Do surgery or cope, life will not get better

[lurking truecel]

It will just get worse and worse and worse... There is no age when looks are not important. If you don't ascend you will be lonely and sad and empty untill the day you die litteraly. There is no escape, I mean ldar and NEETing works but it will lead you to commit suicide one day or another. And normal life will not be worth it unless you haven't truly swollen the blackpill and can go back to some normal delusion to make your body keep moving for some more years.

 

[alurmo]

ok

 

[lurking truecel]

ok

Hmm

 

[narcomogs]

ngl this is good to hear, because id still rather be +1 psl at 30 than never experience a better life experience. you only get 1 chance.

+ you can find some good looking roasties and the competition lookswise does get easier once all the bluepilled normies start balding and getting fat.

 

[lurking truecel]

ngl this is good to hear, because id still rather be +1 psl at 30 than never experience a better life experience. you only get 1 chance.

+ you can find some good looking roasties and the competition lookswise does get easier once all the bluepilled normies start balding and getting fat.

I agree it's def worth, because as you say. You got nothing to lose litteraly, this is the conscious experience we get and we know looks plays such an important part that every sacrifice for it is valid and good value

 

[narcomogs]

I agree it's def worth, because as you say. You got nothing to lose litteraly, this is the conscious experience we get and we know looks plays such an important part that every sacrifice for it is valid and good value

love meeting the random based user here. good luck with all you plan on!

 

[lurking truecel]

love meeting the random based user here. good luck with all you plan on!

Same man, wish you all the luck

 

[narcomogs]

Same man, wish you all the luck

im only 22, even if it takes 5 years to reach final form ( surgeries, softmax, and lifesetup ). i should still be able to get 18-24 year old foids

i am a relationship lover tho, i just want intimacy, fun dates and regular booty. as long as its based on raw physical attraction then i dont mind a lil betabux. money in that sense would be a boost, not a crutch.

do you want kids by any chance?

 

[noahwillascend]

Water looks maxxing is getting surgery, softmaxxing is cope and relies on your genetics. Most ascensions are just from people having good genetics.

 

[RapeAllFemales]

Water looks maxxing is getting surgery, softmaxxing is cope and relies on your genetics. Most ascensions are just from people having good genetics.

softmaxxing is far from cope, it is not just genetics because epigenetics also comes into play

ideal would be to do hardmaxx and softmaxxing at the top

 

[noahwillascend]

softmaxxing is far from cope, it is not just genetics because epigenetics also comes into play

ideal would be to do hardmaxx and softmaxxing at the top

sorry idk what Epi genetics are but seems like cope.
The only soft max you can do is get lean and fraud tbh

 

[RapeAllFemales]

Epigenetics is when you change the expression of your genes even though your DNA sequence is already written

you do it through diet, environment or gymcelling as you said

 

[narcomogs]

sorry idk what Epi genetics are but seems like cope.
The only soft max you can do is get lean and fraud tbh

frauding with things that are still natural mogs tho. clean stubble to highlight feautres, hair and skin and teeth as peak youth and health signalling etc.

as sub chad we need to be maxxing everything, and no matter how diminishing the returns are, the returns are still there. better that than rot. well not better, just what i prefer.

my preferred flavour of cope, if you will

 

[noahwillascend]

frauding with things that are still natural mogs tho. clean stubble to highlight feautres, hair and skin and teeth as peak youth and health signalling etc.

as sub chad we need to be maxxing everything, and no matter how diminishing the returns are, the returns are still there. better that than rot. well not better, just what i prefer.

my preferred flavour of cope, if you will

I fraud my mandibular angle by making sure my mouths open but lips Sealed, about a 4-5mm gap between teeth. Call it my natural resting position, whatever. I consider it frauding tbh. But i do it subconsciously now, and my toung now rests at the roof of my mouth when i do it. Thoughts, is this frauding to you?

