Does anyone here knows how to make money with Crypto?

[rolex]

I want to start in making money with crypto, what should i do?

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Buy crypto

 

[midlatinocel]

 

[schitzowarrior40]

Ur never gonna get rich from crypto nowadays.
U can stake, trade or HODL long term but you have to understand that the whole market it made to rape new investors

 

[orangomango2003]

crypto is gambling. if something bad happens to the world economy you may lose a lot of money in crypto while the loss is managable in fiat currency. it's not worth it to invest in crypto because the risk is high.

the only safe crypto is bitcoin even though it crashed from 55k to 15k. it's very unlikely that crypto like bitcoin is going to get worth more than this because it's already known worldwide (no hype) and won't get adopted by any major governments. it's more likely that governments like the EU will adopt their own digital currency.

 

[Sub0]

Just buy these three tokens and $BTC and forget about it for 5-6 years, trading by far is the hardest way to make money consistently, crypto isn't gambling if you're buying tokens with real world use cases.

Quant network $QNT

Render $RNDR (nvidia of crypto world)

$Flux (partner ship with Nvidia and one of the best AI cloud computing solutions)

And the king $BTC

You can do your own research on them but $qnt and $rndr are top 50 crypto, which makes them blue chip, $flux is very undervalued right now and deserves to be in top 70

 

[Deleted member 27729]

No

 

[rolex]

Just buy these three tokens and $BTC and forget about it for 5-6 years, trading by far is the hardest way to make money consistently, crypto isn't gambling if you're buying tokens with real world use cases.

Quant network $QNT

Render $RNDR (nvidia of crypto world)

$Flux (partner ship with Nvidia and one of the best AI cloud computing solutions)

And the king $BTC

You can do your own research on them but $qnt and $rndr are top 50 crypto, which makes them blue chip, $flux is very undervalued right now and deserves to be in top 70

Thank you, how much do you think they'll get in value?

 

[Sub0]

Thank you, how much do you think they'll get in value?

Bull markets can be crazy af but if I have to make a conservative guess then $15 for $rndr is a very realistic target and $800-900 for $Qnt, $flux can reach $3 and Btc over $300K by 2028 is my guess, don't be surprised if everything is more than double

 

[Gonthar]

Buy crypto when the price is low, sell it when it's high...

 

[Alexanderr]

I want to start in making money with crypto, what should i do?

Research, read books, watch podcasts whatever. You need to have a baselevel of knowledge before you'll be able to ask useful questions.

 

[rolex]

Research, read books, watch podcasts whatever. You need to have a baselevel of knowledge before you'll be able to ask useful questions.

Do you have some knowledge about crypto?

If so, what do you recommend me to learn?

 

[looksmaxxed]

the key is to get in before everyone else. you failed step one. it's over

 

[uzi]

crypto is gambling. if something bad happens to the world economy you may lose a lot of money in crypto while the loss is managable in fiat currency. it's not worth it to invest in crypto because the risk is high.

You are genuinely retarded, what the fuck do you mean "the loss is manageable in fiat currency"?? Just from your "fiat currency" line I can tell you have billions of extra chromosomes flowing through your veins. Risk management exists across fiat worlds and crypto worlds, they both are often tied to macroeconomic conditions, so both pose a lot of risk; it isn't intrinsic to either one.

 

[Deleted member 29167]

crypto is a ponzi scheme cope if ur "investing"

its a good alternative to fiat if ur actually buying shit with it, like using monero to buy drugs on the darknet.

the people who make money on crypto are the ones who are early, the money you make is taken from new "investors" pockets.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Buy  bitcoin

And than hodl.
Sell at times, of mania.
And buy back, in times of dump, fear, panic

 

[orangomango2003]

You are genuinely retarded, what the fuck do you mean "the loss is manageable in fiat currency"?? Just from your "fiat currency" line I can tell you have billions of extra chromosomes flowing through your veins. Risk management exists across fiat worlds and crypto worlds, they both are often tied to macroeconomic conditions, so both pose a lot of risk; it isn't intrinsic to either one.

you must be 14 if you don't understand. holding your money in crypto is way more risky than holding your money in euro/dollar. i never said fiat money has no risk, but compared to it crypto is basically gambling. everything in life could be considered a risk but in crypto your money isn't protected and a single tweet can pump or dump the price significantly.

crypto can only be worth more if it gets more hype and/or gets adopted by a big company or major government, but it can also lose value in a lot of ways. for example when FTX collapsed and bitcoin lost 20% of it's value and then i'm just talking about the so called stable crypto (other crypto coins had an even bigger crash). just one company can crash bitcoin because the price is controlled by investors (which is risky for you).

fiat currency is much more stable than crypto, but i suggest investing in gold since it's not as much affected by an economic crisis like covid-19.

 

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[uzi]

you must be 14 if you don't understand. holding your money in crypto is way more risky than holding your money in euro/dollar. i never said fiat money has no risk, but compared to it crypto is basically gambling. everything in life could be considered a risk but in crypto your money isn't protected and a single tweet can pump or dump the price significantly.

crypto can only be worth more if it gets more hype and/or gets adopted by a big company or major government, but it can also lose value in a lot of ways. for example when FTX collapsed and bitcoin lost 20% of it's value and then i'm just talking about the so called stable crypto (other crypto coins had an even bigger crash). just one company can crash bitcoin because the price is controlled by investors (which is risky for you).

fiat currency is much more stable than crypto, but i suggest investing in gold since it's not as much affected by an economic crisis like covid-19.

that isn't what you claimed at all you genuine retard. No one disputed the fact that holding crypto is riskier, You claimed risks were "more manageable" for fiat currencies(by the way, this is how I know you are fucking retarded. you're trying to refer to traditional financial markets but somehow thought that fiat currencies was an equivalent term), which is just wrong, the same techniques to manage risk are identical in crypto markets. There isn't a better way to manage loss in crypto vs fiat markets. You were comparing currencies like the ape you are. Crypto is a general term, there are millions of different currencies all backed on different fundamentals. Bitcoin is not a stable crypto, and it's fucking hilarious you confidently typed that out. Fiat currencies are not supposed to be compared to crypto as a whole, because again retard, "crypto" entails thousands of different currencies with different fundamentals. Your final comment solidifies how autistic you are. Gold is literally affected by economic crises, as in it is worth more as an investment during higher inflationary periods, because by definition, it's a hedge to inflation and consequently the US dollar. Long term, gold is a worse investment than the s&p500, which is also a shitty investment when adjusted by inflation.

