Dressing of women is not good indicator of female's chastity

[robtical]

I considering it modest(non-revealing) clothing vs revealing clothing

Modest clothing girl is like a conservative slut
-Knows premarital sex is immoral but does it anyways (hypocrite)
-Uses men and wants them to be in charge (aka use them as tool)
-Larps chaste(tradwife)

Even worse if she is "modest" while wearing body hugging clothes

I hate these type of women more. They are the shrewd and want to prey male's gullibility and desire for chaste wife. These are the type that shame you for being a man. Because acting like a "man" in that situation benefits them. I have seen such women and quite a lot of time they are "timid". I just see them using "timid" to manipulate conveniently. These are typing of girls that abuse male's competitiveness by actions such as public display of affection on her "bf"/husband, which can invoke jealousy in other men aka aggression toward her "partner",

Not only does her being virgin matters, but also be lookout for the character for LTR purposes. Don't end up with foid who uses virginity to shame you into staying. Virginity is EXPECTED, not a favor on you.

 

[Kek]

TL;DR: Had this happen, WILD.

I vent in this so just beware, I am understandably angry and anger is a natural human emotion. Just manage it holistically. I had to seek therapy.

I had this happen, actually, two years ago when I met a girl met me during bible study.
Basically what you describe in your post was her to a T. She led the group in worship, wore conservative clothes ("always gotta be aware, haha"), and swore she loved God. I assumed she wasn't lying because who would dedicate hundreds or even thousands of hours towards a delusion? It just didn't make sense to me why someone would waste their own time in private like that. Apparently, I was SUPER wrong

She was the one who came for me, and I later realized I was being used as a tool to satisfy her own egoic games. This included asking me to set boundaries for her with others instead of herself (basically using me as collateral), throwing away her faith to me in private and literally telling me she believes in natural selection, e.g. survival of the fittest, and throwing a fit when she wanted me to become her father (and not in the good way, the psychotic way where I'm somehow responsible for something she or her dad did before she even met me)

I was then formally discarded and I assume had my reputation slandered after doing my best to distance myself away. She used a mutual guy she knew I had problems with to communicate that, I assume (using him as collateral basically), and she's out doing the exact same thing again presumably.

I never allowed her to get as far as she wanted, and she probably noticed.

I'm good looking and was training as a boxer at the time, so survival of the fittest, had abs, could fight okay, good cardio, you get the idea. She was attracted to me sexually but said some phenomenally disgusting things that I just could not overlook, I also work slowly in that sense.

Her friend leaked a photo of her to me of when she would post thirst traps in her teens years on snapchat (her stories, apparently, but probably more if we're being real.) I was basically receiving used goods, repackaged by herself as something new, justified by being "born again" because Jesus. Even if she had not ever done anything, that one photo put me off. There is more, but this was a huge thing for me

I'm the last to slut shame a woman honest about her past, especially if she knows that is just something about herself. What I cannot tolerate is being lied to, and deceived. She said with no double meaning how she wasn't the type, and that she was a virgin who valued valuing her own body as a temple, etc. I would have never given her the time of day and would have just made her an acquaintance if she had even shown she used to do that with her new slate.

I had other girls at the time that were talking to me that likely were worse than what the photo of her suggested, but at least those women would be honest about their personalities, even apparent in their actions.

The girl didn't even own up to it, she just asked her friend why she shared it. Our friendship/talking phase devolved after and I would go on to not respond to her for days. It was the start of what she would probably term me turning "toxic." Unfortunately, I could no longer grant her the privileges women who are genuinely like that in my life are treated and what she deceived me in order to receive. And after doing my best asking for explanations (and getting nothing but empty words and her speaking like a politician) I made choices, in one way or another to cut it. It likely paid dearly in my name. Looking back, it was the right choice, but, I probably saw a part of her likely no one else did. She is known as a goody two shoes to absolutely everyone (except for her friend, I'm guessing) and I probably warrant a concerning risk to her absolutely fragile reputation (cosplaying as a Virgin Mary incarnate, even if lesser than, is difficult and will topple like a house of cards once found out to have been a long con: and an extremely very evil deception on another human being made by God.)

