjohnathan]

i was replying to the statement water retention doesnt correlate to/effect facial perceived leanness.

also u just dnrd my message dumbahh

of course water retention correlates to perceived facial leanness. to argue against that would be stupid.

 

[idont]

jfl at your interpretation of my post. of course water retention correlates to perceived facial leanness. to argue against that would be stupid.

now re-read my post and respond again

i wasnt talking about YOUR original post

Gymcel final boss coping his ass off in which u replied to

i would say this is true given your sodium intake is consistent (not drastically low but not fluctuating)

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[chadjohnathan]

i wasnt talking about YOUR original post
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Gymcel final boss coping his ass off in which u replied to


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in that case I agree with you

 

[idont]

in that case I agree with you

thanks jigga now go back and rep my shit for goodness sake