I have to applaud you, you are by far the most retarded person I've seen on this site.

 

[orangomango2003]

that isn't what you claimed at all you genuine retard. No one disputed the fact that holding crypto is riskier, You claimed risks were "more manageable" for fiat currencies(by the way, this is how I know you are fucking retarded. you're trying to refer to traditional financial markets but somehow thought that fiat currencies was an equivalent term), which is just wrong, the same techniques to manage risk are identical in crypto markets. There isn't a better way to manage loss in crypto vs fiat markets. You were comparing currencies like the ape you are. Crypto is a general term, there are millions of different currencies all backed on different fundamentals. Bitcoin is not a stable crypto, and it's fucking hilarious you confidently typed that out. Fiat currencies are not supposed to be compared to crypto as a whole, because again retard, "crypto" entails thousands of different currencies with different fundamentals. Your final comment solidifies how autistic you are. Gold is literally affected by economic crises, as in it is worth more as an investment during higher inflationary periods, because by definition, it's a hedge to inflation and consequently the US dollar. Long term, gold is a worse investment than the s&p500, which is also a shitty investment when adjusted by inflation.

I have to applaud you, you are by far the most retarded person I've seen on this site.

cool story but you're still clueless. i can tell from your usage of vulgar language that you're frustrated which is understandable because you simply don't understand it. You didn't invalidate any of my statements and i don't care about winning an argument, since i write this purely to prevent young people from making bad decisions with their money. I hope you can comprehend that maybe you are in the wrong here.

i can compare crypto to fiat because that's what all reasonable investors do (i'm comparing factors like: Risk and Volatility, Potential Returns, Market Dynamics and Accessibility, Regulatory Environment, Portfolio Diversification etc). you're probably to uninformed to know what i'm talking about or understand it. you also misunderstood some of the things i said. if you earn money and store it in your bank account which is in a fiat currency you invest in fiat. I'm making the economic comparison between holding your wealth in fiat vs holding your wealth in crypto. In this comparison i've concluded that crypto is a not a viable investment. That doesn't mean that fiat currency is a viable investment, however it is a more viable investment than crypto. On the other hand gold is a better way to preserve your wealth in times of economic crisis. I really do hope that you're not investing in crypto. I've been studying economics and investing for multiple years in uni now and i simply can't believe how many people still fall for crypto in 2023. I understand that crypto can be used to buy illegal products and i use it for this purpose as well, but investing and actually holding crypto is a very risky investment.

the point of the post from OP is about making money with crypto so i will give advise on why crypto is a bad investment. i'm comparing the risk of investment between crypto and fiat. i'm not comparing the currencies itself. it's ignorant to assume you can't compare the two because they are both things you can invest in. that concept seems pretty simple but to you it isn't.

I use the term crypto as a currency because it's an umbrella term for all currencies that operate using decentralized networks. crypto investments are not very different from eachother regarding risk and profit when you're looking at it from a bigger scale. you can compare crypto to fiat because of the difference in risk regarding the two. Of course there are very risky cryptocurrencies and less but still risky cryptocurrencies but they are on a different magnitude compared to the US dollar, Euro or British Pound.
("the term "crypto" is often used as an umbrella term to refer to various cryptocurrencies or digital currencies that use cryptographic techniques to secure transactions and control the creation of new units. It encompasses a wide range of digital assets that operate on decentralized networks, typically based on blockchain or other distributed ledger technologies.")

I didn't expect you to say that gold is a bad long term investment, because as inflation erodes the value of fiat currencies, investors often turn to assets like gold as a hedge against inflation. Gold is a very safe investment, while currencies like Bitcoin or Ethereum crash frequently. I think the safest way to preserve your wealth is to invest in Gold.

Gold is generally considered a more stable and less volatile investment compared to cryptocurrencies. Gold has a long history as a store of value and has been recognized as a safe-haven asset during times of economic uncertainty. Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, are known for their volatility, with prices that can experience significant fluctuations within short periods. Gold is a tangible asset that has been valued for thousands of years. It has inherent value due to its industrial uses, scarcity, and cultural significance. Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, are digital assets and do not possess physical form or intrinsic value. Their value is derived from factors such as market demand, utility, and adoption.

Gold is a widely recognized and accepted asset globally. It can be easily bought, sold, and traded through various channels, such as bullion dealers, jewelry stores, and commodity exchanges. Cryptocurrencies can also be accessed and traded, but the level of acceptance and liquidity may vary depending on the specific cryptocurrency and the availability of exchanges or platforms. Gold is subject to regulations and oversight by governments and financial authorities, particularly in terms of its mining, trading, and taxation. Cryptocurrencies, being decentralized and operating outside traditional financial systems, are subject to different levels of regulation and oversight depending on the country. Regulations can impact the use, acceptance, and trading of cryptocurrencies.

Both gold and cryptocurrencies carry their own risks. Gold can be susceptible to factors such as price manipulation, theft, and counterfeiting. Cryptocurrencies, while utilizing cryptographic security measures, can be exposed to risks such as hacking, scams, and technological vulnerabilities.

I never said Gold is a better investment than s&p500 so it's foolish for you to assume that. If you're still holding crypto I advise you to take your losses and invest your wealth in Gold/s&p500/Fiat.

