Does this dirty bulking gymcel have any appeal to women?

[ChimpBall]

He's a 5'8 ethnic manlet with bloated moon face but he's pretty fucking big and jacked. What percentage of prime women would realistically be interested in him?

 

[surgerymogger]

no appeal at all, this guy descended so hard

 

[Saint Casanova]

He's a 5'8 ethnic manlet with bloated moon face but he's pretty fucking big and jacked. What percentage of prime women would realistically be interested in him?

Weak LTN face

 

[Mugwump]

of course not hes ugly + fat
everyone who understands female gaze knows dirty bulking is cope + only face matters

 

[castizo_ascender]

no appeal at all, this guy descended so hard

mogs me

 

[castizo_ascender]

of course not hes ugly + fat
everyone who understands female gaze knows dirty bulking is cope + only face matters

dirty bulking is something you should never do but body halo is legit asf. A jacked MTN is basically low HTN in smv

 

[hypernormie]

He’d have some appeal if he was at least 6’0 at 5’8 being that big just looks like you’re compensating

 

[Mugwump]

dirty bulking is something you should never do but body halo is legit asf. A jacked MTN is basically low HTN in smv

women literally dont give a shit about body
face is everything, i thought people knew that already

 

[hypernormie]

women literally dont give a shit about body
face is everything, i thought people knew that already

This is not true

It is true however that they do care significantly less about body than face

The uglier you are the less it matters how good your body is

And the better looking you are the same applies

With extreme bodies like the one above generally lowering appeal in both scenarios

 

[castizo_ascender]

women literally dont give a shit about body
face is everything, i thought people knew that already

JFL body/frame matters for smv too. Ofc it means shit if you're sub MTN but above that it is always a halo if you have an ideal or near ideal body

 

[Mugwump]

This is not true

It is true however that they do care significantly less about body than face

The uglier you are the less it matters how good your body is

And the better looking you are the same applies

With extreme bodies like the one above generally lowering appeal in both scenarios

nah just leanmaxed and become a skinny prettyboy rest is gigacope
u just need wide clavicles to framemog in clothes

 

[Mugwump]

JFL body/frame matters for smv too. Ofc it means shit if you're sub MTN but above that it is always a halo if you have an ideal or near ideal body

frame yea (bone structures). Muscles dont matter

 

[Julian23]

dirty bulking is something you should never do but body halo is legit asf. A jacked MTN is basically low HTN in smv

Mogged by an athletic physique with good frame

 

[ChimpBall]

dirty bulking is something you should never do but body halo is legit asf. A jacked MTN is basically low HTN in smv

Dirty bulking or bulking in general with more than like a 300 calorie surplus is just stupid and outdated at this point. You're gaining maybe 1 lbs of extra muscle for like 20 pounds of extra fat.

 

[castizo_ascender]

This is not true

It is true however that they do care significantly less about body than face

The uglier you are the less it matters how good your body is

And the better looking you are the same applies

With extreme bodies like the one above generally lowering appeal in both scenarios

Yeah same tho i'd say it's more of a bell curve with the biggest halo being at mtn-htn. Above that you get carried by face and below that you're cooked regardless.

Also your archetype/dimorphism affects it too. If you're dom then having a jacked body is basically a necessity while prettyboys can get by with being skinny

 

[castizo_ascender]

Mogged by an athletic physique with good frame

what's the point you're making jfl that is literally what i meant by good physique

 

[Mugwump]

Mogged by an athletic physique with good frame

lol its just his face

 

[castizo_ascender]

Dirty bulking or bulking in general with more than like a 300 calorie surplus is just stupid and outdated at this point. You're gaining maybe 1 lbs of extra muscle for like 20 pounds of extra fat.

Yeah that's why lean bulking is law

 

[Julian23]

what's the point you're making jfl that is literally what i meant by good physique

I was thinking by jacked you meant lots of muscle

 

[Mugwump]

Yeah same tho i'd say it's more of a bell curve with the biggest halo being at mtn-htn. Above that you get carried by face and below that you're cooked regardless.

Also your archetype/dimorphism affects it too. If you're dom then having a jacked body is basically a necessity while prettyboys can get by with being skinny

only being prettyboy matters, dom guys are ugly for ugly old roasties only

 

[castizo_ascender]

only being prettyboy matters, dom guys are ugly for ugly old roasties only

lemme guess you're a tails fan jfl

Prettyboy mogs tho ngl

 

[Julian23]

lol its just his face

and mogger frame

 

[Mugwump]

lemme guess you're a tails fan jfl

Prettyboy mogs tho ngl

tails ? I dont watch blackpill youtube videos. I dont see how its related to what I just said

 

[Mugwump]

and mogger frame

yeah that matters I agree. Just muscles = cope

 

[castizo_ascender]

tails ? I dont watch blackpill youtube videos. I dont see how its related to what I just said

bc tails glazes prettyboys lmfao

 

[Mugwump]

bc tails glazes prettyboys lmfao

Well hes right to glaze them ig
Theyre glazed by all women. Some ugly women cope saying they want ugly ogres but deep down every woman wants a prettyboy
I speak from my autistic scientific experiments (tinder, discord,etc), observations and women I know irl

