Does having thick hair = no balding?

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I have very thick hair and NW0 but I am starting to shed a lot of hair after I started taking protein shakes(did some looking and found out taking protein shakes after gym spikes the testosterone level). I lose many thick hair frequently
 
I had extremely thick hair and then lost it all in 2.5 years.
 
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Yoyome99 said:
I have very thick hair and NW0 but I am starting to shed a lot of hair after I started taking protein shakes(did some looking and found out taking protein shakes after gym spikes the testosterone level). I lose many thick hair frequently
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Fast growth is a good sign for having no MPB predisposition. Especially during early childhood when you had less androgens to minaturize your follicles
 
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x30001 said:
Fast growth is a good sign for having no MPB predisposition. Especially during early childhood when you had less androgens to minaturize your follicles
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My hair grows fast but I am not sure if it is because I oil my hair or my genes.
 
Nope. I thickmog all of you but I'm nw 2.5
 
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x30001 said:
Did it grow fast when you were like 5-11yrs old?
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Asked my mom and she said it grew fast that time too. What do you think?
 
If anything protein shakes should make your hair thicker, since your hair is made from protein right?
 
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Effortless said:
If anything protein shakes should make your hair thicker, since your hair is made from protein right?
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It also increases testosterone which leads to higher dht hence the hairloss
x30001 said:
Likely you're not prone to MPB
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My brother is in NW1 at age 24. And my dad is NW3 at age 51. Nonetheless I am still scared af and will hop on fin after I turn 18
 
Yoyome99 said:
It also increases testosterone which leads to higher dht hence the hairloss

My brother is in NW1 at age 24. And my dad is NW3 at age 51. Nonetheless I am still scared af and will hop on fin after I turn 18
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No point in worrying if there's nothing wrong with your hair at the moment and you're not even 18. Also Dut > Fin.

Dutasteride until sm04554 becomes available and if you can't afford that then just do Dutasteride and all the things to promote Anagen phase growth. Maybe Xeljanz will be more studied over time. Looks like a promising treatment.
 
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x30001 said:
No point in worrying if there's nothing wrong with your hair at the moment and you're not even 18. Also Dut > Fin.

Dutasteride until sm04554 becomes available and if you can't afford that then just do Dutasteride and all the things to promote Anagen phase growth. Maybe Xeljanz will be more studied over time. Looks like a promising treatment.
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Are you good with skincare too? I have some questions
 
Yoyome99 said:
I have very thick hair and NW0 but I am starting to shed a lot of hair after I started taking protein shakes(did some looking and found out taking protein shakes after gym spikes the testosterone level). I lose many thick hair frequently
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IMAGINE
 
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x30001 said:
No point in worrying if there's nothing wrong with your hair at the moment and you're not even 18. Also Dut > Fin.

Dutasteride until sm04554 becomes available and if you can't afford that then just do Dutasteride and all the things to promote Anagen phase growth. Maybe Xeljanz will be more studied over time. Looks like a promising treatment.
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are there any promising hair treatments that might come out in the next year or so?
 
Have you been supp creatine? that shit is cancer, it raises your DHT by ~50%

You're probably starting to bald, since you have thick hair it will take a while, start your hair maintenance now tbh
Yoyome99 said:
How many hair did you lose while you took a shower?
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Get a white table (tomorrow at morning) and rub your head for ~10 seconds above it, then start counting how many hair fell if +50 then it's probably a sign of baldness, you shouldn't lose more than 100 per day, if you lose 50 on those 10 seconds you'd probably lose another 40 on the afternoon if you did the same and another 40 during evening
 
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Deliciadecu said:
Have you been supp creatine? that shit is cancer, it raises your DHT by ~50%

You're probably starting to bald, since you have thick hair it will take a while, start your hair maintenance now tbh


Get a white table (tomorrow at morning) and rub your head for ~10 seconds above it, then start counting how many hair fell if +50 then it's probably a sign of baldness, you shouldn't lose more than 100 per day, if you lose 50 on those 10 seconds you'd probably lose another 40 on the afternoon if you did the same and another 40 during evening
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I don't see creatine but you also see once
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I did that 10 seconds thing right now and I lost 13 hairs. What should I do?
 