 

[lestoa]

Good thread OP,

you sound like a ex incels.is user

 

[narcomogs]

I fraud my mandibular angle by making sure my mouths open but lips Sealed, about a 4-5mm gap between teeth. Call it my natural resting position, whatever. I consider it frauding tbh. But i do it subconsciously now, and my toung now rests at the roof of my mouth when i do it. Thoughts, is this frauding to you?

ooh this is a tough one, but if you rest it here, and it looks normal in motion and when you speak, then sure, fraud but natural. call it a looksboost.

i put it on a similar level to clothes for foids. no girls body is gonna look more visually appealing ( just shape wise ) naked, versus in slutty but fitting clothing. im a boobs guy, but they always look better in clothes than naked. looksboost

might give you issues later in life tho lol. i do the same thing but only for pictures. genio + jaw angles on the way so i can get it 24/7

 

[noahwillascend]

ooh this is a tough one, but if you rest it here, and it looks normal in motion and when you speak, then sure, fraud but natural. call it a looksboost.

i put it on a similar level to clothes for foids. no girls body is gonna look more visually appealing ( just shape wise ) naked, versus in slutty but fitting clothing. im a boobs guy, but they always look better in clothes than naked. looksboost

might give you issues later in life tho lol. i do the same thing but only for pictures. genio + jaw angles on the way so i can get it 24/7

Meh I mean it’s subconscious now, to rest it like that to boost hollow cheeks and lower third height. Natural for me now, so I assume I also do it in motion and talking.
The only time I wouldn’t is eating , obviously.

So sure, I’ll call it natural resting position which isn’t frauding hard, but a looks boost

 

[narcomogs]

Meh I mean it’s subconscious now, to rest it like that to boost hollow cheeks and lower third height. Natural for me now, so I assume I also do it in motion and talking.
The only time I wouldn’t is eating , obviously.

So sure, I’ll call it natural resting position which isn’t frauding hard, but a looks boost

i know a lot of guys who "naturally" have an active frontalis muscle and their brows are raised. but when they train themselves to relax it, they boost eye area by couple points. looksboost.

looksmax = ( softmax -> looksboost -> frauding -> hardmax ) in terms of ease of application

smv = ( looks -> frame/height -> life setup ) in terms of contribution

this life setup one is v important and i want to make a whole thread on it, but i'll talk about it a lil here and you lmk if its cope or not

ofc, preface by saying this only applies to normies. sub-5 and chad life different lives, just opposites.

a girl is always going to prefer coming back to a nice clean apartment, than a dirty dorm room. its not really betabuxxing seeing as its where you live, its things you would enjoy even without her presence.

just like a nice, clean modern car. fun hobbies that she could join in, eating out often etc. she should enjoy these things just by virtue of being in your presence. is this betabux, or life setup...

 

[noahwillascend]

i know a lot of guys who "naturally" have an active frontalis muscle and their brows are raised. but when they train themselves to relax it, they boost eye area by couple points. looksboost.

looksmax = ( softmax -> looksboost -> frauding -> hardmax ) in terms of ease of application

smv = ( looks -> frame/height -> life setup ) in terms of contribution

this life setup one is v important and i want to make a whole thread on it, but i'll talk about it a lil here and you lmk if its cope or not

ofc, preface by saying this only applies to normies. sub-5 and chad life different lives, just opposites.

a girl is always going to prefer coming back to a nice clean apartment, than a dirty dorm room. its not really betabuxxing seeing as its where you live, its things you would enjoy even without her presence.

just like a nice, clean modern car. fun hobbies that she could join in, eating out often etc. she should enjoy these things just by virtue of being in your presence. is this betabux, or life setup...

I mean in the first part that’s what I essentially do just in a different aspect. I make sure my mouth is open but lips sealed, boosts my harmony up quite a bit. So I will call it looksboost!

 

[noodlelover]

I can tell I'm ugly, but I can't tell what surgery I need. I stare at my face, and yep ugly, and it explains my life of rejection by women and being looked down upon.

Maybe I need to get lean first.