 

[uzi]

cool story but you're still clueless. i can tell from your usage of vulgar language that you're frustrated which is understandable because you simply don't understand it. You didn't invalidate any of my statements and i don't care about winning an argument, since i write this purely to prevent young people from making bad decisions with their money. I hope you can comprehend that maybe you are in the wrong here.

i can compare crypto to fiat because that's what all reasonable investors do (i'm comparing factors like: Risk and Volatility, Potential Returns, Market Dynamics and Accessibility, Regulatory Environment, Portfolio Diversification etc). you're probably to uninformed to know what i'm talking about or understand it. you also misunderstood some of the things i said. if you earn money and store it in your bank account which is in a fiat currency you invest in fiat. I'm making the economic comparison between holding your wealth in fiat vs holding your wealth in crypto. In this comparison i've concluded that crypto is a not a viable investment. That doesn't mean that fiat currency is a viable investment, however it is a more viable investment than crypto. On the other hand gold is a better way to preserve your wealth in times of economic crisis. I really do hope that you're not investing in crypto. I've been studying economics and investing for multiple years in uni now and i simply can't believe how many people still fall for crypto in 2023. I understand that crypto can be used to buy illegal products and i use it for this purpose as well, but investing and actually holding crypto is a very risky investment.

the point of the post from OP is about making money with crypto so i will give advise on why crypto is a bad investment. i'm comparing the risk of investment between crypto and fiat. i'm not comparing the currencies itself. it's ignorant to assume you can't compare the two because they are both things you can invest in. that concept seems pretty simple but to you it isn't.

I use the term crypto as a currency because it's an umbrella term for all currencies that operate using decentralized networks. crypto investments are not very different from eachother regarding risk and profit when you're looking at it from a bigger scale. you can compare crypto to fiat because of the difference in risk regarding the two. Of course there are very risky cryptocurrencies and less but still risky cryptocurrencies but they are on a different magnitude compared to the US dollar, Euro or British Pound.
("the term "crypto" is often used as an umbrella term to refer to various cryptocurrencies or digital currencies that use cryptographic techniques to secure transactions and control the creation of new units. It encompasses a wide range of digital assets that operate on decentralized networks, typically based on blockchain or other distributed ledger technologies.")

I didn't expect you to say that gold is a bad long term investment, because as inflation erodes the value of fiat currencies, investors often turn to assets like gold as a hedge against inflation. Gold is a very safe investment, while currencies like Bitcoin or Ethereum crash frequently. I think the safest way to preserve your wealth is to invest in Gold.

Gold is generally considered a more stable and less volatile investment compared to cryptocurrencies. Gold has a long history as a store of value and has been recognized as a safe-haven asset during times of economic uncertainty. Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, are known for their volatility, with prices that can experience significant fluctuations within short periods. Gold is a tangible asset that has been valued for thousands of years. It has inherent value due to its industrial uses, scarcity, and cultural significance. Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, are digital assets and do not possess physical form or intrinsic value. Their value is derived from factors such as market demand, utility, and adoption.

Gold is a widely recognized and accepted asset globally. It can be easily bought, sold, and traded through various channels, such as bullion dealers, jewelry stores, and commodity exchanges. Cryptocurrencies can also be accessed and traded, but the level of acceptance and liquidity may vary depending on the specific cryptocurrency and the availability of exchanges or platforms. Gold is subject to regulations and oversight by governments and financial authorities, particularly in terms of its mining, trading, and taxation. Cryptocurrencies, being decentralized and operating outside traditional financial systems, are subject to different levels of regulation and oversight depending on the country. Regulations can impact the use, acceptance, and trading of cryptocurrencies.

Both gold and cryptocurrencies carry their own risks. Gold can be susceptible to factors such as price manipulation, theft, and counterfeiting. Cryptocurrencies, while utilizing cryptographic security measures, can be exposed to risks such as hacking, scams, and technological vulnerabilities.

I never said Gold is a better investment than s&p500 so it's foolish for you to assume that. If you're still holding crypto I advise you to take your losses and invest your wealth in Gold/s&p500/Fiat.

"Vulgar Language"- do you know what forum you're on retard? If someone is retarded, I'm going to tell them that lol.

I hope you can comprehend that maybe you are in the wrong here.

From your claims on Bitcoin stability, to claiming that there's no such thing as risk management in crypto, to not even understanding what Fiat means, there isn't a single thing you said that was correct in any way.

Every single statement you made is what's filled in your head: dogshit. Again, you explicitly mentioned fiat currencies, which don't have variables like

Risk and Volatility, Potential Returns, Market Dynamics and Accessibility, Regulatory Environment, Portfolio Diversification etc

, which was my point; you are clueless.

advise on why crypto is a bad investment. i'm comparing the risk of investment between crypto and fiat. i'm not comparing the currencies itself. it's ignorant to assume you can't compare the two because they are both things you can invest in. that concept seems pretty simple but to you it isn't.

Your reasoning as to why crypto is a bad investment is terrible, and shows a lack of understanding in both traditional and crypto markets.

I didn't expect you to say that gold is a bad long term investment, because as inflation erodes the value of fiat currencies, investors often turn to assets like gold as a hedge against inflation.

Inflation doesn't erode the value of fiat currencies you fucking ape, it erodes the purchasing power. It was clear that there are far better long-term alternatives to hold other than gold if you're worrying about investment performance because again, gold is only beneficial in inflationary periods.

Gold is generally considered a more stable and less volatile investment compared to cryptocurrencies.

Do you understand that there are cryptos that are pegged to the value of gold, oil futures, water futures right?? That is why you can't use crypto as an umbrella term as I said, because they're all based on different fundamentals.

Gold has a long history as a store of value and has been recognized as a safe-haven asset during times of economic uncertainty.

Again, that's the point, not a good investment compared to other alternatives. Don't try to backtrack your autism lol.

Gold is a widely recognized and accepted asset globally.

Hmm...guess what gold is traded in?? US dollars.

Cryptocurrencies, being decentralized and operating outside traditional financial systems, are subject to different levels of regulation and oversight depending on the country. Regulations can impact the use, acceptance, and trading of cryptocurrencies.

Just like any asset, regulations affect speculations. I won't even call this a dumb point, because there isn't even a point here.

