DNP limited to muscle sparing

[JustMog_Brutal]

I currently have 300mg dnp and 3 hours of low intensity cardio and 1 hour weight lifting a day, this should theoretically make me lose 1.5lbs a day, but how much of it would be muscle?

Is there a limit to how much dnp can preserve muscle?

Is a 5500cal deficit too much to be just fat?

What is the limit/how much cardio do I do?

 

[Pharmascension]

I currently have 300mg dnp and 3 hours of low intensity cardio and 1 hour weight lifting a day, this should theoretically make me lose 1.5lbs a day, but how much of it would be muscle?

Is there a limit to how much dnp can preserve muscle?

Is a 5500cal deficit too much to be just fat?

What is the limit/how much cardio do I do?

a 5500 deficit has to be a joke.. 1000 max is even a little rough. if you are really worried about muscle sparing tho add in a glucacortocoid (tren obv) and paired with dnp you will hold on to a lot of muscle

 

[Pharmascension]

can you pm me the dnp source tho lmao

 

[JustMog_Brutal]

a 5500 deficit has to be a joke.. 1000 max is even a little rough. if you are really worried about muscle sparing tho add in a glucacortocoid (tren obv) and paired with dnp you will hold on to a lot of muscle

I did the math for 5500 deficit
2x multiplier to activity calories burned makes it 4000cals, %55 increase in basal metabolic rate makes 3500cals, eating 2000cals makes it 5500 deficit.

Im doing a test cycle after so idk if I should just ldar caring about muscle loss and rely on muscle memory plus roids to gain it back or if lowering the cardio will give me the same amount of fat loss.

 

[Pharmascension]

I did the math for 5500 deficit
2x multiplier to activity calories burned makes it 4000cals, %55 increase in basal metabolic rate makes 3500cals, eating 2000cals makes it 5500 deficit.

Im doing a test cycle after so idk if I should just ldar caring about muscle loss and rely on muscle memory plus roids to gain it back or if lowering the cardio will give me the same amount of fat loss.

id run dnp with the test and with tren minimum if you are going that steep in a deficit. without the roids you will come out of that a femboy

 

[Ergogenic]

I already answered this question in a similar post.

You will not lose skeletal muscle as long as you eat enough protein and you do bodybuilding style training to give your body a stimulus (a reason) to preserve skeletal muscle and you get enough sleep. Aim to eat at least 2.2 grams of protein per kilogram of non-fat mass / fat-free mass.

Example : Total body mass is 100 kilograms at 20 percent body fat. This means mass without fat (0 percent body fat) is 80 kilograms. Multiply 80 by 2.2 to get your protein requirements.

I will also add that your energy deficit is extreme, so you should probably eat more protein than what was stated. Maybe 3 grams of protein per kilogram of mass without fat.

 

[JustMog_Brutal]

id run dnp with the test and with tren minimum if you are going that steep in a deficit. without the roids you will come out of that a femboy

naw way too many factors if im doing it together, also dont want my first cycle to start on a cut, i wanna abuse my virgin androgen receptors with a bulk first cycle

 

[JustMog_Brutal]

I already answered this question in a similar post.

You will not lose skeletal muscle as long as you eat enough protein and you do bodybuilding style training to give your body a stimulus (a reason) to preserve skeletal muscle and you get enough sleep. Aim to eat at least 2.2 grams of protein per kilogram of non-fat mass / fat-free mass.

Example : Total body mass is 100 kilograms at 20 percent body fat. This means mass without fat (0 percent body fat) is 80 kilograms. Multiply 80 by 2.2 to get your protein requirements.

Doing that right now but isnt there still a physiological limit to how much fat can be released before resorting to muscle?

 

[Ergogenic]

Doing that right now but isnt there still a physiological limit to how much fat can be released before resorting to muscle?

That is a good question, but there is simply no reliable evidence for it. There is one study that attempts to answer this, but the study was flawed, and what really matters are results in the real world.