 

[narcomogs]

I mean in the first part that’s what I essentially do just in a different aspect. I make sure my mouth is open but lips sealed, boosts my harmony up quite a bit. So I will call it looksboost!

maybe i just havent looked around enough, but there should be a collection of little things like this you can do 24/7 to improve. i guess it would just come under frauding. squinting jutting etc. lemme do some searching

 

[narcomogs]

I can tell I'm ugly, but I can't tell what surgery I need. I stare at my face, and yep ugly, and it explains my life of rejection by women and being looked down upon.

Maybe I need to get lean first.

as a skinny guy all my life i can not relate to you fat fucking pigs. you are walking around with a layer of psl killing fat and you cant put down the fork

 

[noahwillascend]

maybe i just havent looked around enough, but there should be a collection of little things like this you can do 24/7 to improve. i guess it would just come under frauding. squinting jutting etc. lemme do some searching

I mean would squinting be classed as frauding? Or a looksboost?

 

[Lord Shadow]

The "get surgery or its over" psyop classic

 

[noodlelover]

as a skinny guy all my life i can not relate to you fat fucking pigs. you are walking around with a layer of psl killing fat and you cant put down the fork

Yah, it's why I've been reading all the studies and researching will power for the last couple weeks.

I have some things I'm going to try.

But I don't eat processed foods. Only drink water. Exercise all the time. Do tons of fasting, sometimes multiple weeks at a time. I'll count calories for as long as I can until my will power breaks.

All these things and I can't get below 13%, and every few years balloon back to 20% sadly.

It's like an incredible amount of hunger that makes it impossible to focus on anything, so work suffers, everything suffers when I'm on even a small cut, or even just maintaining my weight, anything less than gaining about 0.8 pounds a day and I'll be so hungry I can't focus on anything, or when I'm doing weeks long fasting.

It's kinda like a constant battle. I know after 2 years of maintaining a lower bodyweight, your body resets it's "set point" and it becomes easier to maintain.

But if my will power breaks at any point during those two years, and I eat until not hungry anymore, I will gain more than a pound a day, everyday, sometimes two pounds a day. So months or years of progress reverse in days or weeks.

 

[narcomogs]

I mean would squinting be classed as frauding? Or a looksboost?

frauding if its concious, looksboost if unconscious/habitual . i think that covers it

 

[noahwillascend]

frauding if its concious, looksboost if unconscious/habitual . i think that covers it

Ah got it, so mines sometimes conscious when I look in the mirror and remember and when I’m just out and about talking it’s habitual: I’ll I’ll just call it a looksboost t for peace of mind.
This is nice I always thought I was a massive fraud for doing this and not clenching

 

[narcomogs]

Yah, it's why I've been reading all the studies and researching will power for the last couple weeks.

I have some things I'm going to try.

But I don't eat processed foods. Only drink water. Exercise all the time. Do tons of fasting, sometimes multiple weeks at a time. I'll count calories for as long as I can until my will power breaks.

All these things and I can't get below 13%, and every few years balloon back to 20% sadly.

It's like an incredible amount of hunger that makes it impossible to focus on anything, so work suffers, everything suffers when I'm on even a small cut, or when I'm doing weeks long fasting.

It's kinda like a constant battle. I know after 2 years of maintaining a lower bodyweight, your body resets it's "set point" and it becomes easier to maintain.

But if my will power breaks at any point during those two years, and I eat until not hungry anymore, I will gain more than a pound a day, everyday, sometimes two pounds a day. So months or years of progress reverse in days or weeks.

damn what a struggle.

you should aim to eat AS MUCH food as you can, while remaining under your calories tho.

also debloat, be hairless.

 

[narcomogs]

Ah got it, so mines sometimes conscious when I look in the mirror and remember and when I’m just out and about talking it’s habitual: I’ll I’ll just call it a looksboost t for peace of mind.
This is nice I always thought I was a massive fraud for doing this and not clenching

looksboost is something we definitely just invented right now tho. fuck our autism

if you can do it while out and about and focused on other things, then its looksboost. if you are in the frauded state more often than the unfrauded, looksboost.

