Dwellers here keep on conflating femininity and traditionalism/nondegeneracy (GOLDFISHCELS, DO NOT ENTER!)

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Frequently on this forum people say Eastern women’s personalities are more feminine than Western women’s.

Giant cope.

The guys who say that are conflating traditionalism and femininity.

They think the trad woman in the 1st pic is more feminine than the sluts in the 2nd pic:

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But this thinking doesn’t make sense.

Since femininity and masculinity are opposite sides of the same spectrum, if the party sluts are less feminine than the cooking woman, the party sluts must be more masculine than the cooking woman.

How are the party sluts more masculine?

The copers would say they’re acting promiscuously and that’s muh masculine behavior. But the manner in which the sluts express their promiscuity is the complete and utter opposite of masculine. What kind of man would touch his ass to another man’s ass? A feminine man, a gay man. Not a masculine man. None of those sluts’ behaviors are masculine; they’re all feminine.

The reality is: women’s personalities are not more masculine in 2023 than in the olden days. Just look at female behavior in modern society:

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muh muh muh they’re so much less feminine than this muh feminine housewife muh:

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The lady in the bottom pic is actually more masculine because she devoted her time to completing a task that requires effort and produces tangible value to her family. Male behavior! A trad housewife cooks and cleans even if she doesn’t feel like it, which means she puts her emotions aside to do what’s important. Male behavior!

The modern social media hoes in the top pics are far more feminine than the housewife is. The hoes put their emotions first and foremost. Utterly unmasculine. They indulge themselves in instant gratification and avoid hard work. The opposite of masculine behavior.

Dwellers here ought to realize that modern women are still feminine but just in a different form. This different form is what liberals call liberated and what conservatives call degenerate. It’s a modernized form of femininity.

Both masculinity and femininity have traditionalistic and modernistic forms. Here’s a chart with a masc–fem horizontal axis and a trad–modern vertical axis that classifies men and women into 4 types, 1 per quadrant:

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TL;DR: Modern/Western women have a more sexualized, vain, and morally degenerate form of femininity than traditional/Eastern women have. Modern/Western women are not less feminine. Modern/Western women are actually more feminine because of the sheer intensity of their feminine self-expression. On the other hand, the feminine activities of traditional women in the olden days (cooking, cleaning, etc.) incorporated elements of masculinity (such as putting feelings aside to focus on doing the work that needs to be done).
 
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Not a molecule but mirin the dedication.
 
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Fuarkkkk. @thecel finally returns to his Dr. Jekyll giga high iq scientific persona after months in his tranny Mr/Ms Hyde deranged form.
 
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Fuarkkkk. @thecel finally returns to his Dr. Jekyll giga high iq scientific persona after months in his tranny Mr/Ms Hyde deranged form.

I’m still transitioning tho
 
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Mirin writin skill but DNRD a word
 
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Worthless and stupid thread with shit subject matter
 
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How feminine or masculine degen behavior is irrelevant. Still abhorrent behavior

Dwellers here need to separate femininity and nondegeneracy. They cope that Eastern women are ideal cus muh they mo feminine bro. When the real issue with Western women isn’t a lack of femininity but rather that femininity has changed for the worse.

Western/modern women aren’t abhorrent because they’re masculine (they aren’t). They’re abhorrent because they’re feminine (even hyper-feminine) in a very abhorrent fashion.

People who’re anti abhorrent behavior need to be aiming at the right target. The target is the abhorrence of modern Western culture. The target isn’t a lack of femininity or an excess of masculinity in women.
 
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Who gives a shit. Tradcopers are retarded, who cares what is traditional or not.
 
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Dwellers here need to separate femininity and nondegeneracy. They cope that Eastern women are ideal cus muh they mo feminine bro. When the real issue with Western women isn’t a lack of femininity but rather that femininity has changed for the worse.

Western/modern women aren’t abhorrent because they’re masculine (they aren’t). They’re abhorrent because they’re feminine (even hyper-feminine) in a very abhorrent fashion.

