Does MSE increase facial width?

[ChaddeusPeuterschmit]

Will MSE make cheekbones protrude more and make face wider? Also how long do you wear MSE on average?

 

[Golden Glass]

Yes.

Expansion is roughly 90 days for 10mm. maybe a bit more.

 

[Hades]

Yes.
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Expansion is roughly 90 days for 10mm. maybe a bit more.

Holy shit that is a perfect comparison angle.

 

[MaxxedOut]

Yes.
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Expansion is roughly 90 days for 10mm. maybe a bit more.

Everytime I see this picture I can't help but notice how much thinner his nose looks. I tried comparing his videos from before MSE and after and I'm not sure I can tell much of a difference. Wouldn't MSE make the nose wider in theory

 

[Golden Glass]

Everytime I see this picture I can't help but notice how much thinner his nose looks. I tried comparing his videos from before MSE and after and I'm not sure I can tell much of a difference. Wouldn't MSE make the nose wider in theory

Yeah MSE widens the alar base (so the cartilage around the nostrils). And his definitely got wider.

His actual nasal bridge likely remained the same and you just see a difference due to light directly hitting it in the after. And he’s facing slightly more directly at the camera in the after—which ironically would make his cheekbone projection less prominent than it would be if her were at the exact same angle as the before.

 

[ChaddeusPeuterschmit]

Yeah MSE widens the alar base (so the cartilage around the nostrils). And his definitely got wider.

His actual nasal bridge likely remained the same and you just see a difference due to light directly hitting it in the after. And he’s facing slightly more directly at the camera in the after—which ironically would make his cheekbone projection less prominent than it would be if her were at the exact same angle as the before.

MSE can only be done on top jaw right? So would widening top jaw without widening lower jaw create asymmetry?

 

[needsolution]

Everytime I see this picture I can't help but notice how much thinner his nose looks. I tried comparing his videos from before MSE and after and I'm not sure I can tell much of a difference. Wouldn't MSE make the nose wider in theory

Yes but 30mm nose will look different on narrower face and different on wider face.

 

[Golden Glass]

MSE can only be done on top jaw right? So would widening top jaw without widening lower jaw create asymmetry?

1. Depends on how much wider your upper palate is than your lower. Ideally, it should be slightly wider anyways.
2. Assume you already have the ideal, if you don’t get a crazy amount of expansion done, then you can still have your upper be larger than your lower.
3. If you wanted to expand to the point where you have a dramatic difference between upper arch and lower, then you could either get

• an appliance like hyrax, dna, homeobloc, biobloc, etc. to expand the lower arch (won’t result in bone change, only lower arch increase),
• MSDO (more invasive, similar to an MSE for lower arch and chin—will result in increase in bone change)
• SFOT (not totally sure, but I believe it’s a procedure where you get bone implanted onto your arch and it helps more effectively move your teeth into this new bone)

I believe only MSDO will result in change in chin width (an appliance definitely won’t)

 

[ChaddeusPeuterschmit]

1. Depends on how much wider your upper palate is than your lower. Ideally, it should be slightly wider anyways.
2. Assume you already have the ideal, if you don’t get a crazy amount of expansion done, then you can still have your upper be larger than your lower.
3. If you wanted to expand to the point where you have a dramatic difference between upper arch and lower, then you could either get

• an appliance like hyrax, dna, homeobloc, biobloc, etc. to expand the lower arch (won’t result in bone change, only lower arch increase),
• MSDO (more invasive, similar to an MSE for lower arch and chin—will result in increase in bone change)
• SFOT (not totally sure, but I believe it’s a procedure where you get bone implanted onto your arch and it helps more effectively move your teeth into this new bone)

I believe only MSDO will result in change in chin width (an appliance definitely won’t)

Okay thanks. Would double jaw surgery be able to fix narrow jaw or would you need MSE and MSDO before jaw surgery?

 

[Golden Glass]

Okay thanks. Would double jaw surgery be able to fix narrow jaw or would you need MSE and MSDO before jaw surgery?

You could get a 3 piece Lefort, but even surgeons like @Sergio-OMS say MSE is better for this.

 

[ChaddeusPeuterschmit]

You could get a 3 piece Lefort, but even surgeons like @Sergio-OMS say MSE is better for this.

What would fix recessed maxilla, lower jaw, and narrow jaw? Lefort?

 

[MaxxedOut]

Yeah MSE widens the alar base (so the cartilage around the nostrils). And his definitely got wider.

His actual nasal bridge likely remained the same and you just see a difference due to light directly hitting it in the after. And he’s facing slightly more directly at the camera in the after—which ironically would make his cheekbone projection less prominent than it would be if her were at the exact same angle as the before.

I guess when your midface grows laterally the widening of your nasal base isn't so evident.

His results are amazing. It looks like he got implants. And yeah he is definitely more towards the camera in the after screengrab, it's too bad a 3/4ths view wasn't posted on his website for the before and after.

 

[Deleted member 4790]

You could get a 3 piece Lefort, but even surgeons like @Sergio-OMS say MSE is better for this.

Yes, not always but, if it is not a surgery fist case, in general I prefer to solve the transverse discrepancies presurgically (specially now that we have MSE) This approach allows for and easier surgery and with less risks, and the final result over the face and the smile are better.

