Elevating your IGF-1 levels can lead to Norwooding...

[Lawton88]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.70053

Sounds like elevating IGF-1 is playing with fire when it comes to your hair follicles and can accelerate hair loss as follicles are destroyed more quickly. It alters follicle homeostasis degrading them more quickly.

 

[EliDKing]

hair system bro.... hair system

 

[thereallegend]

No it can't.

IGF1 is a growth hormone. It speeds the growth of ALL cells.

Hair loss is from heavy metal toxicity, gluten, lack of nutrients and blood flow.

 

[Lawton88]

No it can't.

IGF1 is a growth hormone. It speeds the growth of ALL cells.

Hair loss is from heavy metal toxicity, gluten, lack of nutrients and blood flow.

It says it can and does in that paper. It appears to be saying elevated levels prematurely age the hair follicles by causing senescence etc.

 

[pahadi mogger]

No it can't.

IGF1 is a growth hormone. It speeds the growth of ALL cells.

Hair loss is from heavy metal toxicity, gluten, lack of nutrients and blood flow.

IGF-1 overdrive fries hair follicles by exhausting stem cells via p53/senescence - proven in the study. Your 'heavy metals' theory ignores the clear mechanism
chronic IGF-1
stem cell burnout
hair loss.
DR/senolytics reversed it.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

Reminder that the best way to keep IGF-1 low is a low carb diet. Lots of retards think carnivore raises IGF-1 due to the protein because healthline articles say protein raises IGF-1. However, protein only raises IGF-1 in the context of high insulin/high carbohydrate. On a high protein low carb diet, insulin will be low and consequently IGF-1 will follow.
It's the only real option for a true anti-aging diet.

 

[pahadi mogger]

Reminder that the best way to keep IGF-1 low is a low carb diet. Lots of retards think carnivore raises IGF-1 due to the protein because healthline articles say protein raises IGF-1. However, protein only raises IGF-1 in the context of high insulin/high carbohydrate. On a high protein low carb diet, insulin will be low and consequently IGF-1 will follow.
It's the only real option for a true anti-aging diet.

wrong. protein spikes igf-1 even without carbs - especially animal protein. precious steak floods the system with leucine, which mtorc1 can't resist activating. insulin just greases the wheels. low-carb carnivore? enjoy slightly lower igf-1 than a sugar addict but still higher than a fasting monk. true anti-aging? fast 20hrs daily or go vegan.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

wrong. protein spikes igf-1 even without carbs - especially animal protein. precious steak floods the system with leucine, which mtorc1 can't resist activating. insulin just greases the wheels. low-carb carnivore? enjoy slightly lower igf-1 than a sugar addict but still higher than a fasting monk. true anti-aging? fast 20hrs daily or go vegan.

major cope
i've tested my IGF-1 and it is below average
fasting is cool but vegan rots the body
is not viable

 

[pahadi mogger]

major cope
i've tested my IGF-1 and it is below average
fasting is cool but vegan rots the body
is not viable

congrats on your mid IGF-1 levels . your logic ignores leucine’s direct mTORC1 activation, which spikes IGF-1 independent of insulin. bloodwork? cute.

post 52 weekly fasted draws or stop flexing a single data point like it’s gospel. fasting drops IGF-1 hard, and veganism only ‘rots’ gains for those who can’t meal prep beyond raw liver.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

congrats on your mid IGF-1 levels . your logic ignores leucine’s direct mTORC1 activation, which spikes IGF-1 independent of insulin. bloodwork? cute.

post 52 weekly fasted draws or stop flexing a single data point like it’s gospel. fasting drops IGF-1 hard, and veganism only ‘rots’ gains for those who can’t meal prep beyond raw liver.

veganism turns your entire body to glycated trash. it's not viable.

