Electronic bone stimulators for heightmaxxing? (Pubertycels)

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Ok, this is going to sound stupid but, my dad broke a bone in his hand playing basketball. And he has a cast on and for some reason his bone isn't really healing that much. But he was talking about how if it doesn't heal/grow, the doctors will use some electric bone stimulator (or something like that) to make the bone grow and heal again. (Like the vibrations or electric shock or whatever will make the bones grow) And I was thinking, if this thing can somehow stimulate your bones to heal in a fracture, could it also stimulate your bones to just grow more WHILE you are in puberty? :unsure:

From what I have seen from my research, it seems to increase osteoblasts (responsible for building new bone tissue) and reduces osteoclasts (responsible for breaking down bone tissue).

I remember seeing several threads about vibration and how it may improve bone growth. I don't know, what do you guys think about this? Also, do any of you know what treatment my dad was talking about?
 
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Microneedling mogs honesty
 
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VLX said:
Yeah but isn't that for hair? Like you can't really microneedle your bones. :forcedsmile:
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Ur facial bones not that deep directly 0.1 cm under skin
 
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elemanzelvadre said:
Ur facial bones not that deep directly 0.1 cm under skin
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yeah but isn't there like veins and muscles under the skin before the bones? like if you are trying to reach the bones, you would probably bleed, right? and i wasn't rly planning on using this for facemaxxing, mostly for heightmaxxing. but now that you mention it, it could also improve my face. (The bone growth stimulators)
 
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yeah but isn't there like veins and muscles under the skin before the bones? like if you are trying to reach the bones, you would probably bleed, right? and i wasn't rly planning on using this for facemaxxing, mostly for heightmaxxing. but now that you mention it, it could also improve my face. (The bone growth stimulators)
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Take winstrol for height
 
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whats a bone growth stimulators

A bone growth stimulator is a medical device designed to enhance the healing process of fractured or surgically repaired bones. It typically uses electrical, ultrasonic, or electromagnetic stimulation to promote bone regeneration and speed up the healing process. These devices are often used when bone healing is delayed, incomplete, or impaired due to conditions like osteoporosis, smoking, or previous fractures.
Bone growth stimulators can be external (worn over the affected area) or internal (implanted during surgery). They are commonly prescribed for conditions like:
  • Delayed union or nonunion fractures
  • Spinal fusion surgery
  • Stress fractures or injuries with compromised healing potential
They are safe and non-invasive when external, making them a convenient option for patients.


what exactly do they do? like how do electrical, ultrasonic, or electromagnetic stimulation translate to faster bone healing?



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Bone growth stimulators work by leveraging physical signals—electrical currents, ultrasonic waves, or electromagnetic fields—that mimic or enhance the body’s natural healing processes. Here’s how each type functions:

1. Electrical Stimulation​

  • What it does: Delivers a small electrical current to the injured bone.
  • How it helps: Bones generate electrical fields naturally during mechanical stress (e.g., walking), which signal bone cells to grow and repair. Electrical stimulators mimic this natural process, encouraging bone-building cells (osteoblasts) to produce new bone while inhibiting bone-resorbing cells (osteoclasts).

2. Ultrasonic Stimulation​

  • What it does: Sends low-intensity, pulsed ultrasound waves to the fracture site.
  • How it helps: The ultrasonic energy improves cellular communication and increases the expression of proteins that facilitate bone formation and mineralization. It also enhances blood flow, which delivers nutrients essential for healing.

3. Electromagnetic Stimulation​

  • What it does: Generates pulsed electromagnetic fields (PEMFs) around the fracture.
  • How it helps: These fields penetrate bone tissue and stimulate cellular activity by affecting ion channels, increasing calcium uptake, and triggering pathways that enhance the production of bone matrix proteins, like collagen.

Why These Work​

  • Bone is a dynamic tissue that constantly remodels in response to mechanical and biochemical signals.
  • Bone stimulators amplify or mimic these signals, "jumpstarting" the healing process in cases where natural healing is delayed or incomplete.
By promoting cellular activity and enhancing nutrient delivery, these methods accelerate the repair process and improve the overall quality of the regenerated bone.

4o


You said:​

Theoretically could this technology be used increase the size of a bone in a healthy bone?

ChatGPT said:​


Theoretically, bone growth stimulation technologies could influence bone size in healthy individuals, but this would depend on several biological and mechanical factors, and it is far from straightforward. Here's a breakdown of the possibilities and challenges:

Why It Could Work​

  1. Bone's Natural Adaptability
    Bone is dynamic and responds to mechanical stress through remodeling (e.g., Wolff's Law), where increased stress stimulates bone growth and density. Electrical, ultrasonic, or electromagnetic stimulation mimics or enhances natural bone growth signals, so it might encourage new bone formation even in healthy bones.
  2. Precedents in Bone Healing
    In non-healing fractures or spinal fusions, stimulators have demonstrated their ability to form new bone, suggesting the underlying mechanisms could theoretically be applied to healthy bones.

