Does the idea that people who "do wrong" inevitably suffer a downfall only apply to those who are low sentience?

[6ft4]

I remember once playing a sports match at 10 years old where a player on the opposing team was trying to punch guys in the stomach every time he went into a tackle where people usually try to take the ball.
Late on in the match he got flattened by one of our players and was lying on the ground crying like a bitch for minutes until he got carried off.
After the match I was discussing it with my father and my father said that he got his comeuppance in the end and I asked what that term meant.

I dont recall if the player on our team who injured him was out to get him or if its was just a freak collision that happened unintentionally and could've happened to anyone
But it does make me wonder about how much of people suffering downfall after they first harm other people is simply due to them being too low sentience to realize they're painting a target on their back and the guys who they wronged will be out to get revenge.

If we assume the average criminal who's barely ever in financial profit and ends up in jail is low sentience and low IQ, is it fair to assume that they just weren't capable of discerning who they could fuck over and get away with it and who they couldn't get away with fucking over?
Is it a case that these guys simply cant cover their tracks and dont realize how much they're leaving themselves exposed by their actions?

If a high sentience guy decided he was going to meticulously plan his actions and only fuck people over or commit crimes where he was near guaranteed he could cover his tracks, is there a good chance that he wont meet his downfall because he simply runs probability game better and there isn't some karmic force that's always gonna catch up to him?

 

[abcd]

Probably the low sentience option. I don't fully believe in karma tbh, way too many bad people have good things happen to them and too many good people have bad things happen to them.

A guy I know fucked over another friend of mine and he never really got any comeuppance, though he could've cus the other guy was planning to attack him or something but never did it

 

[Alucard69]

'do wrong' is such a blanket term and can include pretty much everything, also getting into doing 'crimes' or whatever is heavily dependant on environment. But the smarter you are, the less chances you will get karma hitting you ofcourse, because of taking more calculated risks etc..

 

[Whatever]

Yes because "good" people, "bad" things, etc. is just someone's opinion, not fact. So the belief that the universe will side basically with your own opinions of moral judgment is low sentient and immature. As I got older my understanding of karma matured into it being more about awareness, you understand suffering that you might have caused when the same suffering happens to you. It's about empathy, not morality, empathy being much more real than morality. I believe there might be some Saturn or Shiva like force putting everything in its place but the real question is always how sustainable what someone's doing is.

 

[cooldude1231]

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[JohnDoe]

If you believe in Karma which is what you're talking about then it doesn't matter how well he plans his actions or covers his tracks, he's going to receive the just punishment sooner or later, it's unavoidable.

 

[AstroSky]

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I remember once playing a sports match at 10 years old where a player on the opposing team was trying to punch guys in the stomach every time he went into a tackle where people usually try to take the ball.
Late on in the match he got flattened by one of our players and was lying on the ground crying like a bitch for minutes until he got carried off.
After the match I was discussing it with my father and my father said that he got his comeuppance in the end and I asked what that term meant.

I dont recall if the player on our team who injured him was out to get him or if its was just a freak collision that happened unintentionally and could've happened to anyone
But it does make me wonder about how much of people suffering downfall after they first harm other people is simply due to them being too low sentience to realize they're painting a target on their back and the guys who they wronged will be out to get revenge.

If we assume the average criminal who's barely ever in financial profit and ends up in jail is low sentience and low IQ, is it fair to assume that they just weren't capable of discerning who they could fuck over and get away with it and who they couldn't get away with fucking over?
Is it a case that these guys simply cant cover their tracks and dont realize how much they're leaving themselves exposed by their actions?

If a high sentience guy decided he was going to meticulously plan his actions and only fuck people over or commit crimes where he was near guaranteed he could cover his tracks, is there a good chance that he wont meet his downfall because he simply runs probability game better and there isn't some karmic force that's always gonna catch up to him?

The issue with this problem you pose is the higher intelligence you are and more aware you become the more likely you wont do evil acts. Obviously psychopaths put a wrench in that but the more you become aware the better person you want to be. Basically ascending is literally just being better person. Physicaly. Mentally. If you can't do the mental part it just means you either got genetics working in not your favour and you gotta overcome it or fall victim to the millions who end up in jail and fall out of favour. Psychopathy is an old trait from our ancestors that is no longer something nature wants in the human genetic pool. If you have it. Your just a ticking time bomb unless you can overcome it and literally make the best of it. Those who let it take over just don't end up with lives that we want. Nearly all are in and out of jail. Never get to have children because they are in jail. It is what it is.

 

[JohnDoe]

Yes because "good" people, "bad" things, etc. is just someone's opinion, not fact. So the belief that the universe will side basically with your own opinions of moral judgment is low sentient and immature. As I got older my understanding of karma matured into it being more about awareness, you understand suffering that you might have caused when the same suffering happens to you. It's about empathy, not morality, empathy being much more real than morality. I believe there might be some Saturn or Shiva like force putting everything in its place but the real question is always how sustainable what someone's doing is.

