Do Safi or Sailer OVERADVANCE?

[Deleted member 19766]

Title, do either Safi or Sailer OVERADVANCE? Asking about them both because Safi was trained by Sailer. They both follow the "Sailer Line" principle established by Sailer, similar to the Coceancig Line.

Are these trustworthy blackpilled surgeons or are they butchers who go too far, like Alfaro and Coceancig?

 

[Deleted member 19957]

I mean look at some of their results, like you can't see if someone if over advanced or what? Yes they fucking do, i still remember the planning a guy posted on here, dude literally got a -10° occlusal to get that "ante face" meme.

 

[Mr Test]

Read here jfl

SAILER LINE: DOG OR MOG?

Will following the SAILER LINE turn you into a DOG, or will you MOG with your new forward growth?

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 19766]

I mean look at some of their results, like you can't see if someone if over advanced or what? Yes they fucking do, i still remember the planning a guy posted on here, dude literally got a -10° occlusal to get that "ante face" meme.

Can u link?

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

I mean look at some of their results, like you can't see if someone if over advanced or what? Yes they fucking do, i still remember the planning a guy posted on here, dude literally got a -10° occlusal to get that "ante face" meme.

True.

Safi wanted to go counter-clock wise on my slightly negative occlusal plane JFL.

 

[mogssssssssssssssss]

idk man

 

[T_T]

Coceancig is a butcher?

 

[Deleted member 33030]

This is what I am getting from Safi. Doesn’t seem over advanced to me even though it’s 13mm mandible jfl

 

[Deleted member 33030]

True.

Safi wanted to go counter-clock wise on my slightly negative occlusal plane JFL.

Proof?

 

[Deleted member 19766]

True.

Safi wanted to go counter-clock wise on my slightly negative occlusal plane JFL.

Wtf? Did he say why?

 

[Deleted member 33030]

Also who was the autist that accused Safi of ‘dogmaxxing’ and telling him that people ‘online’ don’t like he’s implant designs during your consults?

Cuz of that he’s not taking free consults anymore

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Wtf? Did he say why?

He said he wanted to give me the classic ante-face look.

 

[Deleted member 19957]

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This is what I am getting from Safi. Doesn’t seem over advanced to me even though it’s 13mm mandible jfl

Just get negative occlusal plane theory

 

[Deleted member 33030]

Just get negative occlusal plane theory

How the hell is that negative? That’s flat even in the pic where my head is slightly tilted up

 

[Deleted member 19957]

How the hell is that negative? That’s flat even in the pic where my head is slightly tilted up

JFL it doesn't looks flat at all

 

[Deleted member 33030]

That is fucking overadvanced

You replied twice lol

How much advancement would you suggest?

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Also who was the autist that accused Safi of ‘dogmaxxing’ and telling him that people ‘online’ don’t like he’s implant designs during your consults?

Cuz of that he’s not taking free consults anymore

Wtf? Did Safi tell you this?

He said he wanted to give me the classic ante-face look.

What is ur exact occlusal plane and what did he want to make it to?

 

[Deleted member 33030]

Wtf? Did Safi tell you this?


What is ur exact occlusal plane and what did he want to make it to?

ye he gave me a massive rant about his online haters aha

He’s a nice guy, even offered to refund 400 chf since my simulation didn’t work.

That’s why I never trust this place, they always talk crap about every surgeon. Jawsurgeryforums way better

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Wtf? Did Safi tell you this?


What is ur exact occlusal plane and what did he want to make it to?

Mine is like -1.5 or some shit. I'm going to get it close to zero w/ my bimax to keep a squar-ish aw. He wanted to go CCW although I am not sure by how much, but when he said that I decided not to move forward with him.

 

[Deleted member 33030]

JFL it doesn't looks flat at all

This is me atm. Is my occasional plane flat here?

 

[Deleted member 33030]

Mine is like -1.5 or some shit. I'm going to get it close to zero w/ my bimax to keep a squar-ish aw. He wanted to go CCW although I am not sure by how much, but when he said that I decided not to move forward with him.

Wait so you basically wasted 1+k CHF on planning?

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Wait so you basically wasted 1+k CHF on planning?

Nah this was a free consult. He is a friendly guy I'm not going to shit on him but not sure about his aesthetic vision.

 

[Deleted member 33030]

Nah this was a free consult. He is a friendly guy I'm not going to shit on him but not sure about his aesthetic vision.

He doesn’t make plans in free consults…

Are you sure he wasn’t just sharing rough ideas with you? I’m sure even for experienced surgeons, time is needed to make the best plan

 

[Deleted member 33030]

Safi even encouraged me to try and find a good surgeon in Australia, even asking why I didn’t choose conceancig since it would be long trip to Switzerland.

He makes it very clear that he makes enough money from rich Swiss mfs and doesn’t need to lure internationals (legit said this almost directly)

 

[Deleted member 19957]

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This is me atm. Is my occasional plane flat here?

Looks fucking flat to me, go run it into a ceph analysis software and compare it with your plan. JFL at living in Australia where Coceancig is, and flying all the way to switzerland to see safi.

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Looks fucking flat to me, go run it into a ceph analysis software and compare it with your plan. JFL at living in Australia where Coceancig is, and flying all the way to switzerland to see safi.

Coceancig is a crocodilemaxxer

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Coceancig is a crocodilemaxxer

Go to Coceancig and then go live among the saltwater crocs of North Australia.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

He doesn’t make plans in free consults…

Are you sure he wasn’t just sharing rough ideas with you? I’m sure even for experienced surgeons, time is needed to make the best plan

It was just directionally during our consult he had my scans and all that.

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Bump

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Bump

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Bump

 

[randomvanish]

so suddenly every surgeon creates dogmaxxxxxed faces?

 

[bradpittshairline]

Cope surgery

 

[Deleted member 19766]

so suddenly every surgeon creates dogmaxxxxxed faces?

Only like 4 surgeons

 

[randomvanish]

Only like 4 surgeons

only like ALL THE BEST SURGEONS??!!!

 

[Deleted member 19766]

only like ALL THE BEST SURGEONS??!!!

I don't necessarily think they dogmaxx that's why I made this thread

 

[randomvanish]

I don't necessarily think they dogmaxx that's why I made this thread

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Him after ignoring our warnings

Ur against Safi?