People who’re anti abhorrent behavior need to be aiming at the right target. The target is the abhorrence of modern Western culture. The target isn’t a lack of femininity or an excess of masculinity in women.
Even if they express their feminine nature in degen ways they're still less feminine now because they want to compete with men and believe they can. It's not the promiscuous behavior (this is just a human trait)
 
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i like sluts
 
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It's masculine to be part of hookup culture. Women are meant to want stable monogamous relationships, not getting pumped and dumped by Chads which is why they are always crying on TikTok about fuckboi chads who don't commit.
 
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It's masculine to be part of hookup culture. Women are meant to want stable monogamous relationships, not getting pumped and dumped by Chads which is why they are always crying on TikTok about fuckboi chads who don't commit.
It’s not masculine to participate in hook up culture it’s just basic hypergamy. Fuck as many chads as you can find to hopefully lock one down. They cry on TikTok because men don’t feel like living in and no longer have to live in a eat or be eaten society where the winner takes all. Modern society relies heavily on average men getting to participate in the reproductive game and women no longer want to live by the rules of that game and would rather average men just lose out entirely. They follow their instinct and chase after top tier men who don’t want to settle down because that’s what has been most advantageous throughout evolution. They also cry on Tik Tok because social media has made them think they have access to top percentile chads without realizing that the kind of promiscuity that drives them all to seek the top 20% of men only works in small groups where those men would actually be able to provide for the offspring. In a larger society those chads won’t actually inseminate them most of the time because those men don’t want to or are incapable of paying the child support for the 50+ kids they would have if they did. Chads didn’t evolve to take care of kids, they evolved to impregnate tons of women and have the tribe do most of the childcare while provided indirectly through hunting. Nowadays he’s forced to actually be a parent and the provision needs are much greater in modern society than just bringing home an antelope every now and then. It’s also because women have bought into the socially constructed idea of “love” which is just evolutions way of ensuring childcare. The hunters (or chads) didn’t fall in love, they just spread their seed far and wide with as many women as possible and nowadays women are expecting these men to settle down with them and fall in “love” for no reason. As Max Stirner would say, they are following a “spook” an idea with no reality. In an open and free sexual marketplace chads have no need for “love” and betas realize love is conditional. Women then find out that pursuing their instinctual desire to ruthlessly try and get inseminated by top tier males makes them less attractive to lower tier males for the reasons stated above. A lot of men no longer feel the need to buy into the socially constructed male gender norms of providing for women who didn’t have the self control or respect to follow their socially constructed female gender norms of chastity and fidelity to one man.

The women are trying to play both games which ends up in a lot of them losing. It’s incredibly Machiavellian in that sense. Women want the benefits of abandoning social gender norms to behave instinctively and chase top tier men and when they fail they want to return to the benefits of socially constructed gender norms with the men that are left over. Some women will succeed in this but a lot of them won’t, which is why you see them crying on Tik Tok. Men are becoming more aware to the game and are refusing to play. Men are also beginning to realize the dangers and asymmetrical value distribution that is marriage.

They can’t have chad even though they search desperately for him because society makes reproduction too complicated and costly (necessarily) so Chads reproductive strategy of inseminating tons of women and letting others care for them is negated. Chad also has access to more pussy now than ever before so he’s going a bit crazy due to the abundance and just enjoying indulging his instincts. Plus he’s also not built for the socially constructed idea of monogamy.

Their standards are too high due to social media delusion and unrestricted hypergamy so most men don’t even make the cut which leads to a lot of women not wanting to settle down when they should.

Sex is no longer a scarce resource so it’s value has dropped immensely and the majority of women have no other redeeming characteristics that would even incentivize top tier men to give up sexual freedom and settle down. Lower tier men also realize all most women have to offer is sex so they feel also feel the value exchange isn’t equal, they see what the top tier men get and would rather try and get that than settle with some entitled and delusional used up roastie who doesn’t want to cook and clean and will take half his shit in divorce court.

