E-plane > Forward Growth

[Deleted member 2012]

People here are blackpilled on forward growth, but most users don’t seem to fully grasp the esthetic plane (aka Rickett’s plane)

It’s very simple. It explains the ideal position of the lips in relation to the nose and the chin.

If a line is drawn from the tip of the nose from the tip of the chin, the lips should stay behind this line, the lower lip 2mm behind and the upper lip 4mm.

The E-plane is arguably more important than forward growth.

This is what good forward growth looks like without a good E plane:

This is what a good E plane looks like without forward growth:

But of course ideally you’d want to have both:

This is the main reason whites have better side profiles on average

Europeans have less prominent teeth, more prominent noses and more prominent chins.

The perfect recipe for the lips to comfortably sit behind the line.

Africans and Asians on average have more prominent teeth. And how much the lips protrude is determined by the teeth. The more protrusive the teeth, the more protrusive the lips.

 

[Chintuck22]

I was searching through whole forum yesterday for this chin convexity chart

Can someone post it here, i need it for consultation with surgeon. It literally looks like image below, with silhouettes

 

[Deleted member 7776]

mods put this in the best of the best section

 

[reptiles]

People here are blackpilled on forward growth, but most users don’t seem to fully grasp the esthetic plane (aka Rickett’s plane)

It’s very simple. It explains the ideal position of the lips in relation to the nose and the chin.

If a line is drawn from the tip of the nose from the tip of the chin, the lips should stay behind this line, the lower lip 2mm behind and the upper lip 4mm.

View attachment 772410

The E-plane is arguably more important than forward growth.

This is what good forward growth looks like without a good E plane:

View attachment 772408

This is what a good E plane looks like without forward growth:

View attachment 772422

But of course ideally you’d want to have both:

View attachment 772425

This is the main reason whites have better side profiles on average

View attachment 772418

Europeans have less prominent teeth, more prominent noses and more prominent chins.

The perfect recipe for the lips to comfortably sit behind the line.

Africans and Asians on average have more prominent teeth. And how much the lips protrude is determined by the teeth. The more protrusive the teeth, the more protrusive the lips.

The e plane is realted to forward growth so how does this have anything do with whites beinf seperior again? You do realize all this plance means is that your nasal tip lins with your chin are you trying to say all blacks ahave recessed chins

 

[Deleted member 2012]

The e plane is realted to forward growth so how does this have anything do with whites beinf seperior again? You do realize all this plance means is that your nasal tip lins with your chin are you trying to say all blacks ahave recessed chins

Why do low iq people always turn your argument into an absolute claim?

I was talking about average facial traits across races, not making generalizations

 

[Chintuck22]

mods put this in the best of the best section

Shit thread tbh i don't want it the BoB

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Bruh I got prognatism with a hyper projected chin idk if I’d be able to measure it well

 

[everythingmatters]

How to avoid ruining the eplane with bimax and genioplasty? From what I see it would be like that, right? eplane + foward growth> no eplane + foward growth> eplane + no foward growth

 

[Deleted member 6785]

agreed, this is me 1 and half year ago
i had good forward growth but my eplane was subhuman

 

[oatmeal]

agreed, this is me 1 and half year ago
i have good forward growth but my eplane is subhuman
View attachment 804255

I have neither, pm if u wanna see

 

[TheOutkastt]

how can you improve it? i wanna get surgery so my prognathism can become orthognathic

 

[Swolepenisman]

Mine is closer to second

 

[AscendingHero]

@Kingkellz
@Lorsss
@Gargantuan
@Alexanderr
@knajjd


BEST OF THE BEST ASAP

 

[AscendingHero]

@Kingkellz
@Lorsss
@Gargantuan
@Alexanderr
@knajjd


BEST OF THE BEST ASAP

@Chintuck22 why the wtf reaction jfl

 

[Chintuck22]

@Chintuck22 why the wtf reaction jfl

You give me wtf reaction - i give you back
You give me another wtf - i'll give it back

You will not accomplish anything this way, my reaction is basically my feedback to you lol

 

[AscendingHero]

Shit thread tbh i don't want it the BoB

JFL this is more than BOTB material

 

[Chintuck22]

JFL this is more than BOTB material

My humble and personal opinion is expressed in this thread.

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

@MisterMercedes had a thread about face convex and the ideal angle

i hope to fix this by expanding my upper and low mouth so my teeth can tilt inward so i stop looking like a dinosaur brain
@goat2x do you think it's possible with sarpe and msdo? have you done shaving between your lower teeth yet?

 

[goat2x]

@MisterMercedes had a thread about face convex and the ideal angle

i hope to fix this by expanding my upper and low mouth so my teeth can tilt inward so i stop looking like a dinosaur brain
@goat2x do you think it's possible with sarpe and msdo? have you done shaving between your lower teeth yet?

i got it done at the orthodontists office

 

[Alexanderr]

Just another reason for blacks to get bimaxillary protrusion treatment.

Her side profile became significantly more attractive just because of it.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Just another reason for blacks to get bimaxillary protrusion treatment.
View attachment 1094244

Her side profile became significantly more attractive just because of it.

I love how you gave yourself all these glowy colors everywhere mogs me are you by any chance the second admin on is btw

 

[Alexanderr]

I love how you gave yourself all these glowy colors everywhere mogs me are you by any chance the second admin on is btw

Yeah, I’m just playing around with the colors. I’m a regular mod btw, @Chad1212 is admin

 

[cardiologist]

Brutal, you really do need to check off all the boxes to be GL. Good post.

 

[Birdcell]

Brutal, you really do need to check off all the boxes to be GL. Good post.

I have it and look shit from front , side profile barely does have any impact , granted you're not recessed

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

So thats why my forward growth looks so uncanney and chimp like?

 

[Birdcell]

So thats why my forward growth looks so uncanney and chimp like?

View attachment 1577289

Maybe because of lips protrusion ?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Maybe because of lips protrusion ?

Yes, i have big niggerlips and a receding nigger chin

 

[Birdcell]

Yes, i have big niggerlips and a receding nigger chin

Nah. Just big lips

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Nah. Just big lips

I appreciate it boyo, but im frauding my chin with a goatee.

Thanks for telling me that its working

 

[WenomWenom]

I think I have the e problem. check the last pic

what surgery procedures should I do??