 

[wollet2]

yeah tell me how throwing away thousands and damaging ur health to gain 0.345 psl point in the eyes of indian virgins will improve ur dogshit life

 

[narcomogs]

damn imma be leaving greyceldom behind in 2024

 

[wollet2]

fucking lol at looksmaxxing'

 

[noahwillascend]

looksboost is something we definitely just invented right now tho. fuck our autism

if you can do it while out and about and focused on other things, then its looksboost. if you are in the frauded state more often than the unfrauded, looksboost.

Is it? I mean technically you’re right if it’s habitual then it’s not really frauding even tho you don’t look like that.
I mean with my case would you say it’s different, like that’s my natural mouth resting position now so technically not fraud? As people don’t go around clenching all the time.

 

[narcomogs]

Is it? I mean technically you’re right if it’s habitual then it’s not really frauding even tho you don’t look like that.
I mean with my case would you say it’s different, like that’s my natural mouth resting position now so technically not fraud? As people don’t go around clenching all the time.

yh it has become your new normal. during the switch you are frauding, now it is new normal its a looksboost. however if you were to change the structure of your face with a hardmax or something, then you have to return to original state for proper assessment. water

 

[noahwillascend]

yh it has become your new normal. during the switch you are frauding, now it is new normal its a looksboost. however if you were to change the structure of your face with a hardmax or something, then you have to return to original state for proper assessment. water

It’s not like major fraud all I’m doing is relaxing my lower third to gain harmony and make my cheekbones bigger. If I was like perma squiting everywhere and sucking in cheeks that’s fraud

 

[narcomogs]

It’s not like major fraud all I’m doing is relaxing my lower third to gain harmony and make my cheekbones bigger. If I was like perma squiting everywhere and sucking in cheeks that’s fraud

fraud, not fraud does it matter? fuck what .org dalits say, life is about frauding. surgery is fraud ffs. only full truth is if woman had dna scanners built into their eyes. we are just SIGNALLING desirable traits, whether we have them or not is pointless, the end result is the same.

a guy with a perfect jawline from trimax vs a natural perfect jawline is going to elicit the same hormonal response in a womans brain.

just like you with your mouth posture harmony boost, is going to get the same response as if you naturally had an equal harmony boost ygm?

and that is why we are very lucky to 1) live in a time with such good plastic surgery and 2) be here soaking up the information on how to go about it

 

[noahwillascend]

fraud, not fraud does it matter? fuck what .org dalits say, life is about frauding. surgery is fraud ffs. only full truth is if woman had dna scanners built into their eyes. we are just SIGNALLING desirable traits, whether we have them or not is pointless, the end result is the same.

a guy with a perfect jawline from trimax vs a natural perfect jawline is going to elicit the same hormonal response in a womans brain.

just like you with your mouth posture harmony boost, is going to get the same response as if you naturally had an equal harmony boost ygm?

and that is why we are very lucky to 1) live in a time with such good plastic surgery and 2) be here soaking up the information on how to go about it

Hm yeah very true and a very good answer I’m miring.
Life is all one big fraud tbh, from as simple as buying insta followers to status max to getting surgery. Every woman will react the same. Life is all about lying and frauding. Man even women do it to. They fraud harder than us.
I’m screen shorted this to look back to when I feel bad for ‘frauding’ again and not looking good clenched up.

 

[noahwillascend]

fraud, not fraud does it matter? fuck what .org dalits say, life is about frauding. surgery is fraud ffs. only full truth is if woman had dna scanners built into their eyes. we are just SIGNALLING desirable traits, whether we have them or not is pointless, the end result is the same.

a guy with a perfect jawline from trimax vs a natural perfect jawline is going to elicit the same hormonal response in a womans brain.

just like you with your mouth posture harmony boost, is going to get the same response as if you naturally had an equal harmony boost ygm?

and that is why we are very lucky to 1) live in a time with such good plastic surgery and 2) be here soaking up the information on how to go about it

