Does positive vector correlate with good under eye support?

[hunkymonkey69]

For example I have positive vector but still dark circles and droopy eyelids

 

[Deleted member 72630]

For example I have positive vector but still dark circles and droopy eyelids

You can have a positive orbital vector due to fat/ large bones but still have dark circles and droopy eyes due to a downward grown maxilla.

 

[The Heartless]

Yes

 

[hunkymonkey69]

You can have a positive orbital vector due to fat/ large bones but still have dark circles and droopy eyes due to a downward grown maxilla.

its over i cant even thumbpull to cope because itll make me even more compact than i already am and ill get sfs

 

[The Heartless]

Maybe you lack good quality sleep?

 

[hunkymonkey69]

Maybe you lack good quality sleep?

thats what i also think but i dont know how to get better sleep. i have good dreams, ive started to eat melatonin gummies before sleep, dark room, no sounds. yet i still wake up tired

 

[The Heartless]

thats what i also think but i dont know how to get better sleep. i have good dreams, ive started to eat melatonin gummies before sleep, dark room, no sounds. yet i still wake up tired

Don't eat before 2 hours before bed
Go to bed at the same exact time every day
Plus make sure room is the room is ventilated before bed

 

[hunkymonkey69]

Don't eat before 2 hours before bed
Go to bed at the same exact time every day
Plus make sure room is the room is ventilated before bed

does it matter how late i sleep as long as its at the same time and i get 8 hours of sleep?

 

[The Heartless]

does it matter how late i sleep as long as its at the same time and i get 8 hours of sleep?

Your body adapts to the same time and make its every day sleep routine. I noticed that when I go to sleep in different time I woke up tired

 

[hunkymonkey69]

Your body adapts to the same time and make its every day sleep routine. I noticed that when I go to sleep in different time I woke up tired

okay thanks for the info

 

[greycel]

You can have a positive orbital vector due to fat/ large bones but still have dark circles and droopy eyes due to a downward grown maxilla.

Droopy eyes is not to do with downward growth. I’m the most downward grown on the site but i don’t have sclera show and i got extreme PCT because that is to do with the shape of the infras

Do have dark circles cuz of recessed orbital vector, causing the fat loss around my eyes

Also orbital vector is due to bones, Sean o pry has a negative orbital vector despite good fat pads

 

[hunkymonkey69]

Droopy eyes is not to do with downward growth. I’m the most downward grown on the site but i don’t have sclera show and i got extreme PCT because that is to do with the shape of the infras

Do have dark circles cuz of recessed orbital vector, causing the fat loss around my eyes

Also orbital vector is due to bones, Sean o pry has a negative orbital vector despite good fat pads

so are you suggesting the dark circles is because of fat pads?

 

[greycel]

so are you suggesting the dark circles is because of fat pads?

intact periorbital fat pads would prevent dark circles from forming.
It could also be due to hyperpigmentation that some Indians and Africans have

Fat pads start to sag, when collagen/elastin levels drop and there is insufficient bone support from recession. The more downward grown you are the more recessed you will be.
Most people also confuse downward growth with a long midface or especially a larger gonial angle. The truth is that is not true

For example this guy is clearly not downgrown, whilst he has an unideal gonial angle:

Infact he has great craniofacial development

 

[hunkymonkey69]

intact periorbital fat pads would prevent dark circles from forming.
It could also be due to hyperpigmentation that some Indians and Africans have

Fat pads start to sag, when collagen/elastin levels drop and there is insufficient bone support from recession. The more downward grown you are the more recessed you will be.
Most people also confuse downward growth with a long midface or especially a larger gonial angle. The truth is that is not true

For example this guy is clearly not downgrown, whilst he has an unideal gonial angle:
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Infact he has great craniofacial development

i dont think my maxilla is downward grown i dont have any other signs of it. what would explain droopy eyes?

 

[greycel]

i dont think my maxilla is downward grown i dont have any other signs of it. what would explain droopy eyes?

Poor infra shape unfortunately. It is genetic, marry a girl who has no sclera show. Ideally one who has no sclera show despite not the best fat pads, as fat pads very slightly support undereyes
Which means her infra shape would be more than ideal

 

[Sens]

Underlying health issues can cause dark circles and droopy eyes for sure

 

[greycel]

Underlying health issues can cause dark circles and droopy eyes for sure

Poor thyroid function is the only thing that comes to mind
Nothing else would cause droopy eyes
Dark circles yes can be caused from too much caffeine consumption, lack of sleep hygiene, lack of vitamins etc

 

[hunkymonkey69]

Poor infra shape unfortunately. It is genetic, marry a girl who has no sclera show. Ideally one who has no sclera show despite not the best fat pads, as fat pads very slightly support undereyes
Which means her infra shape would be more than ideal

i have PCT though is it just not enough to stop droopy eyes

 

[greycel]

i have PCT though is it just not enough to stop droopy eyes

Droopy eyes are to do with infra shape. You can get a downturned medial canthus (the inner part of the eye being lower), and PCT from that
Or PCT from a higher lateral canthus (the outer part of the eye being higher)

The downturned medial canthus is also a result of good infra shape. It’s very very rare in men

This is what it looks like:

Look at Atesh Salih, brutal undereye fat pads but no sclera show because of good infra shape causing the inner part of his eye to be downturned too

 

[hunkymonkey69]

Droopy eyes are to do with infra shape. You can get a downturned medial canthus (the inner part of the eye being lower), and PCT from that
Or PCT from a higher lateral canthus (the outer part of the eye being higher)

The downturned medial canthus is also a result of good infra shape. It’s very very rare in men

This is what it looks like:
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Look at Atesh Salih, brutal undereye fat pads but no sclera show because of good infra shape causing the inner part of his eye to be downturned too

so its an infra and fat pad problem. thanks for the info bhai

 

[greycel]

so its an infra and fat pad problem. thanks for the info bhai

No worries but you can’t really fix infra shape, it won’t change the eye shape. You can however get fat grafts for undereyes to replenish them
Most Indians and Africans don’t have many fat cells there either due to fat distribution genetics

 

[hunkymonkey69]

No worries but you can’t really fix infra shape, it won’t change the eye shape. You can however get fat grafts for undereyes to replenish them
Most Indians and Africans don’t have many fat cells there either due to fat distribution genetics

yea i figured, ill try and get better sleep aswell im only 16 hopefully my infras develop some more i doubt it though honestly

 

[Allornothing]

but still have dark circles and droopy eyes due to a downward grown maxilla.

No.

 

[Allornothing]

Op you just have no undereye fat and you have round infras. Filler/cantho and it's fixed.