Challenges​

  1. Regulation of Bone Growth
    • Bone growth is tightly regulated by the body to maintain structural integrity. Simply stimulating cells may not lead to controlled or proportional growth.
    • Without a fracture or injury, the body might "ignore" the stimulus, as the need for growth is absent.
  2. Targeting Shape and Size
    • Bone stimulators promote general bone repair but are not designed to control specific growth patterns (e.g., length or width).
    • Excessive or uneven growth could lead to deformities, joint misalignment, or biomechanical issues.
  3. Plate Closure in Adults
    • In adults, the growth plates (epiphyseal plates) in long bones close after puberty, making lengthwise bone growth impossible. Any effects would be limited to increasing thickness or density.
  4. Ethical and Safety Concerns
    • Overstimulating bone cells could theoretically increase the risk of abnormal growths, like bone spurs or even tumors.
    • Long-term effects of prolonged stimulation in healthy individuals are unknown.

Practical Applications?​

In a research or experimental setting, such technologies might one day be used for:
  • Cosmetic or reconstructive purposes: Enhancing bone size in specific areas (e.g., jaw, cheekbones).
  • Orthopedic augmentation: Increasing bone mass or strength in individuals prone to fractures.
However, the ability to reliably and safely increase bone size in healthy individuals would require significant advancements in understanding bone biology and precision delivery of stimulation.
 
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Asked ChatGPT about it:
whats a bone growth stimulators

A bone growth stimulator is a medical device designed to enhance the healing process of fractured or surgically repaired bones. It typically uses electrical, ultrasonic, or electromagnetic stimulation to promote bone regeneration and speed up the healing process. These devices are often used when bone healing is delayed, incomplete, or impaired due to conditions like osteoporosis, smoking, or previous fractures.
Bone growth stimulators can be external (worn over the affected area) or internal (implanted during surgery). They are commonly prescribed for conditions like:
  • Delayed union or nonunion fractures
  • Spinal fusion surgery
  • Stress fractures or injuries with compromised healing potential
They are safe and non-invasive when external, making them a convenient option for patients.


what exactly do they do? like how do electrical, ultrasonic, or electromagnetic stimulation translate to faster bone healing?

​

​

​

Bone growth stimulators work by leveraging physical signals—electrical currents, ultrasonic waves, or electromagnetic fields—that mimic or enhance the body’s natural healing processes. Here’s how each type functions:

1. Electrical Stimulation​

  • What it does: Delivers a small electrical current to the injured bone.
  • How it helps: Bones generate electrical fields naturally during mechanical stress (e.g., walking), which signal bone cells to grow and repair. Electrical stimulators mimic this natural process, encouraging bone-building cells (osteoblasts) to produce new bone while inhibiting bone-resorbing cells (osteoclasts).

2. Ultrasonic Stimulation​

  • What it does: Sends low-intensity, pulsed ultrasound waves to the fracture site.
  • How it helps: The ultrasonic energy improves cellular communication and increases the expression of proteins that facilitate bone formation and mineralization. It also enhances blood flow, which delivers nutrients essential for healing.

3. Electromagnetic Stimulation​

  • What it does: Generates pulsed electromagnetic fields (PEMFs) around the fracture.
  • How it helps: These fields penetrate bone tissue and stimulate cellular activity by affecting ion channels, increasing calcium uptake, and triggering pathways that enhance the production of bone matrix proteins, like collagen.

Why These Work​

  • Bone is a dynamic tissue that constantly remodels in response to mechanical and biochemical signals.
  • Bone stimulators amplify or mimic these signals, "jumpstarting" the healing process in cases where natural healing is delayed or incomplete.
By promoting cellular activity and enhancing nutrient delivery, these methods accelerate the repair process and improve the overall quality of the regenerated bone.

4o


You said:​

Theoretically could this technology be used increase the size of a bone in a healthy bone?

ChatGPT said:​


Theoretically, bone growth stimulation technologies could influence bone size in healthy individuals, but this would depend on several biological and mechanical factors, and it is far from straightforward. Here's a breakdown of the possibilities and challenges:

Why It Could Work​

  1. Bone's Natural Adaptability
    Bone is dynamic and responds to mechanical stress through remodeling (e.g., Wolff's Law), where increased stress stimulates bone growth and density. Electrical, ultrasonic, or electromagnetic stimulation mimics or enhances natural bone growth signals, so it might encourage new bone formation even in healthy bones.
  2. Precedents in Bone Healing
    In non-healing fractures or spinal fusions, stimulators have demonstrated their ability to form new bone, suggesting the underlying mechanisms could theoretically be applied to healthy bones.