GenericChad1444 said:
are there any promising hair treatments that might come out in the next year or so?
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sm04554 dude. It's not a treatment it's a complete panacea for hairloss. Talked about it just today. I think it'll be incredibly expensive. New JAK-STAT pathway inhibitors could emerge as the most effective treatments in the next years if they can actually prolong each Anagen phase, hoping that more time spent in the phase will equate to more growth. But Xeljanz isn't really prevalent at the moment so who knows.

If someone can compete and create a molecule that replicates what sm04554 does with the Wnt/Beta Catenin signalling pathway, then that'll be another panacea. But I doubt that will happen. Wnt modulation isn't hair specific and if there was another company working on a cure, they would've been known. Samumed really started work on sm in Oct2014. No one else is copying/replicating what they've already done.

I can't think of other good treatments tbh. Fin/Dut are just 5AR inhibitors. Really effective because they lower the amount of damage done in the Catagen phase. But drugs like that can only properly treat AA and not MPB since time is the fundamental factor involved with MPB. It's just C:A phase activity over time; then you lose hair, at whatever rate your Growth/Destruction in the A/C phases are working at, OVER time.

Let's compare the Anagen activity ratio to income and expenses like in money.

MPB Prone males receive $1 per day. Their income. Their Anagen phase activity.
Non MPB Prone males receive $10 per day. Their income. Their Anagen phase activity.

During early childhood/pre-puberty, Catagen phase activity is very low. This is the time where you can gauge whether you're going to lose your hair eventually to MPB. If your hair is growing thick and fast, you should be fine. The rate of speed at which it's growing thick, will mark your certainty as to whether you're prone.

You get older and DHT, Androgens and a whole host of other shit attacks your follicles; only during the Catagen phase, phase 2/3 of the cycle.

Non steroid user:
Pays $6 per day.

Testosterone user not on Fin/Dut:
Pays $10.50 per day. Even if he's not prone to MPB, he's temporarily in a net negative in terms of hairloss/hairgrowth.

Winny/Mast/Proviron/Halotestin/Tren/Dbol idiot user:
Pays $25 per day. Loses hair pretty fast. His basal Anagen phase activity acts as genetic cushioning but he's still in a temporary net negative. He may regrow all his hair eventually after he stops cycling because he's still receiving $10 per day as he always was, but is back to paying only $6 per day. So back to a net postive. And regrowth begins.

Winny/Mast/Proviron/Halotestin/Tren/Dbol idiot user prone to MPB:
Pays $25 per day. Loses hair pretty fast. His basal Anagen phase activity DOES NOT acts as genetic cushioning and he's in a net negative. He won't regrow all his hair after he stops cycling because he's still receiving a measly $1 per day as he always was, and is still paying more than he receives. So back to a less extreme net negative. Rate of hairloss slows due to the reduction in Categen phase activity which was extreme due to his own dumb choices.

You see 100ng/dl soyboys who drink soylent, don't lift, who are estrogenic as fuck, but still lose their hair. That's because of the C:A ratio top-heavyness, and time. They didn't lose hair because their Catagen phase was crazy high. They lost hair eventually because their Anagen phase was always shit. And the reason they didn't lose hair earlier than in their 20s is because their Catagen phase activity was very low pre-puberty. It increased during puberty, but only so slightly past their genetically poor Anagen phase activity. It was then TIME that became the primary factor in noticing hairloss.

C:A phase activity ratio + time.

Non MPB prone men have more Anagen activity.

That's why Androgenic Alopecia and MPB are very different. And a lot of people have misconstrued notions about Fin/Dut. It's naive to think that they can work against hairloss in prone men. They lower DHT levels, and that's why at the start MPB prone men can experience strong effects such as regrowth, especially with Dutasteride, but that effect is temporary since it was only a visible effect due to the re-adjustment of the ratios. DHT is for sure the #1 destructor of follicles. But time is a killer. Hair won't last forever with prone men, even if you get on Fin/Dut early, late, whenever... It's just a plaster if you're prone. It's not doing anything to increase your Anagen phase activity.
 
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sm04554 dude. It's not a treatment it's a complete panacea for hairloss. Talked about it just today. I think it'll be incredibly expensive. New JAK-STAT pathway inhibitors could emerge as the most effective treatments in the next years if they can actually prolong each Anagen phase, hoping that more time spent in the phase will equate to more growth. But Xeljanz isn't really prevalent at the moment so who knows.