Well said (except the shiva/saturn part which sounds absurd to me as i believe in God but each to their own).
Empathy over Morality so the person who did the so called wrong would then experience in one way or another a similar level of "suffering" so to speak so they understand what they have done to another soul. I guess this could be considered a learning experience and would (hopefully) result in emotional and spiritual maturity. it's unfortunate but really think most of the general population have a low EQ. Everyone these days is selfish and self-centered, they have no care for how they affect other human beings with their actions. Very low vibrational frequency and energy coming from most people. It's a little contradictory for me since My religion (Islam) does set out morals for me and to me they make perfectly logical sense so i adhere to them. But ultimately i do think karma if even real does not just exist to make the other person suffer, they need to learn and understand WHY they were wrong in doing what they did.
If you research Near-Death-Experiences (NDEs), a very common occurrence in these is a "Life Review", and long story cut short, you basically end up experiencing all the negative things you did in life but you are on the receiving end, you experience it from all the other peoples perspective/point of view so you truly understand how much of an effect your actions had on that person. A truly enlightening experience they say.
There's also the buddhist/hindu version of Karma/Samsara but i'd rather not go into that right now.

 

[Whatever]

Well said (except the shiva/saturn part which sounds absurd to me as i believe in God but each to their own).
Empathy over Morality so the person who did the so called wrong would then experience in one way or another a similar level of "suffering" so to speak so they understand what they have done to another soul. I guess this could be considered a learning experience and would (hopefully) result in emotional and spiritual maturity. it's unfortunate but really think most of the general population have a low EQ. Everyone these days is selfish and self-centered, they have no care for how they affect other human beings with their actions. Very low vibrational frequency and energy coming from most people.
If you research Near-Death-Experiences (NDEs), a very common occurrence in these is a "Life Review", and long story cut short, you basically end up experiencing all the negative things you did in life but you are on the receiving end, you experience it from all the other peoples perspective/point of view so you truly understand how much of an effect your actions had on that person. A truly enlightening experience they say.
There's also the buddhist/hindu version of Karma/Samsara but i'd rather not go into that right now.

Maybe the job of Shiva or Saturn is rolled into one God/Allah in the Abrahamic religions, it's somewhat easier for me personally to understand these things when they're separated. I've definitely heard stories of NDEs, I've known people who've done ayahausca which mimics an NDE and they got that out of it and it's completely life changing. I haven't had a legit NDE but I've been in several life threatening situations and in a way it's one of the best things that can happen to you, I'm infinitely more grounded because of it.

 

[ProBono]

'karmic force' is simply the self fulfilling prophecy of the desire for justice. Everybody views the world through their own lens of justice and wants to enact bastardised karma unto it.

Karmic force will never catch up to you if there is either A) no perceived slight, or B) no proximity to the slighted

So yes, the self fulfilling prophecy of 'karma' only affects those who are caught

You can see karma as human fallibility, that nobody can fully cover their tracks and avoid the influence of others

But people have outran justice countless times before, take the zodiac killer for example. Every single instance that we have physically available to us of karmic retribution is purely survivor's bias

 

[JohnDoe]

Maybe the job of Shiva or Saturn is rolled into one God/Allah in the Abrahamic religions, it's somewhat easier for me personally to understand these things when they're separated. I've definitely heard stories of NDEs, I've known people who've done ayahausca which mimics an NDE and they got that out of it and it's completely life changing. I haven't had a legit NDE but I've been in several life threatening situations and in a way it's one of the best things that can happen to you, I'm infinitely more grounded because of it.

I know NDEs are true because my sister experienced it when she flatlined after giving birth for about a minute, she saw the tunnel of light that people see but then doesn't remember much after that as the doctors zapped her back which she would have died if they didn't and i know she isn't lying. The meaning behind them is up for debate and everyone can interpret things their own way.
People who take DMT often see a lot of crazy shit. One often recurrent theme is the sighting of the preying mantis/mantid alien beings who apparently

 

[Shahnameh]

The liar’s punishment is that even when he speaks the truth, no one believes him (Sanhedrin 89b).

 

[Whatever]

I know NDEs are true because my sister experienced it when she flatlined after giving birth for about a minute, she saw the tunnel of light that people see but then doesn't remember much after that as the doctors zapped her back which she would have died if they didn't and i know she isn't lying. The meaning behind them is up for debate and everyone can interpret things their own way.
People who take DMT often see a lot of crazy shit. One often recurrent theme is the sighting of the preying mantis/mantid alien beings who apparently

Yes and a very interesting thing is that psychedelics and maybe even the "tunnel of light" NDE stuff doesn't show you anything external, it's all internal and already there deep within your mind, the psychedelics and NDEs are just like a key that unlocks it. So we have these "alien beings" deep within our minds. And how they got there and why they're there is the million dollar question.