Both gold and cryptocurrencies carry their own risks. Gold can be susceptible to factors such as price manipulation, theft, and counterfeiting. Cryptocurrencies, while utilizing cryptographic security measures, can be exposed to risks such as hacking, scams, and technological vulnerabilities.

Did you take a quick crack break before typing this out?

Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, are digital assets and do not possess physical form or intrinsic value. Their value is derived from factors such as market demand, utility, and adoption.

Those are intrinsic values, fucking ape. Again, this is why you shouldn't use crypto as an umbrella term, there are cryptocurrencies directly pegged to physical sources of value.

I never said Gold is a better investment than s&p500 so it's foolish for you to assume that. If you're still holding crypto I advise you to take your losses and invest your wealth in Gold/s&p500/Fiat.

Ah yes, I sure do living investing in "Fiat". Again, showcasing your incompetence.

Your comments gave me a good laugh, but now it's sort of becoming a waste of time. There are thousands of crypto quant funds, hedge funds, that are doing the very things you claimed were impossible in crypto markets. Every major fund has crypto movements, and have reaped the benefits.

I will pray they come up for a cure for down syndrome, for the recipients of your financial choices.

 

[Jhon Smith]

I make money from stocks and options

 

[orangomango2003]

"Vulgar Language"- do you know what forum you're on retard? If someone is retarded, I'm going to tell them that lol.


From your claims on Bitcoin stability, to claiming that there's no such thing as risk management in crypto, to not even understanding what Fiat means, there isn't a single thing you said that was correct in any way.

Every single statement you made is what's filled in your head: dogshit. Again, you explicitly mentioned fiat currencies, which don't have variables like

, which was my point; you are clueless.


Your reasoning as to why crypto is a bad investment is terrible, and shows a lack of understanding in both traditional and crypto markets.


Inflation doesn't erode the value of fiat currencies you fucking ape, it erodes the purchasing power. It was clear that there are far better long-term alternatives to hold other than gold if you're worrying about investment performance because again, gold is only beneficial in inflationary periods.


Do you understand that there are cryptos that are pegged to the value of gold, oil futures, water futures right?? That is why you can't use crypto as an umbrella term as I said, because they're all based on different fundamentals.

Again, that's the point, not a good investment compared to other alternatives. Don't try to backtrack your autism lol.


Hmm...guess what gold is traded in?? US dollars.


Just like any asset, regulations affect speculations. I won't even call this a dumb point, because there isn't even a point here.


Did you take a quick crack break before typing this out?


Those are intrinsic values, fucking ape. Again, this is why you shouldn't use crypto as an umbrella term, there are cryptocurrencies directly pegged to physical sources of value.


Ah yes, I sure do living investing in "Fiat". Again, showcasing your incompetence.

Your comments gave me a good laugh, but now it's sort of becoming a waste of time. There are thousands of crypto quant funds, hedge funds, that are doing the very things you claimed were impossible in crypto markets. Every major fund has crypto movements, and have reaped the benefits.

I will pray they come up for a cure for down syndrome, for the recipients of your financial choices.

if you didn't develop the brain capacity yet (if you ever will) and haven't had any experience in finance you simply can't understand and i explained in a very simplified way so you not understanding seems like your ignorance winning it from your rational thinking. you didn't even come up with counter arguments. saying that someone is wrong doesn't make them wrong, you need to actually prove them wrong by providing facts. for example stablecoins, like any asset, can be subject to market risks. While they aim to maintain stability, external factors such as liquidity constraints, market manipulation, or sudden shifts in investor sentiment can impact their value. ANY crypto is a risky investment even if it claims not to be. a stable coin doesn't have any intrinsic value and is therefore a risky investment.

I will just say one thing because if i write more than one sentence your brain will explode. Gold holds its value when the dollar declines and a weaker U.S. dollar is likely to drive the price of gold higher through increasing demand. If the US dollar crashes then the price of gold will increase by a lot, which means it's a very good investment in case of an economic crisis. However gold is not solely influenced by the dollar and still holds it's intrinsic value (crypto doesn't have any intrinsic value) and is still the best long-term safe investment. If you really think any crypto has intrinsic value you haven't studied this subject long enough (which i assume you didn't). the value of crypto is decided by the people who invest in it while gold always has intrinsic value.

"intrinsic value refers to the inherent worth of an asset based on its utility, scarcity, or underlying cash flows. For example, gold has intrinsic value due to its industrial uses, limited supply, and historical acceptance as a medium of exchange. Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, derive their value from factors such as technological innovation, adoption, network effects, and market demand. Their value is primarily based on perceived utility, speculation, and the willingness of individuals to assign value to them."

 

[uzi]

if you didn't develop the brain capacity yet (if you ever will) and haven't had any experience in finance you simply can't understand and i explained in a very simplified way so you not understanding seems like your ignorance winning it from your rational thinking. you didn't even come up with counter arguments. saying that someone is wrong doesn't make them wrong, you need to actually prove them wrong by providing facts. for example stablecoins, like any asset, can be subject to market risks. While they aim to maintain stability, external factors such as liquidity constraints, market manipulation, or sudden shifts in investor sentiment can impact their value. ANY crypto is a risky investment even if it claims not to be. a stable coin doesn't have any intrinsic value and is therefore a risky investment.

I will just say one thing because if i write more than one sentence your brain will explode. Gold holds its value when the dollar declines and a weaker U.S. dollar is likely to drive the price of gold higher through increasing demand. If the US dollar crashes then the price of gold will increase by a lot, which means it's a very good investment in case of an economic crisis. However gold is not solely influenced by the dollar and still holds it's intrinsic value (crypto doesn't have any intrinsic value) and is still the best long-term safe investment. If you really think any crypto has intrinsic value you haven't studied this subject long enough (which i assume you didn't). the value of crypto is decided by the people who invest in it while gold always has intrinsic value.