I just struggle with not being perfect enough to not look good every time every angle even clench where most people look better as well. I just wanna be perfect .
Fraud it till you make it bro

 

[User28823]

i already know surgery wont make me truly happy, but it will make the suffering of life a bit better

 

[narcomogs]

Hm yeah very true and a very good answer I’m miring.
Life is all one big fraud tbh, from as simple as buying insta followers to status max to getting surgery. Every woman will react the same. Life is all about lying and frauding. Man even women do it to. They fraud harder than us.
I’m screen shorted this to look back to when I feel bad for ‘frauding’ again and not looking good clenched up.

man this gives me dopamine, im really starting to give back something to this forum

yh man, men are so far behind the curve of frauding. women are already 100x smv just from their gender, and yet they somehow have made it socially acceptable to paint on a +2 psl face everytime they go outside. fucking cagefuel.

another thing when a girl has makeup on moretimes than she is natural faced, she is judged on her makeup face as that is what most people see. bro even my oneitis jfl, i saw her unfrauded all the time, but if i go to her insta its full makeup fraud and i FORGET what she looks like without.

fruad till the top bhai

 

[narcomogs]

i already know surgery wont make me truly happy, but it will make the suffering of life a bit better

cope till you rope. pick ya poison and down it with a smile

 

[noahwillascend]

man this gives me dopamine, im really starting to give back something to this forum

yh man, men are so far behind the curve of frauding. women are already 100x smv just from their gender, and yet they somehow have made it socially acceptable to paint on a +2 psl face everytime they go outside. fucking cagefuel.

another thing when a girl has makeup on moretimes than she is natural faced, she is judged on her makeup face as that is what most people see. bro even my oneitis jfl, i saw her unfrauded all the time, but if i go to her insta its full makeup fraud and i FORGET what she looks like without.

fruad till the top bhai

Tbh there are worse ways I can fraud

man this gives me dopamine, im really starting to give back something to this forum

yh man, men are so far behind the curve of frauding. women are already 100x smv just from their gender, and yet they somehow have made it socially acceptable to paint on a +2 psl face everytime they go outside. fucking cagefuel.

another thing when a girl has makeup on moretimes than she is natural faced, she is judged on her makeup face as that is what most people see. bro even my oneitis jfl, i saw her unfrauded all the time, but if i go to her insta its full makeup fraud and i FORGET what she looks like without.

fruad till the top bhai

I just need to come to terms that I have to do a little adjustment to my face, a little fraud for some downward growth for an extreme harmony boost and looks max tbh. It’s worth it. I just loose my mind over it as I’m not perfect, and look significantly worse clenched up. I just need to accept that I look better relaxed and always will do until I can grow a beard or sum.

Or maybe it’s because I’m perma bloated who knows. But I mog harder relaxed, that’s all I know.
Maybe it’s not even fraudibg maybe it’s just my geniuene relaxed mouth position as your teeth aren’t supposed to touch relaxed, I just do it more mm than most (1-2mm and I do 3-3mm)

Is it even fraud I do it subconsciously? Who knows. Just got to accept it

 

[narcomogs]

Tbh there are worse ways I can fraud

I just need to come to terms that I have to do a little adjustment to my face, a little fraud for some downward growth for an extreme harmony boost and looks max tbh. It’s worth it. I just loose my mind over it as I’m not perfect, and look significantly worse clenched up. I just need to accept that I look better relaxed and always will do until I can grow a beard or sum.