 

[pahadi mogger]

veganism turns your entire body to glycated trash. it's not viable.

glycation isn’t a vegan issue - it’s a heat+animal fat issue. seared meat creates advanced glycation end products (AGEs) that plants don’t. vegan diets lower baseline blood sugar, reducing glycation risk.
protein? plants have it.
b12? supplement.
igf-1? plant protein’s lower leucine blunts mtorc1 activation.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

glycation isn’t a vegan issue - it’s a heat+animal fat issue. seared meat creates advanced glycation end products (AGEs) that plants don’t. vegan diets lower baseline blood sugar, reducing glycation risk.
protein? plants have it.
b12? supplement.
igf-1? plant protein’s lower leucine blunts mtorc1 activation.

glycation is a carb/sugar issue

exogenous AGEs are mostly passed. AGEs in the body are mostly caused by endogenous production, which is why vegetarians tend to have higher levels of them. Not to mention that the most notorious of them like glucosepane are endogenously produced as well from sugar.

anyways I don't eat cooked meat so not an issue. staying carnivore also keeps my blood sugar at a constant 70-80mg/dl with no spikes ever, and eating raw meat keeps my diet high in stuff like carnosine to help prevent glycation in the first place.
I do fast and think it's good, but for actual eating, carbs are fucking poison

 

[pahadi mogger]

glycation is a carb/sugar issue

exogenous AGEs are mostly passed. AGEs in the body are mostly caused by endogenous production, which is why vegetarians tend to have higher levels of them. Not to mention that the most notorious of them like glucosepane are endogenously produced as well from sugar.

anyways I don't eat cooked meat so not an issue. staying carnivore also keeps my blood sugar at a constant 70-80mg/dl with no spikes ever, and eating raw meat keeps my diet high in stuff like carnosine to help prevent glycation in the first place.
I do fast and think it's good, but for actual eating, carbs are fucking poison

AGEs aren’t just sugar’s fault

yes, your body makes some AGEs from glucose. but grilled meats dump way more exogenous AGEs into your system than any lentil. vegans eat low-heat plants - their total AGE load is lower. you’re blaming sugar while chugging steak-char carcinogens.

raw meat = pathogen roulette

congrats on avoiding seared AGEs. enjoy the salmonella, E. coli, and parasites.

carnosine? plants have beta-alanine (mushrooms, soy) - synthesize your own damn carnosine.

stable blood sugar doesn't mean good health

flat glucose lines are cool until your gut bacteria starve from zero fiber. carnivore guts rot. butyrate (from plant fiber) literally protects against glycation. you’re trading wrinkles for a microbiome apocalypse.

carbs aren’t poison - idiots are

candy bars not equal to all carbs. sweet potatoes, berries, - these fight glycation with antioxidants. your zero-carb dogma ignores evolution. humans thrived on tubers and fruit.

raw carnivore is a caveman cosplay. optimal? eat plants, cook smart, fast occasionally.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

AGEs aren’t just sugar’s fault

yes, your body makes some AGEs from glucose. but grilled meats dump way more exogenous AGEs into your system than any lentil. vegans eat low-heat plants - their total AGE load is lower. you’re blaming sugar while chugging steak-char carcinogens.

raw meat = pathogen roulette

congrats on avoiding seared AGEs. enjoy the salmonella, E. coli, and parasites.

carnosine? plants have beta-alanine (mushrooms, soy) - synthesize your own damn carnosine.

stable blood sugar doesn't mean good health

flat glucose lines are cool until your gut bacteria starve from zero fiber. carnivore guts rot. butyrate (from plant fiber) literally protects against glycation. you’re trading wrinkles for a microbiome apocalypse.

carbs aren’t poison - idiots are

candy bars not equal to all carbs. sweet potatoes, berries, - these fight glycation with antioxidants. your zero-carb dogma ignores evolution. humans thrived on tubers and fruit.

raw carnivore is a caveman cosplay. optimal? eat plants, cook smart, fast occasionally.

Never been sick from raw meat.

I'm not eating mushrooms or soy for the obvious reasons. I'd rather just get the carnosine directly.

Harder to digest bits of the animal like the connective tissue can actually be used as a fermentable substrate and be used instead of fiber. Fiber is constipating as fuck anyways.

carbs are 100% poison
humans literally rot and fall apart when they eat carbs
everything from their teeth to their skin to their pancreas to their blood cells to every other organ in the body
if evolution meant for people to eat carbs it wouldn't violate us so hard for eating them

 

[pahadi mogger]

Never been sick from raw meat.

I'm not eating mushrooms or soy for the obvious reasons. I'd rather just get the carnosine directly.