 

[Elias]

Yes.
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Expansion is roughly 90 days for 10mm. maybe a bit more.

IS that only mse or Agga too

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Yeah MSE widens the alar base (so the cartilage around the nostrils). And his definitely got wider.

His actual nasal bridge likely remained the same and you just see a difference due to light directly hitting it in the after. And he’s facing slightly more directly at the camera in the after—which ironically would make his cheekbone projection less prominent than it would be if her were at the exact same angle as the before.

Is there a way to widen the nose bridge?

 

[OldRooster]

Everytime I see this picture I can't help but notice how much thinner his nose looks. I tried comparing his videos from before MSE and after and I'm not sure I can tell much of a difference. Wouldn't MSE make the nose wider in theory

nose looks the same to me

 

[Golden Glass]

Is there a way to widen the nose bridge?

I’d say a kind of rhinoplasty can.

 

[GarixTheChad]

If you want to get more bone remodeling make expansion longer and weaker

 

[WBC323]

Yes.
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Expansion is roughly 90 days for 10mm. maybe a bit more.

Does that mean your bizygomatic width gets expanded b 1 centimeter after 90 days? How much does your ipd expand?

 

[Golden Glass]

Does that mean your bizygomatic width gets expanded b 1 centimeter after 90 days? How much does your ipd expand?

No. Your palate will expand that much. And to make it simple, the farther from your upper palate the region in question is, the less it will expand. So your palate and maxilla will expand the most, then your mouth, then your nose and midface, then your under eye area and zygos, then your IPD.

IPD increase seems to vary.

 

[Hades]

No. Your palate will expand that much. And to make it simple, the farther from your upper palate the region in question is, the less it will expand. So your palate and maxilla will expand the most, then your mouth, then your nose and midface, then your under eye area and zygos, then your IPD.

IPD increase seems to vary.

The bizygomatic expands too. I had a palate expander, not even MSE, and my face is now wider by 8mm.

 

[Golden Glass]

The bizygomatic expands too. I had a palate expander, not even MSE, and my face is now wider by 8mm.

When did you get the palate expander and how old were you, and when did you measure the 8mm increase?

If used at a young enough age, a normal palate expander will also dramatically increase IPD.

 

[Hades]

When did you get the palate expander and how old were you, and when did you measure the 8mm increase?

If used at a young enough age, a normal palate expander will also dramatically increase IPD.

I got it at 18 years old. I measured with outside calipers before and after treatment, which took about a year. It increased my IPD, but only by 2mm.

 

[Golden Glass]

I got it at 18 years old. I measured with outside calipers before and after treatment, which took about a year. It increased my IPD, but only by 2mm.

Makes sense for you to have gotten much more BZW than IPD increase.
For IPD...At that age, we really can’t determine how much of an increase you would have gotten without it, it could have even been the exact same, since it was only a 2mm difference in IPD. I say this because since I got my eyes checked at a month shy of 18, my IPD was 67. I’m between 19-21, and my IPD is currently half a millimeter away from 70. Haven’t had a palate expander in that time, although I had one when I was around 12–thank god.

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Makes sense for you to have gotten much more BZW than IPD increase.
For IPD...At that age, we really can’t determine how much of an increase you would have gotten without it, it could have even been the exact same, since it was only a 2mm difference in IPD. I say this because since I got my eyes checked at a month shy of 18, my IPD was 67. I’m between 19-21, and my IPD is currently half a millimeter away from 70. Haven’t had a palate expander in that time, although I had one when I was around 12–thank god.

I do hope his increase in IPD was due to the palate expander. . . . .

 

[Deleted member 3202]

I got it at 18 years old. I measured with outside calipers before and after treatment, which took about a year. It increased my IPD, but only by 2mm.

@Hades , you're absolutely sure it increased you IPD and you're not misjudging it? I am thinking about getting a palate expander and I have a low IPD, so that's why I'm so curious about this.

 

[Hades]

@Hades , you're absolutely sure it increased you IPD and you're not misjudging it? I am thinking about getting a palate expander and I have a low IPD, so that's why I'm so curious about this.

Yeah I’m sure. I have to be measured by an optician every year for new contacts and glasses and it went up.

 

[Golden Glass]

@Hades , you're absolutely sure it increased you IPD and you're not misjudging it? I am thinking about getting a palate expander and I have a low IPD, so that's why I'm so curious about this.

Then you should get MSE in all honesty.

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Then you should get MSE in all honesty.

Well if the palate expander does this, then no need to spend 5-25k on MSE.

 

[Golden Glass]

Well if the palate expander does this, then no need to spend 5-25k on MSE.

The point would be that a palate expander only does a fraction of what MSE would do. So if you need more than 2mm IPD increase (which I think you do) I’d bet on MSE.

But a palate expander is better than nothing.

 

[Deleted member 3202]

The point would be that a palate expander only does a fraction of what MSE would do. So if you need more than 2mm IPD increase (which I think you do) I’d bet on MSE.

But a palate expander is better than nothing.

The reason why I'm hesitant on getting MSE is the price, and then the fact that it increases the alar base (mine's plenty big enough). But I'm probably just coping, I should probably just go ahead and save up for MSE.

 

[livelaughlooksmax]

MSE is cope

 

[Deleted member 3202]

MSE is cope

Please let this be a troll.