 

[hypernormie]

nah just leanmaxed and become a skinny prettyboy rest is gigacope
u just need wide clavicles to framemog in clothes

This is just not true at all I’ve been a leanmaxxed pretty boy most of my life and got pussy and going to the gym still had a noticeably positive effect on my SMV and the way women treat me

 

[Mugwump]

This is just not true at all I’ve been a leanmaxxed pretty boy most of my life and got pussy and going to the gym still had a noticeably positive effect on my SMV and the way women treated me

but you had pussy before so it made no real difference

 

[hypernormie]

Yeah same tho i'd say it's more of a bell curve with the biggest halo being at mtn-htn. Above that you get carried by face and below that you're cooked regardless.

Also your archetype/dimorphism affects it too. If you're dom then having a jacked body is basically a necessity while prettyboys can get by with being skinny

No Chad with a top tier body is leagues above a MTN or HTN with a top tier body. At a certain level of facial aesthetics a good body puts you in Greek God, Captain America, fictional character level SMV

The thing is to not overdue it with steroids which many Chads who care about their body end up doing because they’re high T genetic specimens who get too addicted to mogging

 

[hypernormie]

but you had pussy before so it made no real difference

The difference is that women gave me pussy even easier than they did before (which was already pretty easy so that’s saying something,) were more sexually open and submissive and worshipped me more during and after sex. I also behaved more dominantly with women due to higher T and lower stress from lifting all the time. There’s literally no downside to going to the gym at any looks level.

Don’t let good be the enemy of great.

 

[Mugwump]

The difference is that women gave me pussy even easier than they did before (which was already pretty easy so that’s saying something,) were more sexually open and submissive and worshipped me more during and after sex. I also behaved more dominantly with women due to higher T and lower stress from lifting all the time. There’s literally no downside to going to the gym at any looks level.

Don’t let good be the enemy of great.

interesting.
well anyways you're a special case bc you were already a prettyboy.
A prettyboy should go to the gym but if youre not a prettyboy its useless

 

[hypernormie]

interesting.
well anyways you're a special case bc you were already a prettyboy.
A prettyboy should go to the gym but if youre not a prettyboy its useless

I wouldn’t say it’s useless but rather its value decreases with your facial aesthetics

A LTN with a top tier body usually isn’t going to change anything and may even work negatively because a great body bad face combo can often look like compensating and lower value. I’d still say it’s worth going to the gym for the mental and physical health benefits but I wouldn’t expect it to improve a LTN’s sex life.

A MTN with a top tier body is not drastically more valuable than a MTN with a strong social circle, status or money. It will occasionally skew results with women who are already into them but rarely will the body be the deciding factor for women who aren’t already interested.

A HTN-Chad with a top tier body is where the opposite happens and looks alone start to compensate for lack of other qualities such as social circle, money, status, etc. women may fuck these guys just for looking good as they begin to or fully embody a sexual fantasy.

 

[Mugwump]

I wouldn’t say it’s useless but rather its value decreases with your facial aesthetics

A LTN with a top tier body usually isn’t going to change anything and may even work negatively because a great body bad face combo can often look like compensating and lower value. I’d still say it’s worth going to the gym for the mental and physical health benefits but I wouldn’t expect it to improve a LTN’s sex life.

A MTN with a top tier body is not drastically more valuable than a MTN with a strong social circle, status or money. It will occasionally skew results with women who are already into them but rarely will the body be the deciding factor for women who aren’t already interested.

A HTN-Chad with a top tier body is where the opposite happens and looks alone start to compensate for lack of other qualities such as social circle, money, status, etc. women may fuck these guys just for looking good as they begin to or fully embody a sexual fantasy.

bro youre thinking too hard abt this shit
its just if youre prettyboy, you should dress well and gymmax
if youre not just surgerymaxx or ropemaxx

 

[Deusmaximus]

women literally dont give a shit about body
face is everything, i thought people knew that already

A lot of girls want a guy that looks protective and displays masculinity. Especially after the age of 20.
A skinny twink may look aesthetic on model pictures but is invisible in night club situations.

 

[hypernormie]

bro youre thinking too hard abt this shit
its just if youre prettyboy, you should dress well and gymmax
if youre not just surgerymaxx or ropemaxx

It seems rather you aren’t thinking hard enough about this “shit” which is why you have an inaccurate estimation of the value of muscles on sexual attraction

 

[Mugwump]

A lot of girls want a guy that looks protective and displays masculinity. Especially after the age of 20.
A skinny twink may look aesthetic on model pictures but is invisible in night club situations.

yea cuz they cant handle the prettymog theyre just jealous of prettymoy moggers

 

[Mugwump]

It seems rather you aren’t thinking hard enough about this “shit” which is why you have an inaccurate estimation of the value of muscles on sexual attraction

nah you think a guy whos below HTN can boost his appeal
I tell you not, its surgery or rope

 

[Mugwump]

yea cuz they cant handle the prettymog theyre just jealous of prettymoy moggers

tbh I find masculine guys look invisible and very common IRL
The few prettyboys ive seen in my life catched my eye and looked like gods

 

[hypernormie]

A lot of girls want a guy that looks protective and displays masculinity. Especially after the age of 20.
A skinny twink may look aesthetic on model pictures but is invisible in night club situations.