Harder to digest bits of the animal like the connective tissue can actually be used as a fermentable substrate and be used instead of fiber. Fiber is constipating as fuck anyways.

carbs are 100% poison
humans literally rot and fall apart when they eat carbs
everything from their teeth to their skin to their pancreas to their blood cells to every other organ in the body
if evolution meant for people to eat carbs it wouldn't violate us so hard for eating them

raw meat survivorship bias - you’ve dodged pathogens so far. statistically, you’re playing fecal roulette. enjoy your eventual 3am sprint to the toilet.

connective tissue is not equal to fiber. zero plants = zero prebiotics so gut microbes starve. your “fermentation” cope is shit compared to butyrate’s anti-inflammatory magic.

carbs = poison? tell that to the Okinawans (sweet potato addicts) outliving your carnivore heroes by decades.
your pancreas didn’t evolve to marinate in perpetual ketones - hence the term “starvation metabolism.”

rot from carbs? look in the mirror after a decade of zero antioxidants. leather skin, crumbling joints, and a microbiome deader than your gains.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

raw meat survivorship bias - you’ve dodged pathogens so far. statistically, you’re playing fecal roulette. enjoy your eventual 3am sprint to the toilet.

connective tissue is not equal to fiber. zero plants = zero prebiotics so gut microbes starve. your “fermentation” cope is shit compared to butyrate’s anti-inflammatory magic.

carbs = poison? tell that to the Okinawans (sweet potato addicts) outliving your carnivore heroes by decades.
your pancreas didn’t evolve to marinate in perpetual ketones - hence the term “starvation metabolism.”

rot from carbs? look in the mirror after a decade of zero antioxidants. leather skin, crumbling joints, and a microbiome deader than your gains.

I have been doing this for nearly a decade actually now that you mention it. 7 years coming up on 8. Given the sheer amount of instances of me eating raw meat, one would think that if there were any real likelihood of me getting sick, it would have happened by now. The only times when I got sick were the times when I tried re-introducing other foods again.

You can literally get SCFA from fermentation of connective tissues, not sure why you're acting like this isn't the case.

Okinawans look like rotten carbcels. I have no carnivore heroes, who are you talking about?


and I look fine after nearly a decade of this. I look younger than most people my age at 26, much better collagen, athletic, with a fine microbiome. Meat, particularly raw meat, is full of antioxidants though, such as selenium, carnosine, all the constituents of glutathione, etc etc.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

hair system bro.... hair system

I tested one out when I shaved my head just to test it out. They are annoying as shit. Shit has to be redone every 10 days if you are remotely active.

If your balding, Dutasteride (and ru58841 if aggressive) or LDAR.

 

[thereallegend]

It says it can and does in that paper. It appears to be saying elevated levels prematurely age the hair follicles by causing senescence etc.

IGF1 is a youth hormone. One thing that people report from elevated IGF levels is hair growth. Source? Users of mk677.

 

[pahadi mogger]

I have been doing this for nearly a decade actually now that you mention it. 7 years coming up on 8. Given the sheer amount of instances of me eating raw meat, one would think that if there were any real likelihood of me getting sick, it would have happened by now. The only times when I got sick were the times when I tried re-introducing other foods again.

You can literally get SCFA from fermentation of connective tissues, not sure why you're acting like this isn't the case.

Okinawans look like rotten carbcels. I have no carnivore heroes, who are you talking about?


and I look fine after nearly a decade of this. I look younger than most people my age at 26, much better collagen, athletic, with a fine microbiome. Meat, particularly raw meat, is full of antioxidants though, such as selenium, carnosine, all the constituents of glutathione, etc etc.

you’re not a carnivore success story - you’re a statistical anomaly. raw meat roulette will eventually bankrupt your gut. zero plants = zero phytonutrients - enjoy your oxidative debt. okinawans outlive you, period. your microbiome? a barren wasteland. come back at 50 when your joints creak louder than your dogma.

 

[thereallegend]

IGF-1 overdrive fries hair follicles by exhausting stem cells via p53/senescence - proven in the study. Your 'heavy metals' theory ignores the clear mechanism
chronic IGF-1
stem cell burnout
hair loss.
DR/senolytics reversed it.

IGF1 doesn't cause stem cell burnout. It seems many people misunderstand this crucial growth factor of life. For example, red meat was linked to cancer in 2014 by Harvard due to "muh IGF1" causing growth of cells.

No IGF1 is crucial for cellular regeneration, anti-aging and height growth. Stem cell burnout would suggest our bone marrow has an antagonistic relation to IGF, when in fact it's the opposite.

IGF1 and stem cells are synergistic.

