do braces fuck up your face?

[Faxed]

I keep seeing people saying that braces made them recessed, fucked up their jaw and other shit like that.

Is this true? if it is why does that happen and how can i know if this will happen to me.

 

[midlatinocel]

I keep seeing people saying that braces made them recessed, fucked up their jaw and other shit like that.

Is this true? if it is why does that happen and how can i know if this will happen to me.

If you have an extraction based procedure yes but if you don't have any teeth extracted its great for teeth alignment

 

[FrenchChad]

If you have an extraction based procedure yes but if you don't have any teeth extracted its great for teeth alignment

Regardless of tooth extractions rubber bands can sometimes (all cases are different ofc) at worst making you more recessed at best preventing you from reaching your genetic potential in terms of forward growth.

 

[raminzer]

Regardless of tooth extractions rubber bands can sometimes (all cases are different ofc) at worst making you more recessed at best preventing you from reaching your genetic potential in terms of forward growth.

Exactly. stay away from overbite elastics and tooth extractions. But braces being bad/good depends on treatment and issues

I had an underbite and elastics were used to pull my maxilla forward and mandible back. I have normal proportions now, maxilla improved a bit, fixed teeth gap and straightened teeth. It ascended me but also weakened my jaw. Braces are a loss/gain and you have to carefully analyze what needs to be fixed and if it'll hinder or help you.

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

Regardless of tooth extractions rubber bands can sometimes (all cases are different ofc) at worst making you more recessed at best preventing you from reaching your genetic potential in terms of forward growth.

after 18 there isn t any more forward growth left, maybe a little

 

[FrenchChad]

after 18 there isn t any more forward growth left, maybe a little

The overwhelming majority of people who get braces get them either during childhood or teenage years, when maxillary sutures are not fused and bone are still malleable.
Obviously at 18 puberty is mostly done and it won't do much harm (although combined with bad habits such as mouthbreathing and depending on treatment rubber bands could just amplify the damages even at 18).

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

The overwhelming majority of people who get braces get them either during childhood or teenage years, when maxillary sutures are not fused and bone are still malleable.
Obviously at 18 puberty is mostly done and it won't do much harm (although combined with bad habits such as mouthbreathing and depending on treatment rubber bands could just amplify the damages even at 18).

I got braces at 16 and i still have them and if anything my forward growth was improved because the braces pushed my alveolar forward so it gives the illusion that i m more forward grown, I want to see what my elastics will do(started 3 weeks ago) to extrude my back teeth to fix my dental deep bite, what s ur opinion on this treatment?
They are placed on the first upper premolar to second lower premolar, she told me to put it on upper canine but i refused as i was afraid of retracting my alveola back

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

I got braces at 16 and i still have them and if anything my forward growth was improved because the braces pushed my alveolar forward so it gives the illusion that i m more forward grown, I want to see what my elastics will do(started 3 weeks ago) to extrude my back teeth to fix my dental deep bite, what s ur opinion on this treatment?
They are placed on the first upper premolar to second lower premolar, she told me to put it on upper canine but i refused as i was afraid of retracting my alveola back

Also I have coil springs to keep holes open(i have missing second premolars on upper since birth and wisdom teeth) so even if i wore them as a "retractive" elastics I dont think it would produce any regression since the coil springs are counterfourcing the elastics force

 

[Deleted member 28449]

What about rubber bands to correct crossbite? Just the "side teeth" (6,7) I'm in my 20s. I've been wearing them for months now and haven't noticed any difference.

 

[FrenchChad]

I got braces at 16 and i still have them and if anything my forward growth was improved because the braces pushed my alveolar forward so it gives the illusion that i m more forward grown, I want to see what my elastics will do(started 3 weeks ago) to extrude my back teeth to fix my dental deep bite, what s ur opinion on this treatment?
They are placed on the first upper premolar to second lower premolar, she told me to put it on upper canine but i refused as i was afraid of retracting my alveola back

Oh of course we imply the use of rubber bands and/or extractions (which would result in bone loss and possible recession) when we blame braces.
Braces by themselves without rubber bands or extractions won't do antything at a skeletal level without rubber bands or extractions, there is simply not enough force (it takes very little forces to move your teeths, much more are needed to move your bones and even then it highly depends on the angle and direction where the force is applied (for the work) etc).

That being said i would need pics but if i wa syou i wouldn't wear elastics, most of the time it's a tradeoff, depending on your occlusion either you will lose a little bit of maxillary projection in exchange with a little bit of mandibular projection or the other way around, although you can benefit aesthetically from it many users wouldn't have discovered this site if they didn't wore rubber bands.