"intrinsic value refers to the inherent worth of an asset based on its utility, scarcity, or underlying cash flows. For example, gold has intrinsic value due to its industrial uses, limited supply, and historical acceptance as a medium of exchange. Cryptocurrencies, on the other hand, derive their value from factors such as technological innovation, adoption, network effects, and market demand. Their value is primarily based on perceived utility, speculation, and the willingness of individuals to assign value to them."

and haven't had any experience in finance

I literally do this as a job, not that that matters, because every single thing I said can easily be verified by any funds reports. Nice to see you're so braindead that you'd rather lean on your experience as an autist, instead of basic economic and mathematical principles.

and i explained in a very simplified way so you not understanding seems like your ignorance winning it from your rational thinking

You didn't explain anything, explaining implies you had some substance in your ideas, which isn't the case. Again, you were wrong about everything you said, from risk management to bitcoin's stability.

Gold holds its value when the dollar declines and a weaker U.S. dollar is likely to drive the price of gold higher through increasing demand. If the US dollar crashes then the price of gold will increase by a lot, which means it's a very good investment in case of an economic crisis.

This is literally what I said, I just think you're too retarded to know what "macroeconomic downturns" are. No, again further displaying your retardation. Fluctuations in gold are not directly proportional to US dollar fluctuations, this can be easily measured and no economist would even say this. It's a good investment in economic downturns, but holds its value during normal economic times, meaning there are better investment vehicles long term for continued growth.

"intrinsic value refers to the inherent worth of an asset based on its utility, scarcity, or underlying cash flows.

Good thing you acknowledged that cryptocurrencies can have utility as a fundamental.

Their value is primarily based on perceived utility, speculation, and the willingness of individuals to assign value to them

Every asset has perceived utility, and value is almost always driven by speculation. You're fucking retarded

for example stablecoins, like any asset, can be subject to market risks.

So fucking deluded you don't realize every asset has market risks, this doesn't help your point, only shows how much of a retard you are.

a stable coin doesn't have any intrinsic value and is therefore a risky investment.

Stablecoins can be pegged to physical sources of value. If your argument is that investments on assets with no intrinsic value are all risky investments, you shouldn't invest a cent into traditional markets that have anything to do with fiat currency. Again, so retarded you don't even realize you're dismantling your own arguments.

saying that someone is wrong doesn't make them wrong, you need to actually prove them wrong by providing facts.

Again, there isn't a need to provide facts because you haven't made an argument. Every single comment I made pointed out how inconsistent you are, and showing you how clueless you are.

Keep coping, and make sure you stay on the lower end of the curve.

 

[orangomango2003]

I literally do this as a job, not that that matters, because every single thing I said can easily be verified by any funds reports. Nice to see you're so braindead that you'd rather lean on your experience as an autist, instead of basic economic and mathematical principles.


You didn't explain anything, explaining implies you had some substance in your ideas, which isn't the case. Again, you were wrong about everything you said, from risk management to bitcoin's stability.


This is literally what I said, I just think you're too retarded to know what "macroeconomic downturns" are. No, again further displaying your retardation. Fluctuations in gold are not directly proportional to US dollar fluctuations, this can be easily measured and no economist would even say this. It's a good investment in economic downturns, but holds its value during normal economic times, meaning there are better investment vehicles long term for continued growth.


Good thing you acknowledged that cryptocurrencies can have utility as a fundamental.


Every asset has perceived utility, and value is almost always driven by speculation. You're fucking retarded


So fucking deluded you don't realize every asset has market risks, this doesn't help your point, only shows how much of a retard you are.


Stablecoins can be pegged to physical sources of value. If your argument is that investments on assets with no intrinsic value are all risky investments, you shouldn't invest a cent into traditional markets that have anything to do with fiat currency. Again, so retarded you don't even realize you're dismantling your own arguments.


Again, there isn't a need to provide facts because you haven't made an argument. Every single comment I made pointed out how inconsistent you are, and showing you how clueless you are.

Keep coping, and make sure you stay on the lower end of the curve.

I never said the price of gold is directly proportional to the US dollar. You can only win an argument by saying i said things i didn't even say. The price of gold is decided by multiple factors including the value of the US dollar.

i'm curious to know what your job is. You don't have to lie about it.

It's basic knowledge that Bitcoin is a risky investment and not a stable one and denying that fact doesn't sound very intelligent.

As i said gold has intrinsic value and it's value isn't solely decided by speculation. you call me retarded while you don't even understand this concept. It's not as black and white as you think it is. Not every currency has the same amount of speculation. Crypto has a very high amount of speculation while Gold a lower amount. That's because gold has intrinsic value (if you don't understand what that means because your IQ is too low: for example it means that you can use Gold to make electronics, jewelery, use it in aerospace or medical applications). gold will always have value because of those applications.

I never said that assets don't have market risks. I only said some assests have a lower risk than others (again putting words into my mouth). it's a fact that gold has a lower investment risk than bitcoin. it's a fact that the euro as an investment has a lower risk than the russian ruble. My point was that gold is safer than crypto and fiat and therefore is the best investment to hold large amounts of wealth without losing it due to inflation.

Everything you said only made my believe in my own arguments stronger. I'm very confident in my knowledge regarding this subject since i have not only been succesful in my studies but I have also collected large amounts of wealth and haven't made any significant losses due to my low risk investments. If i did invest my wealth into Bitcoin i would've lost a lot of money. I feel sorry for you, that you are so confident concerning your unfounded ideas. At one point in your life will you think back and know that you didn't know shit. I'm only here to inform others, to help others. Maybe you won't understand it because you're to arrogant to listen. Even if just one person decides to not spend all their wealth on gambling (Crypto) I will be satisfied.

It's usually the people who are clueless who respond the way you do. And that's fine. You don't have to know everything. Take a step back and review all available information and i hope you will understand that crypto isn't viable. And i'm in fact not on the lower end of the curve. I've been tested and confirmed a high intelligent person and i tend to use scientific based evidence to support my ideas. You may get your information about finance from social media and that's fine but there's a lot of bs out there. Calling the people you talk with dumb and retarded only makes yourself seem like those things.