 

[kazama]

carbs are 100% poison

U dont need to say this if u're against it, but we were actually made to eat everything. If you felt like u were dying from eating carbs, u probably weren't eating right.

 

[thereallegend]

Reminder that the best way to keep IGF-1 low is a low carb diet. Lots of retards think carnivore raises IGF-1 due to the protein because healthline articles say protein raises IGF-1. However, protein only raises IGF-1 in the context of high insulin/high carbohydrate. On a high protein low carb diet, insulin will be low and consequently IGF-1 will follow.
It's the only real option for a true anti-aging diet.

To slow down aging you'd have to do 80% fat 15% protein 5% carbs.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

you’re not a carnivore success story - you’re a statistical anomaly. raw meat roulette will eventually bankrupt your gut. zero plants = zero phytonutrients - enjoy your oxidative debt. okinawans outlive you, period. your microbiome? a barren wasteland. come back at 50 when your joints creak louder than your dogma.

Alright doc, make a case to me on phtyonutrients. There was a part of me considering re-introducing low carb plants like bell peppers for example.

 

[thereallegend]

wrong. protein spikes igf-1 even without carbs - especially animal protein. precious steak floods the system with leucine, which mtorc1 can't resist activating. insulin just greases the wheels. low-carb carnivore? enjoy slightly lower igf-1 than a sugar addict but still higher than a fasting monk. true anti-aging? fast 20hrs daily or go vegan.

A vegan diet is a diet high in sugar so that'll elevate insulin and IGF levels too.

Yes it's true, protein (which is all animal, no such thing as plant protein) raises growth hormone when then increases IGF1 too.

 

[thereallegend]

major cope
i've tested my IGF-1 and it is below average
fasting is cool but vegan rots the body
is not viable

Fasting is NOT cool. Fasting is starvation. Your body starts to eat itself after 5hrs of not eating. You're decreasing your red blood cell count doing that.

 

[thereallegend]

congrats on your mid IGF-1 levels . your logic ignores leucine’s direct mTORC1 activation, which spikes IGF-1 independent of insulin. bloodwork? cute.

post 52 weekly fasted draws or stop flexing a single data point like it’s gospel. fasting drops IGF-1 hard, and veganism only ‘rots’ gains for those who can’t meal prep beyond raw liver.

David Sinclair's research stating mTOR as the reason for aging is incorrect.

Glycation past a 12% limit from cooked food and plant carbohydrates is a better explanation for aging.

So is oxidative stress from environmental toxins.

 

[pahadi mogger]

Alright doc, make a case to me on phtyonutrients. There was a part of me considering re-introducing low carb plants like bell peppers for example.

phytonutrients aren’t optional - they’re your body’s maintenance crew. carnivore lacks them, so your cells rust. bell peppers?

loaded with quercetin (kills inflammation) and vitamin C (collagen booster). your meat-heavy diet’s iron overload? vitamin C fixes that.

gut microbes starve on zero plants. add 50g bell peppers daily , fiber feeds good bacteria without carb bloat. track skin/joints for 2 weeks. improve? keep ‘em.
no? toss ‘em.

plants are tools, not food. use them or rot faster.

 

[pahadi mogger]

David Sinclair's research stating mTOR as the reason for aging is incorrect.

Glycation past a 12% limit from cooked food and plant carbohydrates is a better explanation for aging.

So is oxidative stress from environmental toxins.

fasting not equal to starvation. autophagy after 16hrs cleans cellular garbage - nobel prize stuff.

red blood cells? they last 120 days. your 5hr panic is clown-tier biology.

glycation? cooked meat dumps more AGEs than plants. veggies fight oxidative stress with antioxidants - carnivore lacks these. your “12% limit” is bro-science confetti.

mTOR drives aging. rapamycin (mTOR inhibitor) extends lifespan in every model tested. david sinclair’s work is one brick in a mountain of evidence. your denial is like arguing gravity’s fake while falling off a cliff.

your takes are fossilized. update your dogma.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

phytonutrients aren’t optional - they’re your body’s maintenance crew. carnivore lacks them, so your cells rust. bell peppers?

loaded with quercetin (kills inflammation) and vitamin C (collagen booster). your meat-heavy diet’s iron overload? vitamin C fixes that.

gut microbes starve on zero plants. add 50g bell peppers daily , fiber feeds good bacteria without carb bloat. track skin/joints for 2 weeks. improve? keep ‘em.
no? toss ‘em.

plants are tools, not food. use them or rot faster.