Also if you are 18 as i said your maxillary sutures are fused, if you were 14 it would've been a whole lot different but at your age it won't cause as much harm at a skeletal level.

 

[FrenchChad]

What about rubber bands to correct crossbite? Just the "side teeth" (6,7) I'm in my 20s. I've been wearing them for months now and haven't noticed any difference.

You are not in a developmental stage, you don't have to worry much about it.
Once the sutures are fused (which is not the case during puberty when most people get braces) it takes a shit ton of forces to move the actual bone, as long as you have good habits (tongue and body posture; not mouthbreathing etc) that alone should prevent any recession at your age.

That being said rubber bands from crossbite cannot cause a signficant saggital movement of the maxilla, which could result in recession
Do you have something similar ?

If yes don't worry.

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

Oh of course we imply the use of rubber bands and/or extractions (which would result in bone loss and possible recession) when we blame braces.
Braces by themselves without rubber bands or extractions won't do antything at a skeletal level without rubber bands or extractions, there is simply not enough force (it takes very little forces to move your teeths, much more are needed to move your bones and even then it highly depends on the angle and direction where the force is applied (for the work) etc).

That being said i would need pics but if i wa syou i wouldn't wear elastics, most of the time it's a tradeoff, depending on your occlusion either you will lose a little bit of maxillary projection in exchange with a little bit of mandibular projection or the other way around, although you can benefit aesthetically from it many users wouldn't have discovered this site if they didn't wore rubber bands.

Also if you are 18 as i said your maxillary sutures are fused, if you were 14 it would've been a whole lot different but at your age it won't cause as much harm at a skeletal level.

I m 18 and my braces are not retractive. Here is a pic for reference how my elastics are now.

The redline is how i wear them now although my mandible is a bit setback
This guy had the same occlusion like I have now although his elastic pattern was like in the picture(not the redline) and I only see improved face honestly

Also a deep bite is more vertical problem than horizontal although I had class 2 div 2 proclining my incisors demasked my little overjet but it s nothing serious rather healthy. What do you think?

 

[FrenchChad]

I m 18 and my braces are not retractive. Here is a pic for reference how my elastics are now.

View attachment 2202323
The redline is how i wear them now although my mandible is a bit setback
This guy had the same occlusion like I have now although his elastic pattern was like in the picture(not the redline) and I only see improved face honestlyView attachment 2202330
Also a deep bite is more vertical problem than horizontal although I had class 2 div 2 proclining my incisors demasked my little overjet but it s nothing serious rather healthy. What do you think?

When elastics are attached like this the forces are exerted more on a vertical direction and less in a purely sagittal one, so imo it couldn't cause a significant recession, fortunately.

The dude did not gain any forward growth of his maxilla but neither he ended with recession because of the reason detailed above, also his palate seems to have widened which is always a significant looksmax.

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

I m 18 and my braces are not retractive. Here is a pic for reference how my elastics are now.

View attachment 2202323
The redline is how i wear them now although my mandible is a bit setback
This guy had the same occlusion like I have now although his elastic pattern was like in the picture(not the redline) and I only see improved face honestlyView attachment 2202330
Also a deep bite is more vertical problem than horizontal although I had class 2 div 2 proclining my incisors demasked my little overjet but it s nothing serious rather healthy. What do you think?

this is my jaw now

also keep in mind i let my mouth open "a bit" to mimic how my bite should be with taller back teeth also my midface seems flat because I wasnt born with 2 fucking premolars man brutal. Is it just in my mind that my midface looks flat or not? I d appreciate ur honesty, btw i m 20 bf% so i hope it wont misguide u or something.

 

[HalfGypsyMogger]

When elastics are attached like this the forces are exerted more on a vertical direction and less in a purely sagittal one, so imo it couldn't cause a significant recession, fortunately.

The dude did not gain any forward growth of his maxilla but neither he ended with recession because of the reason detailed above, also his palate seems to have widened which is always a significant looksmax.

The same happened with me, my palate was very narrow and the incisors were pointing inside the palate if u know what I mean, i speaked with my ortho told her everything that i want my holes of the missing premolars to be keep open so I ll put new implants of teeth there and she agreed also I told her to expand my palate with a bigger archwire, she also agreed and now when she told me to put a different elastic pattern i refused so she told me to put it the same way(vertically)

 

[Whatashame]

this is my jaw nowView attachment 2202343View attachment 2202346 also keep in mind i let my mouth open "a bit" to mimic how my bite should be with taller back teeth also my midface seems flat because I wasnt born with 2 fucking premolars man brutal. Is it just in my mind that my midface looks flat or not? I d appreciate ur honesty, btw i m 20 bf% so i hope it wont misguide u or something.

the truth is you are severely recessed