They are having a harder time securing betas who now resent them for pursuing such a cut throat reproductive strategy only to come back to them later when it fails. The veil of “love” has been destroyed through women’s actions and that veil was the only thing that gave them any sexual power over men.

It’s an evolutionary mismatch of desires, incentives and the current environment that makes them sad and alone, not a result of behaving in a masculine way.

Women are in fact behaving more feminine than they ever have and their reckless pursuit of their evolutionary strategy and an unrestricted sexual marketplace has disqualified many of them from the receiving the benefits of a more tempered and restricted one. A lot of women realize this too late.

If women were like men they wouldn’t complain about being old and alone, they would just devote their energy to an interest, achieve something great, leave a mark on history and then die. But they can’t do that, they didn’t evolve to be that way. The sexual marketplace doesn’t reward that behavior in women the same way it does for men as men only evolved that way to compete for resources and obtain greater access to women. Women wanted to enter the workforce which was just a way for them to liberate themselves to pursue their own sexual strategy without male interference. Now that they are accomplished and financially and sexually free they realize that that freedom comes with a cost, which is competition, and the kind of competition they want to engage in is simply not suitable for ending up in a long term committed relationship in a modern world with all its burdens and obligations.

Female power was built on male fantasy and women have obliterated that fantasy at the first opportunity with no thought of what that would entail (I’m obviously speaking metaphorically here) now many women are desperately trying to rebuild that fantasy so they can have some degree of control but it’s a losing endeavor. The value was never tangible and never real. Dorothy (men) have peaked behind the curtain and are seeing for the first time in history that it was all smoke and mirrors.
 
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Sex is no longer a scarce resource so it’s value has dropped immensely
It's no longer scarce for Chad it is for the bottom 80%
They are having a harder time securing betas who now resent them for pursuing such a cut throat reproductive strategy only to come back to them later when it fails.
I disagree with this. Men have high sex drives and want sex and companionship. The feeling of having sex and a woman cuddle with you is one of the highest pleasures in life, beta provider billy will marry girls at 30 even if they've been ran through by Chads.
 
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It's no longer scarce for Chad it is for the bottom 80%

I disagree with this. Men have high sex drives and want sex and companionship. The feeling of having sex and a woman cuddle with you is one of the highest pleasures in life, beta provider billy will marry girls at 30 even if they've been ran through by Chads.
Yeah I can’t disagree with this. However women are having a harder time finding billy beta’s to settle down with because they are starting to not even want them either.

A lot of women want to settle down but doesn’t want to lower their standards. Kevin Samuels made a good display of this.

Women initiate 70% of divorces with a 50% chance of getting divorced. A lot of those women crying on Tik Tok had a billy beta and divorced him.

The current meta is chase chad until your 30-35 then try and find a billy beta who she will probably end up divorcing in 7-8 years only to re enter the dating market and complain about being single.

Or find a billy beta instead of chasing chad and still end up divorcing and then re enter the dating market and complain about how hard it is to find a man.

A lot of these women are their own worst enemies. For the reasons I stated before it’s only getting harder not easier for women to be satisfied with long term commitment.
 
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Good read.

Do you ever see good looking males talk shit about western women? of course not, that's a exclusive incel thing.
Incels are parasites and have the iq of a ant.

Luckyly incels are joining a incel pest control extermination group known as mgtow and exterminating themselves from the gene pool.
 
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Yeah I can’t disagree with this. However women are having a harder time finding billy beta’s to settle down with because they are starting to not even want them either.

A lot of women want to settle down but doesn’t want to lower their standards. Kevin Samuels made a good display of this.

Women initiate 70% of divorces with a 50% chance of getting divorced. A lot of those women crying on Tik Tok had a billy beta and divorced him.

The current meta is chase chad until your 30-35 then try and find a billy beta who she will probably end up divorcing in 7-8 years only to re enter the dating market and complain about being single.

Or find a billy beta instead of chasing chad and still end up divorcing and then re enter the dating market and complain about how hard it is to find a man.