I could do that. I like bell peppers anyways. Admittedly my reasoning for not eating them initially was a a bout of disordered eating I had.

 

[thereallegend]

glycation isn’t a vegan issue - it’s a heat+animal fat issue. seared meat creates advanced glycation end products (AGEs) that plants don’t. vegan diets lower baseline blood sugar, reducing glycation risk.
protein? plants have it.
b12? supplement.
igf-1? plant protein’s lower leucine blunts mtorc1 activation.

There's no such thing as plant protein. Coconut cream is the only example I can think of. Don't bring up black beans which has protease inhibitors.

Veganism causes diabetes. You're constantly ruining your pancreas spiking insulin on a vegan diet. Look at Steve Jobs who died of pancreatic cancer.

B12 supplements are toxic. Cyanobalamin is literal cyanide mixed with the industrial chemicals meant to isolate these molecules.
You could've said you can eat shit for B12 and you would've been correct. However eating shit isn't vegan as shit is an animal's excrement.

Veganism would increase IGF1 too because of spiking insuling from exogenous glucose and fructose.
Also don't forget fructose is 10x more glycating than glucose.

Yes you are correct that cooking causes even more glycation.

 

[pahadi mogger]

There's no such thing as plant protein. Coconut cream is the only example I can think of. Don't bring up black beans which has protease inhibitors.

Veganism causes diabetes. You're constantly ruining your pancreas spiking insulin on a vegan diet. Look at Steve Jobs who died of pancreatic cancer.

B12 supplements are toxic. Cyanobalamin is literal cyanide mixed with the industrial chemicals meant to isolate these molecules.
You could've said you can eat shit for B12 and you would've been correct. However eating shit isn't vegan as shit is an animal's excrement.

Veganism would increase IGF1 too because of spiking insuling from exogenous glucose and fructose.
Also don't forget fructose is 10x more glycating than glucose.

Yes you are correct that cooking causes even more glycation.

wow, the "plants aren’t protein myth again. lentils: 18g per cup. tofu: 20g. seitan.
you’re out here acting like black beans are poison while ignoring that cooking neutralizes protease inhibitors.

veganism causes diabetes? sure, if your diet’s oreos and soda. actual studies show vegans have 60% lower diabetes risk. steve jobs died from a rare neuroendocrine tumor, blaming kale for that is like blaming sunlight for vampire deaths.

b12 supplements = cyanide? lmao. cyanocobalamin’s trace cyanide is less toxic than your ego. or grab methylcobalamin. or just lick a damn b12-fortified cereal box.

vegan igf-1 spikes? Plant protein’s low leucine barely tickles mTORC1. your steak’s leucine tsunami? that’s the real igf-1 rave.

fructose glycation? valid , if you’re mainlining mango smoothies.

whole-food vegans? antioxidants from berries/spinach nuke glycation.
carnivore’s aging like milk in the sun with zero phytonutrient armor.

 

[thereallegend]

fasting not equal to starvation. autophagy after 16hrs cleans cellular garbage - nobel prize stuff.

red blood cells? they last 120 days. your 5hr panic is clown-tier biology.

glycation? cooked meat dumps more AGEs than plants. veggies fight oxidative stress with antioxidants - carnivore lacks these. your “12% limit” is bro-science confetti.

mTOR drives aging. rapamycin (mTOR inhibitor) extends lifespan in every model tested. david sinclair’s work is one brick in a mountain of evidence. your denial is like arguing gravity’s fake while falling off a cliff.

your takes are fossilized. update your dogma.

Autophagy happens from a lot of things, not just fasting. Eating raw food increases autophagy. Even exercise (which speeds up aging) increases autophagy. Sinclair did NOT hit the lottery as you so seem.

RBCs can last 120 days if you don't STARVE yourself. When you starve yourself you are EATING YOURSELF which is why you lose weight.

All autophagy is eating dead cells. You can eliminate dead cells by eating raw meat and still feel satiated. The bacteria will dissolve dead cells while the raw nutrition from the meat has the vitamins, minerals, enzymes the body needs.

I'm not promoting cooked meat. Cooked meat is glycating. Setting your food on fire is glycating. I certainly hope you don't eat any cooked vegan food. Cooked starch would be a double whammy of AGEs for example.