 

[uzi]

I never said the price of gold is directly proportional to the US dollar. You can only win an argument by saying i said things i didn't even say. The price of gold is decided by multiple factors including the value of the US dollar.

i'm curious to know what your job is. You don't have to lie about it.

It's basic knowledge that Bitcoin is a risky investment and not a stable one and denying that fact doesn't sound very intelligent.

As i said gold has intrinsic value and it's value isn't solely decided by speculation. you call me retarded while you don't even understand this concept. It's not as black and white as you think it is. Not every currency has the same amount of speculation. Crypto has a very high amount of speculation while Gold a lower amount. That's because gold has intrinsic value (if you don't understand what that means because your IQ is too low: for example it means that you can use Gold to make electronics, jewelery, use it in aerospace or medical applications). gold will always have value because of those applications.

I never said that assets don't have market risks. I only said some assests have a lower risk than others (again putting words into my mouth). it's a fact that gold has a lower investment risk than bitcoin. it's a fact that the euro as an investment has a lower risk than the russian ruble. My point was that gold is safer than crypto and fiat and therefore is the best investment to hold large amounts of wealth without losing it due to inflation.

Everything you said only made my believe in my own arguments stronger. I'm very confident in my knowledge regarding this subject since i have not only been succesful in my studies but I have also collected large amounts of wealth and haven't made any significant losses due to my low risk investments. If i did invest my wealth into Bitcoin i would've lost a lot of money. I feel sorry for you, that you are so confident concerning your unfounded ideas. At one point in your life will you think back and know that you didn't know shit. I'm only here to inform others, to help others. Maybe you won't understand it because you're to arrogant to listen. Even if just one person decides to not spend all their wealth on gambling (Crypto) I will be satisfied.

It's usually the people who are clueless who respond the way you do. And that's fine. You don't have to know everything. Take a step back and review all available information and i hope you will understand that crypto isn't viable. And i'm in fact not on the lower end of the curve. I've been tested and confirmed a high intelligent person and i tend to use scientific based evidence to support my ideas. You may get your information about finance from social media and that's fine but there's a lot of bs out there. Calling the people you talk with dumb and retarded only makes yourself seem like those things.

I never said the price of gold is directly proportional to the US dollar. You can only win an argument by saying i said things i didn't even say. The price of gold is decided by multiple factors including the value of the US dollar.

If the US dollar crashes then the price of gold will increase by a lot, which means it's a very good investment in case of an economic crisis.

Blatant lie and a very dangerous assumption to base investments on. You said as a matter of fact that if the US dollar falls, the price of gold will increase A LOT, effectively claiming they are proportional. These are markets with thousands of variables, many of which can't even be quantified today. Asset fluctuations are random, even with the current mathematical methods to approximate them. If you tried to claim that in an economics class, trading with your own money, or even worse at a fund, you'll be a fucking clown.

i'm curious to know what your job is. You don't have to lie about it.

It's basic knowledge that Bitcoin is a risky investment and not a stable one and denying that fact doesn't sound very intelligent.

1. I get that you're insecure in your knowledge and you feel that leveraging a job position adds some authenticity to what people say, but that's a very bad way to go about anything in life. It's pretty clear what my job is, I made it quite obvious, if you can't understand it, no one can help you.
2. I never said bitcoin wasn't a risky investment, you claimed that bitcoin was one of the "Stable Cryptos", which is why I called you out on it. There are far more stable cryptocurrencies if you had even the smallest amount of knowledge in this space, which evidently you don't.

As i said gold has intrinsic value and it's value isn't solely decided by speculation. you call me retarded while you don't even understand this concept. It's not as black and white as you think it is. Not every currency has the same amount of speculation. Crypto has a very high amount of speculation while Gold a lower amount. That's because gold has intrinsic value (if you don't understand what that means because your IQ is too low: for example it means that you can use Gold to make electronics, jewelery, use it in aerospace or medical applications). gold will always have value because of those applications.

I never disputed this fact once, not only are you dogshit at math, but apparently can't read too. You can't quantify speculation, assets are always speculated on.

I never said that assets don't have market risks. I only said some assests have a lower risk than others (again putting words into my mouth). it's a fact that gold has a lower investment risk than bitcoin. it's a fact that the euro as an investment has a lower risk than the russian ruble. My point was that gold is safer than crypto and fiat and therefore is the best investment to hold large amounts of wealth without losing it due to inflation.

Your original comment was on the risk of crypto, not comparing it to gold. I never once claimed it wasn't, learn to read. You never even mentioned gold in your original comment.

Everything you said only made my believe in my own arguments stronger. I'm very confident in my knowledge regarding this subject since i have not only been succesful in my studies but I have also collected large amounts of wealth and haven't made any significant losses due to my low risk investments. If i did invest my wealth into Bitcoin i would've lost a lot of money. I feel sorry for you, that you are so confident concerning your unfounded ideas. At one point in your life will you think back and know that you didn't know shit. I'm only here to inform others, to help others. Maybe you won't understand it because you're to arrogant to listen. Even if just one person decides to not spend all their wealth on gambling (Crypto) I will be satisfied.

-Large amounts of wealth hoarding gold. Yes retard, I definitely believe you. Keep up with the cognitive dissonance. Never once did I mention investing in bitcoin showing how retarded you are.

It's usually the people who are clueless who respond the way you do. And that's fine. You don't have to know everything. Take a step back and review all available information and i hope you will understand that crypto isn't viable. And i'm in fact not on the lower end of the curve. I've been tested and confirmed a high intelligent person and i tend to use scientific based evidence to support my ideas. You may get your information about finance from social media and that's fine but there's a lot of bs out there. Calling the people you talk with dumb and retarded only makes yourself seem like those things.

Just like the real world(I get it, you're a sheltered kid), if someone is acting stupid, you get called out on it. You made the choice to post something stupid, don't get hurt when you get called out.

