Does MSE advance the maxilla?

[Deleted member 10172]

Ok I understand MSE expands the maxilla, but it also advances it? and how many mm? Is it even enough to make a difference?

 

[spark]

yes dr. Ting said more than 0.5 mm but less than 1 mm

you can advance it more using a protraction device

 

[pizza]

according to my broscience you would need a device that in addition to expanding to the sides would also expand forward

 

[pizza]

yes dr. Ting said more than 0.5 mm but less than 1 mm

you can advance it more using a protraction device

what is this?

 

[Deleted member 6403]

if used with fm

 

[Deleted member 6403]

according to sim f its basically a weaker LF3

 

[Deleted member 10172]

yes dr. Ting said more than 0.5 mm but less than 1 mm

you can advance it more using a protraction device

so basically it's bullshit? Wait so how does MSE improve breathing so well if it only expands the upper jaw by only like 1mm?

How many mms is this transformation?

 

[spark]

what is this?

What is what?

 

[Deleted member 9467]

so basically it's bullshit? Wait so how does MSE improve breathing so well if it only expands the upper jaw by only like 1mm?

How many mms is this transformation?

thats like over 10mm

mse opens airways laterally which helps ur hormonal profile and increases t

 

[pizza]

What is what?

protaction device

 

[pizza]

thats like over 10mm

mse opens airways laterally which helps ur hormonal profile and increases t

legit

 

[spark]

protaction device

reverse pull headgear or a bone anchored protraction (BAMP)

 

[Deleted member 10172]

thats like over 10mm

mse opens airways laterally which helps ur hormonal profile and increases t

increases T???

also what would u recommend for improving the hyoid bone? or submental area?

do u really think its possible to get life changing results with bimax, I just don't think it is possible.

 

[Deleted member 10172]

thats like over 10mm

mse opens airways laterally which helps ur hormonal profile and increases t

A guy who said that, said it was roughly 4mm

 

[pizza]

also what would u recommend for improving the hyoid bone? or submental area?

any palate expander improve hyod bone,submental area is hyod+jaw bones,the wider and more projection you have, more bigger the ''vacuum''

 

[Deleted member 9467]

increases T???

also what would u recommend for improving the hyoid bone? or submental area?

do u really think its possible to get life changing results with bimax, I just don't think it is possible.

if that's u, u need bimax imo

get mse + facemask first though

hyoid raising is keeping your tongue in the right place (check out the mewing thread in BotB, but you'll need bimax to comfortably do that without shit neck posture

 

[spark]

increases T???

also what would u recommend for improving the hyoid bone? or submental area?

do u really think its possible to get life changing results with bimax, I just don't think it is possible.

more protraction = the higher the hyoid bone

there is a muscle that goes from the chin which is lifting the hyoid, if your mandible is recessed your hyoid is automatically going to be bad

 

[scalpel]

Nothing outside of surgery is going to make any significant change to your AP maxillary position once the majority of growth is complete (late teens).

 

[Deleted member 10172]

Nothing outside of surgery is going to make any significant change to your AP maxillary position once the majority of growth is complete (late teens).

Why?

 

[scalpel]

Why?

As growth completes, there is fusion of sutures at the skeletal level. Ability to modify them without surgery is incredibly limited. Contrary to the desperate face pulling efforts of some of the adults here, it simply doesn't happen to any significant degree.

 

[Babushkacatlady]

Your only shot of major maxillary movement after growth slows down enough is remodeling of the maxilla (on the cellular level) rather than actual movement (on a sutural level). There is some forward movement of the maxilla after any expansion acting on the suture like MSE of 2mm or less. This is without any facemask. Expansion moves the maxilla forward like this and the main point of resistance is the zygomatic buttress (see C and D):

 

[N1c]

As growth completes, there is fusion of sutures at the skeletal level. Ability to modify them without surgery is incredibly limited. Contrary to the desperate face pulling efforts of some of the adults here, it simply doesn't happen to any significant degree.

@betamanlet toughts?

 

[Soalian]

Hmm from reading some threads on this over the past hour or so, I wonder is SARPE wouldn't be a better option overall for post-puberty guys like me.

 

[betamanlet]

@betamanlet toughts?

True to an extent. It's difficult to move the maxilla, i.e. change its relationship with other bones of the skull, after growth is done. What remains possible, however, is changing the shape of the maxilla.

 

[Deleted member 10172]

True to an extent. It's difficult to move the maxilla, i.e. change its relationship with other bones of the skull, after growth is done. What remains possible, however, is changing the shape of the maxilla.

why does shape matter

 

[SOS-Sonic]

True to an extent. It's difficult to move the maxilla, i.e. change its relationship with other bones of the skull, after growth is done. What remains possible, however, is changing the shape of the maxilla.

I saw a post by John Mew the other day, saying that between 18-25 you can actually move the maxilla forward by 1-2mm per year with mewing, after 25 its about 1mm. I have seen this happen with dedicated mewers who were past puperty.

So I guess it is plausible that both forward growth and remodeling happens unless you are very old.

 

[kdntk]

@rrrrrr8526 "mse opens airways laterally which helps ur hormonal profile and increases t"
Is this true? Evidence?
Never heard that lateral width of maxilla / larger airways affect you hormonal profile and increases testosterone...

 

[Deleted member 10172]

@rrrrrr8526 "mse opens airways laterally which helps ur hormonal profile and increases t"
Is this true? Evidence?
Never heard that lateral width of maxilla / larger airways affect you hormonal profile and increases testosterone...

It doesn’t anyone who said that is retarded

 

[N1c]

It doesn’t anyone who said that is retarded

It affects the airways that is why people who have or fake sleep apnea gets it but the last part is indeed a bit pseudoscience