Rapamycin is literal bacteria. So yes bacteria extends our lifespan. We are 99% bacteria. 300+ bacterial genes for every human gene.

Carnivore doesn't lack antioxidants. Raw beef boosts glutathione levels aka the master antioxidant. Raw meat has vitamin C. Do you consider that an antioxidant?

Our bodies can handle up to 12% glycation. This means raw milk, unheated honey, and raw protein in general, which are all slightly glycating, can be tolerated by the human body and won't contribute to aging. Fruit, starch, any cooked food in general are 70-90% glycating. It's way above the limit and will cause the creation of cancer cells to deal with the toxicity.

 

[pahadi mogger]

Autophagy happens from a lot of things, not just fasting. Eating raw food increases autophagy. Even exercise (which speeds up aging) increases autophagy. Sinclair did NOT hit the lottery as you so seem.

RBCs can last 120 days if you don't STARVE yourself. When you starve yourself you are EATING YOURSELF which is why you lose weight.

All autophagy is eating dead cells. You can eliminate dead cells by eating raw meat and still feel satiated. The bacteria will dissolve dead cells while the raw nutrition from the meat has the vitamins, minerals, enzymes the body needs.

I'm not promoting cooked meat. Cooked meat is glycating. Setting your food on fire is glycating. I certainly hope you don't eat any cooked vegan food. Cooked starch would be a double whammy of AGEs for example.

Rapamycin is literal bacteria. So yes bacteria extends our lifespan. We are 99% bacteria. 300+ bacterial genes for every human gene.

Carnivore doesn't lack antioxidants. Raw beef boosts glutathione levels aka the master antioxidant. Raw meat has vitamin C. Do you consider that an antioxidant?

Our bodies can handle up to 12% glycation. This means raw milk, unheated honey, and raw protein in general, which are all slightly glycating, can be tolerated by the human body and won't contribute to aging. Fruit, starch, any cooked food in general are 70-90% glycating. It's way above the limit and will cause the creation of cancer cells to deal with the toxicity.

autophagy isn’t a flex , it’s janitorial work. fasting’s the boss. raw meat? lol. your gut’s too busy fighting salmonella to prioritize cellular cleanup. exercise-induced autophagy? temporary. fasting? deep cleanse. sinclair’s work is one brick in the skyscraper of aging research.

rbc’s last 120 days regardless of feeding windows. starvation not equal to fasting. ketosis is not catabolizing muscle. your “eating yourself” scare tactic? ? logic.

raw meat dissolving dead cells? cool fanfic. bacteria don’t give a shit about your senescent cells. autophagy’s self-cannibalism - own it or stay bloated.

cooked meat glycates? yes. cooked starches? worse. raw vegan? enjoy your oxalate kidney stones. life’s a carcinogen, pick your poison.

rapamycin’s bacterial origins irrelevant. penicillin’s mold. your point? we’re 99% bacteria? congrats, you’re a walking petri dish.

carnivore antioxidants? glutathione’s cool. plants have 10,000+ phytonutrients. raw meat’s vitamin C? trace amounts. guinea pigs on carnivore die of scurvy. you’re not special.

12% glycation “limit”? pulled from your ass. raw honey/milk still spike insulin. cancer from cooked food? show me one study. you can’t.

autophagy’s free, glycation’s inevitable, and your raw meat fetish is a ticking pathogen bomb.

 

[glaruz]

Holy shit the autism in this thread and you cannot make this shit up all the contradictions. Imma order some goyslop and just chill tbh.

 

[thereallegend]

wow, the "plants aren’t protein myth again. lentils: 18g per cup. tofu: 20g. seitan.
you’re out here acting like black beans are poison while ignoring that cooking neutralizes protease inhibitors.

veganism causes diabetes? sure, if your diet’s oreos and soda. actual studies show vegans have 60% lower diabetes risk. steve jobs died from a rare neuroendocrine tumor, blaming kale for that is like blaming sunlight for vampire deaths.

b12 supplements = cyanide? lmao. cyanocobalamin’s trace cyanide is less toxic than your ego. or grab methylcobalamin. or just lick a damn b12-fortified cereal box.

vegan igf-1 spikes? Plant protein’s low leucine barely tickles mTORC1. your steak’s leucine tsunami? that’s the real igf-1 rave.

fructose glycation? valid , if you’re mainlining mango smoothies.

whole-food vegans? antioxidants from berries/spinach nuke glycation.
carnivore’s aging like milk in the sun with zero phytonutrient armor.

