Dut Increases Estradiol Output in AAS Users

[ascension124]

On my first cycle (500 test) I was running finasteride and don’t need an AI, E2 sides were minimal.

On my second cycle when I switched to Dut, I started aromarizing a lot more because of increased 5ar inhibition, thus needed an AI.

So if you are on Dut expect to have higher E2 levels than being on Finasteride or on nothing at all.

If you are on TRT or natty the increased aromatization is not a concern, but if you are blasting you might need an AI.

Common E2 sides: Insomnia, moodiness, anger, high blood pressure

 

[Hexmask]

Bump. Had issues with this big time. I seem so sensitive to E2 now then before. First cycle with no 5ARI I didnt even need an Ai on 500 test

 

[ascension124]

Bump. Had issues with this big time. I seem so sensitive to E2 now then before. First cycle with no 5ARI I didnt even need an Ai on 500 test

Yeah man on fin it was so much easier. I had a few days of high BP but it was quickly resolved by taking baby aspirin. Now even with cardio + Telmisartan + coq10 + good diet I have to dose AI bc the aromatization is so much higher.

I started losing hair on my first cycle I was only running Fin and RU. But long term for AAS users Dut is needed, maybe even 2.5 Mg dut

 

[Hexmask]

Yeah man on fin it was so much easier. I had a few days of high BP but it was quickly resolved by taking baby aspirin. Now even with cardio + Telmisartan + coq10 + good diet I have to dose AI bc the aromatization is so much higher.

I started losing hair on my first cycle I was only running Fin and RU. But long term for AAS users Dut is needed, maybe even 2.5 Mg dut

Yeah for AAS users it’s a different ball game, clinically speaking however I’m pretty sure it’s nearly impossible to lose hair on 2.5mg dut if your in normal physiological levels of testosterone/DHT and you don’t have pre existing issues or deficiencies.

 

[overtier1011]

Looks like I am lucky to have 0 side effects

 

[ascension124]

Yeah for AAS users it’s a different ball game, clinically speaking however I’m pretty sure it’s nearly impossible to lose hair on 2.5mg dut if your in normal physiological levels of testosterone/DHT and you don’t have pre existing issues or deficiencies.

RU58841 has helped me a lot and can help a lot with non test compounds. It seems to give me more regrowth than Dut but Dut is the foundation

 

[20/04/2008]

On my first cycle (500 test) I was running finasteride and don’t need an AI, E2 sides were minimal.

On my second cycle when I switched to Dut, I started aromarizing a lot more because of increased 5ar inhibition, thus needed an AI.

So if you are on Dut expect to have higher E2 levels than being on Finasteride or on nothing at all.

If you are on TRT or natty the increased aromatization is not a concern, but if you are blasting you might need an AI.

Common E2 sides: Insomnia, moodiness, anger, high blood pressure

No even if natty you’ll get E2 sides
I’ve seen a guy get 105 E2 while natural after using Dutasteride and Ru and other shit he put on his scalp that i can’t recall

 

[ascension124]

No even if natty you’ll get E2 sides
I’ve seen a guy get 105 E2 while natural after using Dutasteride and Ru and other shit he put on his scalp that i can’t recall

How do you recommend combatting sleep issues in high test

 

[20/04/2008]

How do you recommend combatting sleep issues in high test

Had the same problem when i first started
It fixed itself naturally after like 2 weeks
What i woulf advise is using melatonin and try inhibiting cortisol with Otc and roids
And if it still doesn’t work then ill use a stack like this :
8. Circadian rhythms: (5x per week)

• 3 iu of of Pharma grade genotropin or Norditropin GH before bed.
• 10 mg of short release melatonin before bed.
• SR9009 injections upon rising when traveling.
• 100 mg Zinc picolinate
• 1.5 g of Magnesium bisglycinate
• 1g Phosphatedil serine
• 3g Glycine
• 3g Taurine
• 200 mg L theanine
• 50 mg of Picamilon
• 12.5 mg Agomelatind
• 7.5 mg Mirtazepind
• 0.5 mg Prazasocin
• 12.5 mg Benadryl

 

[ascension124]

Had the same problem when i first started
It fixed itself naturally after like 2 weeks
What i woulf advise is using melatonin and try inhibiting cortisol with Otc and roids
And if it still doesn’t work then ill use a stack like this :
8. Circadian rhythms: (5x per week)

• 3 iu of of Pharma grade genotropin or Norditropin GH before bed.
• 10 mg of short release melatonin before bed.
• SR9009 injections upon rising when traveling.
• 100 mg Zinc picolinate
• 1.5 g of Magnesium bisglycinate
• 1g Phosphatedil serine
• 3g Glycine
• 3g Taurine
• 200 mg L theanine
• 50 mg of Picamilon
• 12.5 mg Agomelatind
• 7.5 mg Mirtazepind
• 0.5 mg Prazasocin
• 12.5 mg Benadryl

How do you inhibit cortisol? With the compounds you listed?

 

[20/04/2008]

How do you inhibit cortisol? With the compounds you listed?

Ashwaganda for example ect… those supplements you can try meditation
If tha cope studf dont work the first month then you can go on medication

 

[ascension124]

Ashwaganda for example ect… those supplements you can try meditation
If tha cope studf dont work the first month then you can go on medication

Yeah meditation is helping also don’t recommend running BPC 157 throughout the cycle? I’m having some tendonitis issues

 

[ascension124]

Looks like I am lucky to have 0 side effects

Read the post this is for AAS users not nattys

 

[20/04/2008]

Yeah meditation is helping also don’t recommend running BPC 157 throughout the cycle? I’m having some tendonitis issues

500 mcg 2x per day
Tb-500 2mg 2x per week
(Dont use the oral form)

 

[20/04/2008]

Yeah for AAS users it’s a different ball game, clinically speaking however I’m pretty sure it’s nearly impossible to lose hair on 2.5mg dut if your in normal physiological levels of testosterone/DHT and you don’t have pre existing issues or deficiencies.

Boyos you could still hair even if you started Dut at 18