Exactly. Tails videos, TikTok eboys and the “female gaze” do not reflect the reality of irl sexual competition. In a nightclub a 5’10 Chadlite can get mogged to death by a 6’4 HTN with tats and a tan.

 

[hypernormie]

tbh I find masculine guys look invisible and very common IRL
The few prettyboys ive seen in my life catched my eye and looked like gods

If you weren’t so wrong this would have some merit but because you are this is probably just the result of latent homosexuality

 

[Mugwump]

Exactly. Tails videos, TikTok eboys and the “female gaze” do not reflect the reality of irl sexual competition. In a nightclub a 5’10 Chadlite can get mogged to death by a 6’4 HTN with tats and a tan.

nah you just feel more intimidated by him as a man cuz its instinctual you feel threatened by a taller guy
And he may get more mtb pussy with trashy tastes in a nightclub but in most situations

thats like saying a tatted tanned mtb with fat ass mogs a female supermodel like adriana lima lmao
no, its way too common

 

[Mugwump]

If you weren’t so wrong this would have some merit but because you are this is probably just the result of latent homosexuality

I can admire a mans beauty without sucking his cock, thats not gay
besides, as a man if you admire masc guys youre even more a faggot bc youre attracted to masculinity

 

[Mugwump]

the equivalent is like saying left mogs right IRL

 

[hypernormie]

nah you just feel more intimidated by him as a man cuz its instinctual you feel threatened by a taller guy
And he may get more mtb pussy with trashy tastes in a nightclub but in most situations

thats like saying a tatted tanned mtb with fat ass mogs a female supermodel like adriana lima lmao
no, its way too common

Clearly not and if you read my reply you would understand. If all you want is likes ok TikTok I would agree with you but that’s not the same as actually slaying irl.

Also it is not the same because the dynamics involved with sexual competition for men are different than for women. Men will fuck both regardless of who looks better, women will only fuck whoever mogs harder.

 

[Mugwump]

Exactly. Tails videos, TikTok eboys and the “female gaze” do not reflect the reality of irl sexual competition. In a nightclub a 5’10 Chadlite can get mogged to death by a 6’4 HTN with tats and a tan.

also you compared a chadlite's 5'10 height while I never mentionned height being cope
so its a bad comparison. Tall height matters
Im saying gymceling doesnt

 

[hypernormie]

also you compared a chadlite's 5'10 height while I never mentionned height being cope
so its a bad comparison. Tall height matters
Im saying gymceling doesnt

You must be retarded. The conversation is about who mogs who irl as a way of determining the value of muscles. It’s not about who is objectively better looking, you have created that strawman because you have lost the argument about the value of muscles.

If you want TikTok likes by all means look like a prepubescent anime character. I don’t deny that is an effective method for gaining female attention online.

 

[Mugwump]

Clearly not and if you read my reply you would understand. If all you want is likes ok TikTok I would agree with you but that’s not the same as actually slaying irl.

Also it is not the same because the dynamics involved with sexual competition for men are different than for women. Men will fuck both regardless of who looks better, women will only fuck whoever mogs harder.

No, IRL a good looking man will stand out much more than a gymmaxed ogre. Its common sense
Some weird bitches like ugly ogres, but prettyboys are conventionally attractive
If what you're looking for is slaying ugly bitches with breast implants, ok. Otherwise, no.
Women will pick the better looking guy, not the most T injected ogre

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

dirty bulking is something you should never do but body halo is legit asf. A jacked MTN is basically low HTN in smv

Some truth to this tbh, but only at the extrme with excellent body and htn is a twink

 

[hypernormie]

No, IRL a good looking man will stand out much more than a gymmaxed ogre. Its common sense
Some weird bitches like ugly ogres, but prettyboys are conventionally attractive
If what you're looking for is slaying ugly bitches with breast implants, ok. Otherwise, no.
Women will pick the better looking guy, not the most T injected ogre

Yeah and nobody ever said a good looking man is less attractive than a muscled ogre. I literally said the opposite.

Again you must be retarded because now you’re arguing something I’ve literally never said.

 

[Mugwump]

You must be retarded. The conversation is about who mogs who irl as a way of determined the value of muscles. It’s not about who is objectively better looking, you have created that strawman because you have lost the argument about the value of muscles.

If you want TikTok likes by all means look like a prepubescent anime character. I don’t deny that is an effective method for gaining female attention online.

No you;re the retarded one.
You compared a 5'10 chadlite to a 6'4 gymmaxed HTN. You have included an other parameter, which is height. Totally unfair comparison. The whole point was that gymceling adds little to no value.
And Im saying that a 6ft4 skinny prettyboy will mog a 6ft4 gymmaxed HTN every time