I got together with her and entertained her as an option precisely so I would not have to go through that, the world can be cruel. She was older than me, too. By two years.

 

[Chadeep]

@greycel

 

[LancasteR]

TL;DR: Had this happen, WILD.

I vent in this so just beware, I am understandably angry and anger is a natural human emotion. Just manage it holistically. I had to seek therapy.

I had this happen, actually, two years ago when I met a girl met me during bible study.
Basically what you describe in your post was her to a T. She led the group in worship, wore conservative clothes ("always gotta be aware, haha"), and swore she loved God. I assumed she wasn't lying because who would dedicate hundreds or even thousands of hours towards a delusion? It just didn't make sense to me why someone would waste their own time in private like that. Apparently, I was SUPER wrong

She was the one who came for me, and I later realized I was being used as a tool to satisfy her own egoic games. This included asking me to set boundaries for her with others instead of herself (basically using me as collateral), throwing away her faith to me in private and literally telling me she believes in natural selection, e.g. survival of the fittest, and throwing a fit when she wanted me to become her father (and not in the good way, the psychotic way where I'm somehow responsible for something she or her dad did before she even met me)

I was then formally discarded and I assume had my reputation slandered after doing my best to distance myself away. She used a mutual guy she knew I had problems with to communicate that, I assume (using him as collateral basically), and she's out doing the exact same thing again presumably.

I never allowed her to get as far as she wanted, and she probably noticed.

I'm good looking and was training as a boxer at the time, so survival of the fittest, had abs, could fight okay, good cardio, you get the idea. She was attracted to me sexually but said some phenomenally disgusting things that I just could not overlook, I also work slowly in that sense.

Her friend leaked a photo of her to me of posting thirst traps in her teens years on snapchat. I was basically receiving used goods, repackaged by herself as something new, justified by being "born again" because Jesus. Even if she had not ever done anything, that one photo put me off.

I'm the last to slut shame a woman honest about her past, especially if she knows that is just something about herself. What I cannot tolerate is being lied to, and deceived. She said with no double meaning how she wasn't the type, and that she was a virgin who valued valuing her own body as a temple, etc. I would have never given her the time of day and would have just made her an acquaintance if she had even shown she used to do that with her new slate.

I had other girls at the time that were talking to me that likely were worse than what the photo of her suggested, but at least those women would be honest about their personalities, even apparent in their actions.

The girl didn't even own up to it, she just asked her friend why she shared it. Our friendship/talking phase devolved after and I would go on to not respond to her for days. It was the start of what she would probably term me turning "toxic." Unfortunately, she lost the privileges women who are genuinely like that in my life are treated, and after doing my best asking for explanations (and getting nothing but empty words and her speaking like a politician) I made choices, in one way or another to cut it, and likely paid dearly in my name. I saw a part of her likely no one else did, and she is still known as a goody-two shoes to everyone (except the friend who ratted her out to me, probably)

I got together with her and entertained her as an option precisely so I would not have to go through that, the world can be cruel. She was older than me, too. By two years.

Just lol if you believe in these women actually love God and value the truth.
Religion is just another safety net for them.

 

[greycel]

@greycel

This is pretty interesting theory

What clothes a woman wears showing the type of person she is..

I read both what @robtical and @Kek said.

You guys are correct for some exceptions, but to generalise an entire group of women as non Conservative just because of the clothes they wear is bullshit...
Tell me then, what clothes would the actual virgin feminine submissive women be wearing?
If not non-revealing, you think the virgin women are going to be dressed in skimpy short skirts with their ass hanging out?

People say that the only true tell way to know how a girl is like, is not through what she says but what she does (her actions not her words).
But women are amazing at hiding their actions.. if they don't want you to know something you would never know

The only answer is by her friends actions. Look at how her friends act.. look at how they dress, how they talk, what they talk about.. more importantly are they virgins themselves.. if not, are they in a relationship or do they go to the club?