You just have to experiment and find out for yourself in this case. If you start losing a lot of strength and skeletal muscle, such as a 10 percent decrease from your start, you should stop taking 2,4-Dinitrophenol and attempt to carefully regain the lost skeletal muscle.

 

[JustMog_Brutal]

That is a good question, but there is simply no reliable evidence for it. There is one study that attempts to answer this, but the study was flawed, and what really matters are results in the real world.

You just have to experiment and find out for yourself in this case. If you start losing a lot of strength and skeletal muscle, such as a 10 percent decrease from your start, you should stop taking 2,4-Dinitrophenol and attempt to carefully regain the lost skeletal muscle.

Well after my first cycle my bench went down 40lbs, but that might be because I havent been doing heavy bench, everything else strength wise did come back after 2 weeks off dnp. Only difference is this time im in twice the deficit I did last time.

 

[Ergogenic]

Well after my first cycle my bench went down 40lbs, but that might be because I havent been doing heavy bench, everything else strength wise did come back after 2 weeks off dnp. Only difference is this time im in twice the deficit I did last time.

Keep in mind that strength and skeletal muscle mass are not completely linked. It also depends on your training style. This is why bodybuilders with big muscles can be weaker than strength athletes with smaller muscles.

You might also be doing too many sets. I only do 6 to 8 sets per muscle group per week with 20 repetitions per set or just high reps, but I take all my sets to brutal failure and beyond. It is advised to reduce number of sets in an energy deficit because building additional skeletal muscle in an energy deficit is much slower, and it might be impossible in extreme deficits like yours.

 

[JustMog_Brutal]

Keep in mind that strength and skeletal muscle mass are not completely linked. It also depends on your training style. This is why bodybuilders with big muscles can be weaker than strength athletes with smaller muscles.

You might also be doing too many sets. I only do 6 to 8 sets per muscle group per week with 20 repetitions per set or just high reps, but I take all my sets to brutal failure and beyond. It is advised to reduce number of sets in an energy deficit because building additional skeletal muscle in an energy deficit is much slower, and it might be impossible in extreme deficits like yours.

On dnp I lower to 12 sets per muscle per week and 6-8 reps each

 

[Ergogenic]

On dnp I lower to 12 sets per muscle per week and 6-8 reps each

6 to 8 repetitions is still in the hypertrophy focused range, so that is fine.

I actually used 400 milligrams of 2,4-Dinitrophenol in the past, but I had to stop using it because the side effects were too much for me. I remember having the worst muscle soreness ever after a gym training session with 2,4-Dinitrophenol in my system. My heart rate was way too high during the workout too.

The taste and smell of my 2,4-Dinitrophenol tablets was awful. I was gagging from how it felt on my tongue. It is a bitter and polluted smelling compound. The oxidative stress was just not worth it for me.

I hope you can manage the side effects. Drink LOTS of water (At least 4 or 5 litres daily), and consume plenty of vitamins and minerals.

 

[JustMog_Brutal]

6 to 8 repetitions is still in the hypertrophy focused range, so that is fine.

I actually used 400 milligrams of 2,4-Dinitrophenol in the past, but I had to stop using it because the side effects were too much for me. I remember having the worst muscle soreness ever after a gym training session with 2,4-Dinitrophenol in my system. My heart rate was way too high during the workout too.

The taste and smell of my 2,4-Dinitrophenol tablets was awful. I was gagging from how it felt on my tongue. It is a bitter and polluted smelling compound. The oxidative stress was just not worth it for me.

I hope you can manage the side effects. Drink LOTS of water (At least 4 or 5 litres daily), and consume plenty of vitamins and minerals.

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Yeah I did 400mg last month, sucked but worth it so im back on. I think smartest thing would be to do 90mins cardio instaid, lessens risk of muscle loss while only make me lose .3lbs less daily

 

[VisualPrime]

hey @Ergogenic you think i could get that DNP source i looked up SOMA DNP and it just come up with a website that sold cocaine and heroin​

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