Does morality exist?

[enchanted_elixir]

Does morality exist?

 

[Klasik616]

Flawed question

 

[notsocommonthumb]

no only law exist

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Flawed question

Maybe.

 

[yyamann]

it does. there is shit that if people do, it should actually just strip them from the term human

 

[ey88]

It doesn’t exist, you only do good things for others because of the law, or because you want something in return

 

[ey88]

it does. there is shit that if people do, it should actually just strip them from the term human

Like?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Maybe Fyodor Dostoevsky and Friedrich Nietzsche were right.

 

[swt]

retarded question

obviously not, unless we’re talking about the man-made system then yeah obviously it exists

but realistically without men telling eachother what to do yeah no, it doesn’t exist and it’s literally common sense

 

[yyamann]

Like?

abusing children is a major one for me, you hear about shit some people do to children that are absolutely fucking animalistic and horrible

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Like?

Murdering someone because they pissed you off and called you something you don't like.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Like?

Stealing from the elderly because you can take advantage of them.

 

[Krisis]

It has to.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Like?

Political corruption.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Everything is relative, not just morality

 

[future slavic chad]

define existing. if we put value to it then it exists just like we value imaginary money. it doesnt have to materialize.

 

[Harold O'brien]

My two cents: morality is completely fabricated and made up just like math or science. But that doesn't mean it isn't useful

 

[enchanted_elixir]

define existing. if we put value to it then it exists just like we value imaginary money. it doesnt have to materialize.

In this context, existing is something with genuine substance (in our collective minds) worthy of high/absolute legitimacy. I'd even go further to say that it exists even outside of the physical world.

 

[future slavic chad]

In this context. Existing is something with genuine substance worthy of high legitimacy.

if you want it to exist in this case it exists, if you dont want it it doesnt exist. besides that i dont think theres a god looking out for morals

 

[NumbThePain]

I’m a little worried about your latest threads. Are you okay? You can talk to me

 

[enchanted_elixir]

if you want it to exist in this case it exists, if you dont want it it doesnt exist. besides that i dont think theres a god looking out for morals

I added an additional part to my definition, same answer?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I’m a little worried about your latest threads. Are you okay? You can talk to me

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I'm assessing the forum to see how it is doing morally.
And the Indian thing is just pointing out something true and seeing how people would react lol

 

[future slavic chad]

I added an additional part to my definition, same answer?

yea agree, its one of those fluid things

 

[ey88]

Murdering someone because they pissed you off and called you something you don't like.

Why is that bad?

 

[Klasik616]

I'm too bored to start a dissertation on ethics

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Why is that bad?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I'm too bored to start a dissertation on ethics

I don't have the energy or expertise.

 

[ey88]

Answer me, why is it bad to kill someone?

 

[Klasik616]

I don't have the energy or expertise.

It's useless cus morality won't convince someone who doesn't have enough feelings to understand it. The same way an artist can't convince you that his/her art is beautiful. Morality is not a type of knowledge, even if you had the "universal moral laws" there's nothing that can stop your freedom of avoiding them. What I know is that morality is not a being and there can't be an individual ethics "is not possible to harm or benefit yourself" aka personal development means absolutely nothing, I think Nietzsche is a retard for proposing an individual morality.

 

[Edgarpill]

Does morality exist?

Yes Christ is King, are u religious btw bro?

 

[jeremyy]

Does morality exist?

Idk

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Yes Christ is King, are u religious btw bro?

spiritual, kind of religious might be the best way to describe it.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Answer me, why is it bad to kill someone?

What's that one website where it films murders, someone?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Answer me, why is it bad to kill someone?

The answer is beyond words. I can just tell you it's obviously a bad thing to do.
It's like explaining in depth how one can recognize someone's face.

 

[noodlelover]

Yes morality is an emergent phenomenon of both culture and biology that has evolved so that we can more effectively cooperate in groups.

If you deviate from it, you will likely get caught no matter how smart you naively think you are, and be punished by the group.

 

[Edgarpill]

spiritual, kind of religious might be the best way to describe it.

are u into astral projection and reality shifting? if not u should research them and try them out really interesting

 

[Elmaestrooo]

No, there is no such thing as moral laws that must be followed, but in our minds it is very close to that because psychology and biology influence us on a moral or behavioral level very strongly

 

[ey88]

The answer is beyond words. I can just tell you it's obviously a bad thing to do.
It's like explaining in depth how one can recognize someone's face.

You can’t answer because morality doesn’t exist

Yes morality is an emergent phenomenon of both culture and biology that has evolved so that we can more effectively cooperate in groups.

If you deviate from it, you will likely get caught no matter how smart you naively think you are, and be punished by the group.

So then it’s morality, you are doing good for the benefit of yourself, not others

 

[FaceandBBC]

Luck is the only moral.

 

[noodlelover]

So then it’s morality, you are doing good for the benefit of yourself, not others

Mutual benefit. Win/Win type scenarios. Societies full of those who had genetic or cultural selfishness got wiped out.

Even Israel, who have genetic/cultural morality where they value each other, but not the lives of non-Israelis highly are at risk of getting wiped out because they are not morally evolved enough, to have high enough levels of empathy that extend to "outsiders".

 

[NumbThePain]

I'm assessing the forum to see how it is doing morally.
And the Indian thing is just pointing out something true and seeing how people would react lol

I’m always here for you. Stay strong brother

 

[kusaila]

Does morality exist?

Yes. It's observable hence it exists.

 

[ey88]

Yes. It's observable hence it exists.

Explain

 

[enchanted_elixir]

are u into astral projection and reality shifting? if not u should research them and try them out really interesting

I've heard and even tried once. it is kind of advanced for me.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Mutual benefit. Win/Win type scenarios. Societies full of those who had genetic or cultural selfishness got wiped out.

Even Israel, who have genetic/cultural morality where they value each other, but not the lives of non-Israelis highly are at risk of getting wiped out because they are not morally evolved enough, to have high enough levels of empathy that extend to "outsiders".

Do you think your average jew genuinely has deficient levels of empathy for outsiders?

 

[kusaila]

Explain

Depends which morality we're taking, you can argue whether morality is subjective and there's no universal moral truths.

But the fact is there is a evolutionary/biological basis, empathy and fairness can be present in other species. Working together for the collective best interest is also something humans are biologically inclined to and those who exist against this or in absence of this do exist but they're what we would call anomalies.

 

[noodlelover]

Do you think your average jew genuinely has deficient levels of empathy for outsiders?

They are blockading the entire country of Palestine from trade, causing mass starvation.

This blockade started when Hamas was democratically elected in 2007.

Israel immediately chose violence on an entire population instead of pursuing peace.

Their religion trains them to see non-Israeli's as lesser.

They constant cry about their own casualties, and never talk about the causalities that they have caused in Palestine. They are not intelligent enough to realize Palestinians have valid cause to inflict violence upon them, because they won't lift the blockade.

Not every Jew, but many of them.

 

[kyphoscoliosis]

Yes morality exists and demonstrably so across different times and cultures. But due to said variance of time and culture, the moralities of each are relative. Though there are overarching moral principles we developed through evolution, a rapidly expanding brain following the practice of agriculture and the subsequent abundance of food allowed for enhanced reasoning capabilities such that we can even have this discussion about morality (i.e. what it is as such, what good and evil are in the form of meta ethics etc.) and also our capability of empathy.