Cooking won't weaken all the protease inhibitors and will denature the so called protein you think is in there. Cooking causes glycation and will contribute to aging.
You would have to ferment your black beans and even fermentation won't completely get rid of the antinutrients either.
Just to remind you protease inhibitors block the digestion of protein for 2 days after ingestion.

Steve Jobs died from pancreatic cancer, constantly spiking his insulin from his fruitarian diet.

Oreos aren't vegan. The cream is dairy.

"Actual" vegans aren't eating processed foods, at least I hope. But it seems you still eat processed food as you promote your toxic black beans which bloat you and destroy gut bacteria.

My point is that IGF1 is good for you and keeps you young. Growth hormones = youth hormones.

Plant's are low in leucine because they hardly have any essential amino acids at all.
Your tofu/lentils "protein" cannot be absorbed due to anti nutrients.

If you are vegan I hope you're eating high fat. Like avocado, coconut cream. Coconut cream has enough protein. Then I'd recommend microdosing unripe pineapple for bone density. Eat unsalted kimchi and sauerkraut for gut bacteria.

Antioxidants don't nuke glycation. Glycation is impossible to remove from the body. You'd need high meat and feces to do that. Only E. Coli would have a realistic shot of removing glycation.
Therefore, berries and spinach cannot nuke glycation. They actually contribute to it as they are exogenous plant sugars.

You would have to hope the body could destroy the glycating cells and replace them with new fresh cells over time, over the course of years.

Carnivores at least has high levels of saturated fat and cholesterol which prevent burning and help you utilize the Sun's rays.

In regards to B12 supplementation, methlycobalamin is better. However, all supplements are extracted via industrial solvents. Supplements are high in deuterium, causing oxidative stress and aging.
Fortified grain sludge like American bread and cereal cannot meet your nutritional needs.

For B12 as a vegan you'd have to eat shit like cow manure. But that would mean you're not vegan anymore.

Cheers.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

@pahadi mogger
as stated i had been considering some low carb vegetables to re-incorporate into my diet. I feel I would still prefer to be low carb for the time being though. How about red bell peppers, romaine lettuce, and what else would you think to add, and why? With meat I try to stick to cuts higher in glycine or organ meats like liver, heart, etc.

 

[thereallegend]

Holy shit the autism in this thread and you cannot make this shit up all the contradictions. Imma order some goyslop and just chill tbh.

Eat raw meat and drink raw milk and eggs. That's all.

 

[thereallegend]

@pahadi mogger
as stated i had been considering some low carb vegetables to re-incorporate into my diet. I feel I would still prefer to be low carb for the time being though. How about red bell peppers, romaine lettuce, and what else would you think to add, and why? With meat I try to stick to cuts higher in glycine or organ meats like liver, heart, etc.

Bell peppers are good, can cause of tooth detox, so be careful. Romaine lettuce in unsalted kimchi is good. At least you'll get some gut bacteria even if it isn't the right putrefactive bacteria we need. Onion is good too.

 

[pahadi mogger]

Cooking won't weaken all the protease inhibitors and will denature the so called protein you think is in there. Cooking causes glycation and will contribute to aging.
You would have to ferment your black beans and even fermentation won't completely get rid of the antinutrients either.
Just to remind you protease inhibitors block the digestion of protein for 2 days after ingestion.

Steve Jobs died from pancreatic cancer, constantly spiking his insulin from his fruitarian diet.

Oreos aren't vegan. The cream is dairy.

"Actual" vegans aren't eating processed foods, at least I hope. But it seems you still eat processed food as you promote your toxic black beans which bloat you and destroy gut bacteria.

My point is that IGF1 is good for you and keeps you young. Growth hormones = youth hormones.

Plant's are low in leucine because they hardly have any essential amino acids at all.
Your tofu/lentils "protein" cannot be absorbed due to anti nutrients.

If you are vegan I hope you're eating high fat. Like avocado, coconut cream. Coconut cream has enough protein. Then I'd recommend microdosing unripe pineapple for bone density. Eat unsalted kimchi and sauerkraut for gut bacteria.