A lot of these women are their own worst enemies. For the reasons I stated before it’s only getting harder not easier for women to be satisfied with long term commitment.
True but I think the main thing holding back women is their own standards, not men refusing to be beta providers like you think.

I know it's hard for people here who've never had a gf but the intimacy and daily sex and love you feel is very addicting. Men will never not want it, and Billy beta will settle if he has too.

Female intimacy will make you change your whole belief system. There are redpill YouTubers who shit on single moms all day then end up marrying a 35 hear old single mom because she shows them love, warmth, intimacy, validation, and sex. It's almost impossible to reject this, I can't describe it, female intimacy it's like a drug and makes you addicted.
 
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True but I think the main thing holding back women is their own standards, not men refusing to be beta providers like you think.

I know it's hard for people here who've never had a gf but the intimacy and daily sex and love you feel is very addicting. Men will never not want it, and Billy beta will settle if he has too.

Female intimacy will make you change your whole belief system. There are redpill YouTubers who shit on single moms all day then end up marrying a 35 hear old single mom because she shows them love, warmth, intimacy, validation, and sex. It's almost impossible to reject this, I can't describe it, female intimacy it's like a drug and makes you addicted.

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It is brutal. The only thing keeping me going is escorts who mimic the intimacy of a loving woman. This and the sex plus female touch they provide gives me so much dopamine.

I have no idea how people here go for years without sex or female touch. I would go literally insane from touch starvation.
 
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no such thing as trad, only thing that should exist is an androcentric society where men coom in whores and go back to their virgin wife and upper cut her if she didn't put enough salt on the food.
 
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no such thing as trad, only thing that should exist is an androcentric society where men coom in whores and go back to their virgin wife and upper cut her if she didn't put enough salt on the food.
Is this life in Italy, @the BULL ?
 
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Frequently on this forum people say Eastern women’s personalities are more feminine than Western women’s.

Giant cope.

The guys who say that are conflating traditionalism and femininity.

They think the trad woman in the 1st pic is more feminine than the sluts in the 2nd pic:

becca-tapert-RjmGzTg4_mw-unsplash.jpg
H0dc6uEdZdfaXkcBaxcVHhKGawYW4J_aeQxyTQFFpFw.jpg


But this thinking doesn’t make sense.

Since femininity and masculinity are opposite sides of the same spectrum, if the party sluts are less feminine than the cooking woman, the party sluts must be more masculine than the cooking woman.

How are the party sluts more masculine?

The copers would say they’re acting promiscuously and that’s muh masculine behavior. But the manner in which the sluts express their promiscuity is the complete and utter opposite of masculine. What kind of man would touch his ass to another man’s ass? A feminine man, a gay man. Not a masculine man. None of those sluts’ behaviors are masculine; they’re all feminine.

The reality is: women’s personalities are not more masculine in 2023 than in the olden days. Just look at female behavior in modern society:

maxresdefault.jpg
onlyfans-model-weidrest-dms-comp-1.jpg


muh muh muh they’re so much less feminine than this muh feminine housewife muh:

file-20200207-27557-11lter3.jpg


The lady in the bottom pic is actually more masculine because she devoted her time to completing a task that requires effort and produces tangible value to her family. Male behavior! A trad housewife cooks and cleans even if she doesn’t feel like it, which means she puts her emotions aside to do what’s important. Male behavior!

The modern social media hoes in the top pics are far more feminine than the housewife is. The hoes put their emotions first and foremost. Utterly unmasculine. They indulge themselves in instant gratification and avoid hard work. The opposite of masculine behavior.

Dwellers here ought to realize that modern women are still feminine but just in a different form. This different form is what liberals call liberated and what conservatives call degenerate. It’s a modernized form of femininity.