If someone can compete and create a molecule that replicates what sm04554 does with the Wnt/Beta Catenin signalling pathway, then that'll be another panacea. But I doubt that will happen. Wnt modulation isn't hair specific and if there was another company working on a cure, they would've been known. Samumed really started work on sm in Oct2014. No one else is copying/replicating what they've already done.

I can't think of other good treatments tbh. Fin/Dut are just 5AR inhibitors. Really effective because they lower the amount of damage done in the Catagen phase. But drugs like that can only properly treat AA and not MPB since time is the fundamental factor involved with MPB. It's just C:A phase activity over time; then you lose hair, at whatever rate your Growth/Destruction in the A/C phases are working at, OVER time.

Let's compare the Anagen activity ratio to income and expenses like in money.

MPB Prone males receive $1 per day. Their income. Their Anagen phase activity.
Non MPB Prone males receive $10 per day. Their income. Their Anagen phase activity.

During early childhood/pre-puberty, Catagen phase activity is very low. This is the time where you can gauge whether you're going to lose your hair eventually to MPB. If your hair is growing thick and fast, you should be fine. The rate of speed at which it's growing thick, will mark your certainty as to whether you're prone.

You get older and DHT, Androgens and a whole host of other shit attacks your follicles; only during the Catagen phase, phase 2/3 of the cycle.

Non steroid user:
Pays $6 per day.

Testosterone user not on Fin/Dut:
Pays $10.50 per day. Even if he's not prone to MPB, he's temporarily in a net negative in terms of hairloss/hairgrowth.

Winny/Mast/Proviron/Halotestin/Tren/Dbol idiot user:
Pays $25 per day. Loses hair pretty fast. His basal Anagen phase activity acts as genetic cushioning but he's still in a temporary net negative. He may regrow all his hair eventually after he stops cycling because he's still receiving $10 per day as he always was, but is back to paying only $6 per day. So back to a net postive. And regrowth begins.

Winny/Mast/Proviron/Halotestin/Tren/Dbol idiot user prone to MPB:
Pays $25 per day. Loses hair pretty fast. His basal Anagen phase activity DOES NOT acts as genetic cushioning and he's in a net negative. He won't regrow all his hair after he stops cycling because he's still receiving a measly $1 per day as he always was, and is still paying more than he receives. So back to a less extreme net negative. Rate of hairloss slows due to the reduction in Categen phase activity which was extreme due to his own dumb choices.

You see 100ng/dl soyboys who drink soylent, don't lift, who are estrogenic as fuck, but still lose their hair. That's because of the C:A ratio top-heavyness, and time. They didn't lose hair because their Catagen phase was crazy high. They lost hair eventually because their Anagen phase was always shit. And the reason they didn't lose hair earlier than in their 20s is because their Catagen phase activity was very low pre-puberty. It increased during puberty, but only so slightly past their genetically poor Anagen phase activity. It was then TIME that became the primary factor in noticing hairloss.

C:A phase activity ratio + time.

Non MPB prone men have more Anagen activity.

That's why Androgenic Alopecia and MPB are very different. And a lot of people have misconstrued notions about Fin/Dut. It's naive to think that they can work against hairloss in prone men. They lower DHT levels, and that's why at the start MPB prone men can experience strong effects such as regrowth, especially with Dutasteride, but that effect is temporary since it was only a visible effect due to the re-adjustment of the ratios. DHT is for sure the #1 destructor of follicles. But time is a killer. Hair won't last forever with prone men, even if you get on Fin/Dut early, late, whenever... It's just a plaster if you're prone. It's not doing anything to increase your Anagen phase activity.
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great fucking post man. This has been so helpful
 
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Deliciadecu said:
Have you been supp creatine? that shit is cancer, it raises your DHT by ~50%

You're probably starting to bald, since you have thick hair it will take a while, start your hair maintenance now tbh


Get a white table (tomorrow at morning) and rub your head for ~10 seconds above it, then start counting how many hair fell if +50 then it's probably a sign of baldness, you shouldn't lose more than 100 per day, if you lose 50 on those 10 seconds you'd probably lose another 40 on the afternoon if you did the same and another 40 during evening
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FOR REAL, creatine made me bloated too
 
Yoyome99 said:
I did that 10 seconds thing right now and I lost 13 hairs. What should I do?
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Not bad, maybe you just started to be aware of the hair falling now. Try rubbing tomorrow morning again before doing anything else, 13 is on total normal range.

