does doubling T levels mean 2x faster gym gains

[chigoha]

does it work like that ?

let's say i go from 500ng/dl to 1000ng/dl, does it mean 6 months of training will get me what would have 12 months of natty training got me ?

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

No not at all- doubling T probably only gives like 5-10% extra gains

 

[Lonely]

does it work like that ?

let's say i go from 500ng/dl to 1000ng/dl, does it mean 6 months of training will get me what would have 12 months of natty training got me ?

No it doesn't work like that T levels isn't the only factor

 

[Baldingman1998]

No

 

[chigoha]

then why do people get fast gains even on low dose test cycle (150-200mg) ?

 

[thecel]

No not at all- doubling T probably only gives like 5-10% extra gains

GigaCope. Anabolic steroids pretty much are testosterone (increasing T levels or acting like T), and they give way more extra gains than 5%–10%.

 

[Orc]

then why do people get fast gains even on low dose test cycle (150-200mg) ?

exogenous testosterone up-regulates other factors that are more important for growth i.e androgen receptors.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30356739/

testosterone on it's own isn't super important within the reference range, someone with 1000 test doesn't necessarily gain muscle faster than someone else at 500.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

GigaCope. Anabolic steroids are basically testosterone, and they give way more extra gains than 5%–10%.

most people doing steroid cycles are way more than doubling their T levels.

If you do a 500mg test cycle you test levels are probably quadrupled or more tbh

 

[Mouthbreath]

Yes and quadrupling your testosteorne, means 4x the gains

 

[Orc]

most people doing steroid cycles are way more than doubling their T levels.

If you do a 500mg test cycle you test levels are probably quadrupled or more tbh

500 is more than 10 times what most men produce.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

500 is more than 10 times what most men produce.

what does it translate tyo in actual blood levels though?

Bloodwork i saw people have like 2500ng so thats like 5 times natty

but either way that just proves my point more

 

[zharupodrugu]

500 is more than 10 times what most men produce.

dont refer to soy normie as most men they out of equation
10 times more than healthy athletic man?

 

[Orc]

what does it translate tyo in actual blood levels though?

individual response varies widely.

the average man produces about 45mg~ of testosterone a week.

dont refer to soy normie as most men they out of equation
10 times more than healthy athletic man?

peak genetic elite 1% percentile men still only produce about 70mg at best.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

Muscle is more about water, nitrogen retention and etc. (not only small shifts in T affect this I don't think, but other factors)

SO anything that promotes more water promotes more muscle usually AKA bulking/gymcelling/certain supps/diet/etc.

The reason some skinnyfatcels can't gain is perhaps they have too much catabolic effects

Roids often are super good in high doses at promoting either water, glycogen, anti-catabolism or nitrogen retetion which is why they help most people get filled out more. Some like DHT don't really help fill out (like Winstrol helps more getting shredded) but yeah the water/nitrogen affecting ones add mass the most, like testosterone, tren, other designer ones. But it isn't all about T especiall not NATTY levels as the difference between the artficial and the natrual is that roiding isn't usually biorythmic/natural so its effects can be more extreme in one go

The natural guy has test synthesized and made in minor amounts all of the time, depending on day, diet, stress, genes, etc.

But the roidcel often just throws it all in there which promotes intense, more dangerous effects especially if doing 500 mg or more weekly. I'd say one might be better off on TRT than on bigger blasting doses on and off as at least it's more tame/steady and safe than going crazy amounts on/off.

 

[Deleted member 22190]

peak genetic elite 1% percentile men still only produce about 70mg at best.

Jfc only 70mg? Crazy

 

[klamus]

Nah. It would maybe change things If you had like 250 test

 

[Orc]

Jfc only 70mg? Crazy

that's almost double the average, it's a lot, just not compared to steroids.

trannies running a trt dose probably have higher test than the the biggest natural ogres.

 

[Deleted member 22190]

that's almost double the average, it's a lot, just not compared to steroids.

trannies running a trt dose probably have higher test than the the biggest natural ogres.

Anyway to get your weekly test production results checked?

 

[Orc]

Anyway to get your weekly test production results checked?

there's no point in doing it, your total production is pretty irrelevant when it comes to hypertrophy as long as you're in the reference range, you won't gain more than the next guy even if you've got two times the natural production.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men | American Journal of Physiology-Endocrinology and Metabolism

Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses...

journals.physiology.org

 

[ItsOverCel]

no most likely because if your testes function normally then you will have automatically more shbg as you increase test artificially (and artifically you cant increase it much without injecting)

but if you increase ur t from really low levels due to testes atrophy like below 350 then to normal ones 600+ after a cycle of HCG then your performance will increase significantly. Sometimes to the point you break plateaues quickly and have cycle-like gains

 

[BoneDensity]

500 is more than 10 times what most men produce.

That's wild

 

[kalefartbomb]

then why do people get fast gains even on low dose test cycle (150-200mg) ?

No one gets fast gains on 200mg. They just get fast water retention. 250mg I looked like a slightly more vascular and pumped version of my natty self. And the doses you are talking about are triple/quadruple natty levels, not double. On the NHS test replacement is 50mg/week.