Challenges​

  1. Regulation of Bone Growth
    • Bone growth is tightly regulated by the body to maintain structural integrity. Simply stimulating cells may not lead to controlled or proportional growth.
    • Without a fracture or injury, the body might "ignore" the stimulus, as the need for growth is absent.
  2. Targeting Shape and Size
    • Bone stimulators promote general bone repair but are not designed to control specific growth patterns (e.g., length or width).
    • Excessive or uneven growth could lead to deformities, joint misalignment, or biomechanical issues.
  3. Plate Closure in Adults
    • In adults, the growth plates (epiphyseal plates) in long bones close after puberty, making lengthwise bone growth impossible. Any effects would be limited to increasing thickness or density.
  4. Ethical and Safety Concerns
    • Overstimulating bone cells could theoretically increase the risk of abnormal growths, like bone spurs or even tumors.
    • Long-term effects of prolonged stimulation in healthy individuals are unknown.

Practical Applications?​

In a research or experimental setting, such technologies might one day be used for:
  • Cosmetic or reconstructive purposes: Enhancing bone size in specific areas (e.g., jaw, cheekbones).
  • Orthopedic augmentation: Increasing bone mass or strength in individuals prone to fractures.
However, the ability to reliably and safely increase bone size in healthy individuals would require significant advancements in understanding bone biology and precision delivery of stimulation.
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do you know if any research and development has been done to this end?

Research and development efforts have explored the use of bone growth stimulation technologies for enhancing bone size in healthy individuals, particularly in cosmetic and reconstructive contexts. Notable examples include:

1. Osteogenesis Modulation for Mandibular Enhancement

  • Technique: A surgically implanted, battery-operated device delivers customized electrical pulses to stimulate bone growth in the mandible (lower jaw).
  • Clinical Findings: A study involving patients with mandibular hypoplasia (underdeveloped jaw) demonstrated that this method effectively induced symmetrical bone growth, leading to improved aesthetic outcomes.
    SpringerLink
2. In Vivo Bioreactors for Bone Regeneration

  • Approach: Creating a confined space within the body that hosts a tissue scaffold and key biomolecules to promote new bone tissue growth.
  • Application: This method has been investigated for reconstructing bone defects by harnessing the body's natural healing processes to generate new bone in situ.
    Wikipedia
3. Bone Morphogenetic Proteins (BMPs) in Orthopedic Augmentation

  • Function: BMPs are growth factors that play a crucial role in bone formation and healing.
  • Clinical Use: Recombinant human BMPs, such as BMP-2 and BMP-7, have been utilized to promote bone growth in various orthopedic procedures, including spinal fusions and the treatment of non-union fractures.
    Wikipedia
These advancements indicate a growing interest in applying bone growth stimulation technologies beyond traditional healing purposes, aiming to enhance bone size and structure in healthy individuals for both cosmetic and reconstructive objectives.



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do you know if any research and development has been done to this end?

Research and development efforts have explored the use of bone growth stimulation technologies for enhancing bone size in healthy individuals, particularly in cosmetic and reconstructive contexts. Notable examples include:

1. Osteogenesis Modulation for Mandibular Enhancement

  • Technique: A surgically implanted, battery-operated device delivers customized electrical pulses to stimulate bone growth in the mandible (lower jaw).
  • Clinical Findings: A study involving patients with mandibular hypoplasia (underdeveloped jaw) demonstrated that this method effectively induced symmetrical bone growth, leading to improved aesthetic outcomes.
    SpringerLink
2. In Vivo Bioreactors for Bone Regeneration

  • Approach: Creating a confined space within the body that hosts a tissue scaffold and key biomolecules to promote new bone tissue growth.
  • Application: This method has been investigated for reconstructing bone defects by harnessing the body's natural healing processes to generate new bone in situ.
    Wikipedia
3. Bone Morphogenetic Proteins (BMPs) in Orthopedic Augmentation

  • Function: BMPs are growth factors that play a crucial role in bone formation and healing.
  • Clinical Use: Recombinant human BMPs, such as BMP-2 and BMP-7, have been utilized to promote bone growth in various orthopedic procedures, including spinal fusions and the treatment of non-union fractures.
    Wikipedia
These advancements indicate a growing interest in applying bone growth stimulation technologies beyond traditional healing purposes, aiming to enhance bone size and structure in healthy individuals for both cosmetic and reconstructive objectives.



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so do you think it would be good to try?
 
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VLX said:
how old r u rn and do u think there could be any downsides? also what is ur source for this stuff gonna be?
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Im 24 and yes there are risks some of which chatgpt outlined above.
 
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Bonesmash your tibias and then plug in a rose toy so your growth plates get stimulated
 
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