Btw, if you used shampoo today it will fall less, not sure why is that, probably you get rid of all weak hairs at once during shower, so you'd have to wait at least 48h to see how many you're actually losing
 
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GenericChad1444 said:
great fucking post man. This has been so helpful
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Essentially sm04554 agonized the Frizzled and LRP receptors and activates the Wnt/Beta Catenin signalling pathway exactly like how it's activated/signalled in non prone men. There's no 1 gene. The predisposition comes from a receptor NOT being agonized by a specific molecule. And samumed have figured it out. The can make prone men, unprone (so long as they keep applying the cream).
 
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Effortless said:
FOR REAL, creatine made me bloated too
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I was already losing hair, on January this year I started taking creatine, every single day that I'd rub my hair on a white board I would stop counting after 50 hairs because I knew I was just half the counting, I was probably losing +150 hairs every day, and it took me 6 weeks after I stopped taking creatine to normalize to what it was before supplementing this cancer
 
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Deliciadecu said:
I was already losing hair, on January this year I started taking creatine, every single day that I'd rub my hair on a white board I would stop counting after 50 hairs because I knew I was just half the counting, I was probably losing +150 hairs every day, and it took me 6 weeks after I stopped taking creatine to normalize to what it was before supplementing this cancer
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It works so well for gymcelling but man that shit made me bloat like mad. Never suffered with hair loss while on it though

But yeah if i saw myself losing more than 10 hairs when i wash my hair i would go into a panic attack lol
 
Only way to know is by getting a scan of your scalp which will show whether you have active miniaturization or not. Until then, I'd advise not trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Yoyome99 said:
I did that 10 seconds thing right now and I lost 13 hairs. What should I do?
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That's a super unreliable test as it could be influenced by how many times you've shampooed in the last days. I remember a study that concluded that non-balding men lose anywhere from 0 to 60-something hairs ( notice the huge diapason) when combing for one minute after showering for 3 days in a row.
 
x30001 said:
Did it grow fast when you were like 5-11yrs old?
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yeah very very fast, even rn at 22 yo it grew very fast and i have NW0, so i hope never getting NW.
I know between 5-11 it grew very fast bc my family and friends were astonished by the rapidity of the growing of it compared to the others kids.
i have very thick eyebrow too if it can help to know.
 
I’ve always had thick hair but till this June my left temple was nw1 and right one nw1.5, with the frontal hairline thinning. Did a HT as soon as I noticed the tendency because my head shape can afford no balding.
 
Nah hair thickness prior to balding has no relation to whether you will bald. My hair is thin but very healthy and sturdy on my head.
 
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@Sergeant add text to speech i dont understand any threads
 
I have thick hair but my hairline is slowly receding, so I guess the answer is no
 
x30001 said:
Fast growth is a good sign for having no MPB predisposition. Especially during early childhood when you had less androgens to minaturize your follicles
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Bro my hair has always grown back super quick but I'm still balding...

Why?
 
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streege said:
it's over for u, you'r 16 yo too
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I'll rope at 25 it is what it is

But I don't find hairs anymore so it might have stopped. Hopefully.
 
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BigBoy said:
I'll rope at 25 it is what it is

But I don't find hairs anymore so it might have stopped. Hopefully.
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i'm always cutting my hair with my hands when i'm angry but yet still NW0.
same goes for mouthbreathing : always done it and i have a full anteface. or for skin : i always eat shit food, but no issue, nor acne.
it's all about genetics.
 
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i'm always cutting my hair with my hands when i'm angry but yet still NW0.
same goes for mouthbreathing : always done it and i have a full anteface. or for skin : i always eat shit food, but no issue, nor acne.
it's all about genetics.
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Water is wet
 
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BigBoy said:
Water is wet
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i mean people are saying it's all about environment : it's a huge cope : environment helps but not that much
 
nah otherwise negger wouldn't gp bald
 
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