A woman is heavily influenced by her friends.. there's stories of religious women who were virgins and then married their husband.
But when the wife went to her new work, she made friends with her coworkers Karen and Janet (both single btw), who were secretly jealous of the wife's relationship and advised her to "let loose a bit and to come to the bar with them"..
The second you let these sorta women interfere with your girl and plant that seed in her mind, you will lose her
I've seen countless of these stories, and they all end with "it was just a mistake babe" or "it will never happen again".

This theory does hold some truth, but @Kek I assure you that if you think hard about it.. the friends of the religious girl you were talking to. They would be whores themselves too, I guarantee it

That's the ultimate way to tell and it works 99.9% of times
Not this bullshit "oh today she wore a floral dress "

Also I'll tell you something. The exceptions you talk about, work for the manipulative, smart women only. With female empowerment becoming mainstream and women being commended by society for acting like whores, they don't need to act innocent until they are looking for a guy to settle down with and marry.
If you don't make your intentions to either LTR or to STR, more often than not the woman will reveal her nature in conversation..
It will only be difficult if she is the first one showing feelings to you (and she is manipulative and smart), in which case she will act however she thinks will be the best way to attract you (normally Conservative).

 

[Kek]

@greycel

Thanks for the well thought out response.

I did not assume she was conservative because of her dress. She also had photos she shared with me of her praying in church when she was 5 or 6. Her parents were conservative, her culture was very patriarchal, she herself spent her personal time in outreach and worship. I was well aware at the time of smart, cunning and manipulative women who meld their personality into yours. Despite my best efforts, it seems I still fell into a trap and suffered because of it. What could I have done to have avoided it, though? The only solution would just be to give up on women?

I am lucky I never had sex with her. She had me alone is a car one time for 15 minutes, and I just deflected it moved what sexual tension there was onto something else

I had no history of her friends, she only had a best friend. She made a new friend that lived close to her. She went from dressing in short sleeve clothes to crop tops, changed her wallpaper from a bible quote to her hanging out with the new friend, and just in general, treating me like a dog. You have heard the tactics. Absolutely disgusting. God's wrath be upon her and all else responsible, and I mean it with no hesitation.

I was treated as if I was an idiot just because I was two years younger. Her friends were in worse off positions than I was at 18 despite being older and supported by their parents. I was homeless for a while and in stints ages 15-17.

What killed the relationship is that she knew I wasn't the sort of guy to bend a knee. She ironically admired that about me, even letting me know she found it rare for a man to stand up for what he believed in. I assume and noticed it went out the window when my morals applied to her, and it was not just an act to get girls. You have to act brave and rebellious, but actually not be brave and rebellious. This is the joke of our modern world.

I can attribute that new behavior to the new friend, who claimed to be Muslim. The new girl also admitted to being of SSRIs because she had depression and that she was mentally ill. Why a "well-adjusted" faithful Christian woman would make friends with such a fuck-up I'm honestly not sure. What I found out later on is that the my girl was similarly mentally sick, and that her and this new girl basically melded personalities.

I assume the new girl wanted to set my girl up with her brother. The worst thing is when you can do something, but you know it's set up against you. Once a system like that is put against you you will pay dearly for every action you take, it is evil incarnate. You can leave humiliated or pay with consequences if you don't fight it properly. Even if you win, you will pay with your time. I lost in all ways, but my silver lining is I came back better than ever before.

Since the entire debacle I grew taller, build 30lbs of muscle, am up $45,000, and have been accepted to one of the most prestigious public unis. I still remember going to bed with pains in my chest of how wronged and violated I felt, my heart literally feeling like it had shattered, tears running down my face, barely being able to breathe. I will never forget, not in my entire life. My future has yet to come. I will continue to persevere and achieve success for myself, my family, and any of my loved ones in the future. I will find a way, or I will make a way.

 

[Kek]