Or maybe it’s because I’m perma bloated who knows. But I mog harder relaxed, that’s all I know.
Maybe it’s not even fraudibg maybe it’s just my geniuene relaxed mouth position as your teeth aren’t supposed to touch relaxed, I just do it more mm than most (1-2mm and I do 3-3mm)

Is it even fraud I do it subconsciously? Who knows. Just got to accept it

some people have open bite, but i dont think thats what you mean. with a beard, stubble > cleanshaven > full. even with perfect jawline. however this is also niche specific. as a rather neotonous black guy i need beard even after genio. in fact now that i think about it, i might be able to save some money and just accept the beard fraud. will have to grow it and see.

whether its fraud or not is all in your mind, if the results are the same. i wonder how these foids feel when they see their faces descend at the end of the day. dont think they care

 

[noahwillascend]

some people have open bite, but i dont think thats what you mean. with a beard, stubble > cleanshaven > full. even with perfect jawline. however this is also niche specific. as a rather neotonous black guy i need beard even after genio. in fact now that i think about it, i might be able to save some money and just accept the beard fraud. will have to grow it and see.

whether its fraud or not is all in your mind, if the results are the same. i wonder how these foids feel when they see their faces descend at the end of the day. dont think they care

Yeah and my mind is my worst enemy. I have bad BDD cos of this site. And the end point is super valid. I couldn’t stand my face dropping like 2 psl points simply due to wiping off makeup. I’d feel like an absolute fraud all the time and here I am loosing my marbles over just relaxing my jaw. Wow, that’s put it into perspective lol. Imagine every day each day you descend and you only look good artificially. Jesus.

this is what I mean btw , you can tell I’m sub human clench from the side no need to show the front

 

[narcomogs]

Yeah and my mind is my worst enemy. I have bad BDD cos of this site. And the end point is super valid. I couldn’t stand my face dropping like 2 psl points simply due to wiping off makeup. I’d feel like an absolute fraud all the time and here I am loosing my marbles over just relaxing my jaw. Wow, that’s put it into perspective lol. Imagine every day each day you descend and you only look good artificially. Jesus.

this is what I mean btw , you can tell I’m sub human clench from the side no need to show the front
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fuck i really see what you mean. crazy how much of a difference mm of bone can make. i guess this is an entire lower third height thing, but yh bro it literally takes you from low class to high class.

keep doing it ngl, i think in motion it wont be noticeable, you have good visibility and projection. ratios are harder to discern in motion.

 

[narcomogs]

Yeah and my mind is my worst enemy. I have bad BDD cos of this site. And the end point is super valid. I couldn’t stand my face dropping like 2 psl points simply due to wiping off makeup. I’d feel like an absolute fraud all the time and here I am loosing my marbles over just relaxing my jaw. Wow, that’s put it into perspective lol. Imagine every day each day you descend and you only look good artificially. Jesus.

this is what I mean btw , you can tell I’m sub human clench from the side no need to show the front
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ykw, its your gonial angle being too low rare failo fr. maybe chin wing or vertical genio. but the difference is so mild, idk if any surgeon would even agree to it. you would need like 3mm at most

 

[narcomogs]

Yeah and my mind is my worst enemy. I have bad BDD cos of this site. And the end point is super valid. I couldn’t stand my face dropping like 2 psl points simply due to wiping off makeup. I’d feel like an absolute fraud all the time and here I am loosing my marbles over just relaxing my jaw. Wow, that’s put it into perspective lol. Imagine every day each day you descend and you only look good artificially. Jesus.

this is what I mean btw , you can tell I’m sub human clench from the side no need to show the front
View attachment 3387384

what is your philtrum to chin ratio from the front when closed mouth? this will determine everything tbh

 

[noahwillascend]

ykw, its your gonial angle being too low rare failo fr. maybe chin wing or vertical genio. but the difference is so mild, idk if any surgeon would even agree to it. you would need like 3mm at most

Yeah my gonial angle is around 105-110 when it’s relaxed I think and it’s literally like what 3mm of height and it’s crazy what a difference it makes trust me.
Also my mandibular angle is like 8-10 degrees lmao it’s so flat, this is why I fraud it.
I need it though

 

[noahwillascend]

what is your philtrum to chin ratio from the front when closed mouth? this will determine everything tbh

Any ideas ?

 

[noahwillascend]

ykw, its your gonial angle being too low rare failo fr. maybe chin wing or vertical genio. but the difference is so mild, idk if any surgeon would even agree to it. you would need like 3mm at most

The difference is mild but so noticeable