Both masculinity and femininity have traditionalistic and modernistic forms. Here’s a chart with a masc–fem horizontal axis and a trad–modern vertical axis that classifies men and women into 4 types, 1 per quadrant:

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TL;DR: Modern/Western women have a more sexualized, vain, and morally degenerate form of femininity than traditional/Eastern women have. Modern/Western women are not less feminine. Modern/Western women are actually more feminine because of the sheer intensity of their feminine self-expression. On the other hand, the feminine activities of traditional women in the olden days (cooking, cleaning, etc.) incorporated elements of masculinity (such as putting feelings aside to focus on doing the work that needs to be done).
was water for me but hope this will explain the shallow low iq mofos the truth. women are waaay feminine nowadays they tryna be naked if possible 24/7
 
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Incels are parasites and have the iq of a ant.

Incels are much more intelligent than average.

IQ and sexual activity are inversely correlated.
 
Incels are much more intelligent than average.

IQ and sexual activity are inversely correlated.

brutal noreplypill
 
Yep more feminine, also due to fact they do all this for more male(chad) attention
 
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Frequently on this forum people say Eastern women’s personalities are more feminine than Western women’s.

Giant cope.

The guys who say that are conflating traditionalism and femininity.

They think the trad woman in the 1st pic is more feminine than the sluts in the 2nd pic:

becca-tapert-RjmGzTg4_mw-unsplash.jpg
H0dc6uEdZdfaXkcBaxcVHhKGawYW4J_aeQxyTQFFpFw.jpg


But this thinking doesn’t make sense.

Since femininity and masculinity are opposite sides of the same spectrum, if the party sluts are less feminine than the cooking woman, the party sluts must be more masculine than the cooking woman.

How are the party sluts more masculine?

The copers would say they’re acting promiscuously and that’s muh masculine behavior. But the manner in which the sluts express their promiscuity is the complete and utter opposite of masculine. What kind of man would touch his ass to another man’s ass? A feminine man, a gay man. Not a masculine man. None of those sluts’ behaviors are masculine; they’re all feminine.

The reality is: women’s personalities are not more masculine in 2023 than in the olden days. Just look at female behavior in modern society:

maxresdefault.jpg
onlyfans-model-weidrest-dms-comp-1.jpg


muh muh muh they’re so much less feminine than this muh feminine housewife muh:

file-20200207-27557-11lter3.jpg


The lady in the bottom pic is actually more masculine because she devoted her time to completing a task that requires effort and produces tangible value to her family. Male behavior! A trad housewife cooks and cleans even if she doesn’t feel like it, which means she puts her emotions aside to do what’s important. Male behavior!

The modern social media hoes in the top pics are far more feminine than the housewife is. The hoes put their emotions first and foremost. Utterly unmasculine. They indulge themselves in instant gratification and avoid hard work. The opposite of masculine behavior.

Dwellers here ought to realize that modern women are still feminine but just in a different form. This different form is what liberals call liberated and what conservatives call degenerate. It’s a modernized form of femininity.

Both masculinity and femininity have traditionalistic and modernistic forms. Here’s a chart with a masc–fem horizontal axis and a trad–modern vertical axis that classifies men and women into 4 types, 1 per quadrant:

View attachment 2061537



TL;DR: Modern/Western women have a more sexualized, vain, and morally degenerate form of femininity than traditional/Eastern women have. Modern/Western women are not less feminine. Modern/Western women are actually more feminine because of the sheer intensity of their feminine self-expression. On the other hand, the feminine activities of traditional women in the olden days (cooking, cleaning, etc.) incorporated elements of masculinity (such as putting feelings aside to focus on doing the work that needs to be done).
All of this thread is true especially the promiscuity part. Anyone who says being promiscuous is “masculine” is fucking brain damaged, it’s the opposite it’s literally feminine. This explains why sluts and guys who get laid a lot always act overly feminine while incels are way more likely to have masculine tough hateful personalities.
 
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the sluts acting like sluts is just foid nature uninhibited by traditional norms. this is why awalt. all wymxn want to get dicked down by hundreds of cocks in a day, the difference is only modern society has made that possible through contraception and blind absolution, simpery, and total subsidization of degeneracy.
 
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