And i'm in fact not on the lower end of the curve. I've been tested and confirmed a high intelligent person and i tend to use scientific based evidence to support my ideas.

This is fucking hilarious, you typed this out and thought "this'll get him!!". You don't need to lie on the internet, you don't even understand the concept of correlation, don't try to fool yourself into thinking you're using "scientific based evidence". Also, who the fuck says "scientific based evidence"?? There's nothing scientific here, this is pure math. It's funny and sad you're this delusional.

You may get your information about finance from social media and that's fine but there's a lot of bs out there. Calling the people you talk with dumb and retarded only makes yourself seem like those things.

I get my information from the thousands of published academic papers that call you out on your instagram-regurgitated bullshit. I apply this information from my education and my daily job.

You're in for a rude awakening from life: You're not only braindead, but you've tricked yourself into thinking you're somewhat logical- a very dangerous combo.

Had a good laugh, I'll end off your clownery with a list of the top asset managers in the world with active crypto funds to show you how deluded you are.

Bitwise 10 Crypto Index Fund
Grayscale
Polychain Capital
BlockTower Capital
Blackrock
Andreessen Horowitz(a16z)

Collectively, these funds manage tens of billions of dollars on crypto-related positions. They're trusted by the smartest people in this world, to manage risk, and create continued growth; decisions made by academics, researchers, the best traders, e.t.c

I want you to take a good look at that list: you will never gain the intelligence to get anywhere near there. The closest you'll be to any one of those funds is as a janitor cleaning shit from the toilet.

 

[orangomango2003]

Blatant lie and a very dangerous assumption to base investments on. You said as a matter of fact that if the US dollar falls, the price of gold will increase A LOT, effectively claiming they are proportional. These are markets with thousands of variables, many of which can't even be quantified today. Asset fluctuations are random, even with the current mathematical methods to approximate them. If you tried to claim that in an economics class, trading with your own money, or even worse at a fund, you'll be a fucking clown.

1. I get that you're insecure in your knowledge and you feel that leveraging a job position adds some authenticity to what people say, but that's a very bad way to go about anything in life. It's pretty clear what my job is, I made it quite obvious, if you can't understand it, no one can help you.
2. I never said bitcoin wasn't a risky investment, you claimed that bitcoin was one of the "Stable Cryptos", which is why I called you out on it. There are far more stable cryptocurrencies if you had even the smallest amount of knowledge in this space, which evidently you don't.

I never disputed this fact once, not only are you dogshit at math, but apparently can't read too. You can't quantify speculation, assets are always speculated on.


Your original comment was on the risk of crypto, not comparing it to gold. I never once claimed it wasn't, learn to read. You never even mentioned gold in your original comment.


-Large amounts of wealth hoarding gold. Yes retard, I definitely believe you. Keep up with the cognitive dissonance. Never once did I mention investing in bitcoin showing how retarded you are.


Just like the real world(I get it, you're a sheltered kid), if someone is acting stupid, you get called out on it. You made the choice to post something stupid, don't get hurt when you get called out.

This is fucking hilarious, you typed this out and thought "this'll get him!!". You don't need to lie on the internet, you don't even understand the concept of correlation, don't try to fool yourself into thinking you're using "scientific based evidence". Also, who the fuck says "scientific based evidence"?? There's nothing scientific here, this is pure math. It's funny and sad you're this delusional.


I get my information from the thousands of published academic papers that call you out on your instagram-regurgitated bullshit. I apply this information from my education and my daily job.

You're in for a rude awakening from life: You're not only braindead, but you've tricked yourself into thinking you're somewhat logical- a very dangerous combo.

Had a good laugh, I'll end off your clownery with a list of the top asset managers in the world with active crypto funds to show you how deluded you are.

Bitwise 10 Crypto Index Fund
Grayscale
Polychain Capital
BlockTower Capital
Blackrock
Andreessen Horowitz(a16z)

Collectively, these funds manage tens of billions of dollars on crypto-related positions. They're trusted by the smartest people in this world, to manage risk, and create continued growth; decisions made by academics, researchers, the best traders, e.t.c

I want you to take a good look at that list: you will never gain the intelligence to get anywhere near there. The closest you'll be to any one of those funds is as a janitor cleaning shit from the toilet.

You're alone on this one kid. Not even gonna argue with your dumb points since you keep bringing more bs.

No shit that large companies invest a very small percentage of their total balance into crypto. This is where ur stupidity shows. Blackrock has only invested 0,32% of it's total wealth into crypto. The only reason they do this is because they have a stake in crypto companies like coinbase who make a lot of money. That doesn't mean it's a good investment for the average guy. Science says that bitcoin has no intrinsic value and shouldn't be invested in. It's more or less gambling with your money. Companies like blackrock have no reason to invest in gold. I'm talking about what's best for an average guy.

Bitcoin is not pure math. Because the value of your money can change according to what society consider it to be. You didn't disprove anything in your latest comment your actually hilarious. like if i say 1+1=2 you will say im wrong. You need a hug man. May i ask what you usually vote for in the general election of your country? Some added context would be helpful to know how your thought process works.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335028901_Emergence_of_Bitcoin_as_an_Investment_Alternative_A_Systematic_Review_and_Research_Agenda

If the dollar crashes gold will increase in value by a lot. That doesn't make them proportional you dumbass.

 

[uzi]

You're alone on this one kid. Not even gonna argue with your dumb points since you keep bringing more bs.

No shit that large companies invest a very small percentage of their total balance into crypto. This is where ur stupidity shows. Blackrock has only invested 0,32% of it's total wealth into crypto. The only reason they do this is because they have a stake in crypto companies like coinbase who make a lot of money. That doesn't mean it's a good investment for the average guy. Science says that bitcoin has no intrinsic value and shouldn't be invested in. It's more or less gambling with your money. Companies like blackrock have no reason to invest in gold. I'm talking about what's best for an average guy.

Bitcoin is not pure math. Because the value of your money can change according to what society consider it to be. You didn't disprove anything in your latest comment your actually hilarious. like if i say 1+1=2 you will say im wrong. You need a hug man. May i ask what you usually vote for in the general election of your country? Some added context would be helpful to know how your thought process works.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335028901_Emergence_of_Bitcoin_as_an_Investment_Alternative_A_Systematic_Review_and_Research_Agenda

If the dollar crashes gold will increase in value by a lot. That doesn't make them proportional you dumbass.

You're alone on this one kid. Not even gonna argue with your dumb points since you keep bringing more bs.

You didn't even argue any points, I called you out on your retardation.

Bitcoin is not pure math. Because the value of your money can change according to what society consider it to be.

Never said it was, I said financial analysis is, it's definitely not scientific, and no one would say that retard. Congrats on having a shitty understanding of speculation.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ative_A_Systematic_Review_and_Research_Agenda

This is fucking hilarious, the fact you're citing papers from researchgate tells me you didn't actually read the paper, you just fucking searched it. Not only does no one use researchgate to look at papers, but the authors are literal business majors. There's 0 math substance in here. I'm confused about this as well retard, I never once defended bitcoin, I think your down syndrome is causing you to delude yourself.

No shit that large companies invest a very small percentage of their total balance into crypto. This is where ur stupidity shows. Blackrock has only invested 0,32% of it's total wealth into crypto. The only reason they do this is because they have a stake in crypto companies like coinbase who make a lot of money.

Blackrock manages 9 trillion dollars in assets, you tried to use a percentage to minimize their funds. Again retard, these are funds with direct crypto positions, not just investing in companies. These are funds for a reason. Again, excellent display of retardation.

If the dollar crashes gold will increase in value by a lot. That doesn't make them proportional you dumbass.

That is literally the mathematical definition of proportionality, you are genuinely retarded.

Science says that bitcoin has no intrinsic value and shouldn't be invested in. It's more or less gambling with your money.

Either you're complete shit at English or you don't understand what "Science" is. No one argued that bitcoin had intrinsic value, although there's an argument to made. Again, almost all fiat-related assets don't have an intrinsic value, so you are again disproving yourself retard.

You didn't disprove anything in your latest comment your actually hilarious. like if i say 1+1=2 you will say im wrong.

Learn English retard, I literally dismantled your arguments, you're too retarded to see it.

Saw your profile and it's amazing you've survived 19 years on this planet being the retard you are, so I applaud you for that. You're shit at math, and the way you speak leads me to believe that you're a product of inbreeding and a life of welfare. It never even started for you. More than happy to send you over some mathematical finance textbooks, maybe you can color in them.

 

[orangomango2003]

You didn't even argue any points, I called you out on your retardation.


Never said it was, I said financial analysis is, it's definitely not scientific, and no one would say that retard. Congrats on having a shitty understanding of speculation.

This is fucking hilarious, the fact you're citing papers from researchgate tells me you didn't actually read the paper, you just fucking searched it. Not only does no one use researchgate to look at papers, but the authors are literal business majors. There's 0 math substance in here. I'm confused about this as well retard, I never once defended bitcoin, I think your down syndrome is causing you to delude yourself.


Blackrock manages 9 trillion dollars in assets, you tried to use a percentage to minimize their funds. Again retard, these are funds with direct crypto positions, not just investing in companies. These are funds for a reason. Again, excellent display of retardation.


That is literally the mathematical definition of proportionality, you are genuinely retarded.


Either you're complete shit at English or you don't understand what "Science" is. No one argued that bitcoin had intrinsic value, although there's an argument to made. Again, almost all fiat-related assets don't have an intrinsic value, so you are again disproving yourself retard.


Learn English retard, I literally dismantled your arguments, you're too retarded to see it.

Saw your profile and it's amazing you've survived 19 years on this planet being the retard you are, so I applaud you for that. You're shit at math, and the way you speak leads me to believe that you're a product of inbreeding and a life of welfare. It never even started for you. More than happy to send you over some mathematical finance textbooks, maybe you can color in them.

what argument are we even making here? i'm just saying that bitcoin is a bad investment that's all. you must be very autistic. bitcoin price isn't decided by math dumbass. stop responding now because i don't care. i've done enough educating for today.

 

[uzi]

crypto is gambling. if something bad happens to the world economy you may lose a lot of money in crypto while the loss is managable in fiat currency. it's not worth it to invest in crypto because the risk is high.

the only safe crypto is bitcoin even though it crashed from 55k to 15k. it's very unlikely that crypto like bitcoin is going to get worth more than this because it's already known worldwide (no hype) and won't get adopted by any major governments. it's more likely that governments like the EU will adopt their own digital currency.

Not we, you are so retarded you decided to invent a new argument mid way. I just went with it because you're wrong in everything you think about and it's like watching a monkey try to peel an orange. Your original claim was you can't manage risk in crypto markets, which is blatantly wrong. I showed you that managing risk in crypto markets is very similar to traditional financial markets; they literally share some of the same risk vectors. I pointed out you don't know what you're talking about because you referred to traditional financial markets as "fiat currency". You then tried to claim that crypto as a whole isn't stable by bringing up bitcoin, which you claimed as being stable(hint cuz you're retarded: it isn't). I showed you that there are crypto currencies based on fundamentals. You then backtracked and claimed that because it has no intrinsic value, it's a risky investment, not realizing that made your entire argument with fiat currencies null.

bitcoin price isn't decided by math dumbass.

You understand all asset fluctuations have mathematical explanations? Not once did I claim this either, you're a mix of retarded with intentionally misconstruing arguments and still somehow looking more stupid.

i'm just saying that bitcoin is a bad investment that's all. you must be very autistic.

That wasn't your initial claim, your claim was crypto in general. Just like the thousands of autists before, you have conflated the two. Just the way you talk affirms my suspicions that you are a product of inbreeding, what is this transition between sentences?? And Jesus, your English is worse than some Youtube-learning Baljeet.

i've done enough educating for today.

For the sake of the entire planet, I hope you're done with "educating" forever.