Antioxidants don't nuke glycation. Glycation is impossible to remove from the body. You'd need high meat and feces to do that. Only E. Coli would have a realistic shot of removing glycation.
Therefore, berries and spinach cannot nuke glycation. They actually contribute to it as they are exogenous plant sugars.

You would have to hope the body could destroy the glycating cells and replace them with new fresh cells over time, over the course of years.

Carnivores at least has high levels of saturated fat and cholesterol which prevent burning and help you utilize the Sun's rays.

In regards to B12 supplementation, methlycobalamin is better. However, all supplements are extracted via industrial solvents. Supplements are high in deuterium, causing oxidative stress and aging.
Fortified grain sludge like American bread and cereal cannot meet your nutritional needs.

For B12 as a vegan you'd have to eat shit like cow manure. But that would mean you're not vegan anymore.

Cheers. @asdvek

you’re out here acting like cooking beans is a war crime while raw meat’s a panacea? ima gut this nonsense,

protease inhibitors: boiling beans nukes 80% of those little fuckers. your “2-day protein block” myth? debunked.
eat cooked lentils, gain muscle, stay regular.

steve jobs: died from a genetic neuroendocrine tumor, not apples. fruitarian not vegan. your logic’s weak...

IGF-1 cult: yeah, growth hormone keeps you jacked… until it torches your hair follicles. study after study shows chronic high IGF-1 = stem cell meltdown. youth juice? more like expiration juice. (read the article dude)

plant protein: lentils’ PDCAAS = beef’s. “can’t absorb”? tell that to millions of swole vegans. antinutrients? soak ‘em, cook ‘em, move on.

glycation cope: berries’ polyphenols literally block AGEs. your “E. coli savior” fantasy? peak delusion. bacteria ain’t scrubbing your glycated collagen.

saturated fat salvation: cholesterol doesn’t “harness sunlight”, UVB makes vitamin D, genius. clogged arteries? enjoy your future stent.

B12 fearmongering: methylcobalamin’s clean. or eat fortified nutritional yeast. “eat shit”? stay classy, carnivore.

raw meat vitamin C: trace amounts. guinea pigs on carnivore die of scurvy. you’re not a genetic marvel , you’re a time bomb.

your diet’s a bro-science cult.

 

[pahadi mogger]

@pahadi mogger
as stated i had been considering some low carb vegetables to re-incorporate into my diet. I feel I would still prefer to be low carb for the time being though. How about red bell peppers, romaine lettuce, and what else would you think to add, and why? With meat I try to stick to cuts higher in glycine or organ meats like liver, heart, etc.

red bell peppers and romaine lettuce? fine... if you’re into basic shit.

here’s the truth, veggies are tools, not food.

arugula’s peppery kick isn’t for flavor , it’s nitrates forcing blood into muscles you’ve neglected. pair it with liver so your face doesn’t look like a deflated balloon.

zucchini? spiralize it into sad pasta to trick your gut into thinking it’s eating civilization. fiber feeds the microbes you’ve starved into extinction.

bok choy’s sulforaphane isn’t a detox trend - it’s estrogen’s executioner. useful when your T levels are low.


radishes? - crunchy anthocyanin bombs to douse the inflammation from ego-lifting.

parsley’s not garnish , it’s cortisol’s kryptonite. blend it into your organ slop and maybe you’ll sleep through the night without crying.

skip spinach.. unless you want kidney stones sharper than your jawline. broccoli? enjoy FODMAP hell and gas that could power a hot air balloon.

phytonutrients are armor against the dumpster fire of your meat-fueled oxidative stress. vitamin C in peppers chelates iron from that liver you’re choking down, so you don’t rust from the inside out.

fiber patches your leaky gut so you stop shitting like a busted faucet.

plants are your meat’s cleanup crew. use them or keep rotting.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

crunchy anthocyanin bombs to douse the inflammation from ego-lifting.

I like the view on vegetables as tools.
Red bell pepper and romaine lettuce were just some ones I had enjoyed in the past and I had been thinking to use to help boost my vitamin C/folate/lutein.

I definitely am not big on the idea of oxalate heavy foods like spinach as you mentioned, ESPECIALLY not consumed raw.

I think I’ll try to look more into those and add in some helpful things, thank you. Maybe I’ll add some to the garden we have.

 

[thereallegend]

autophagy isn’t a flex , it’s janitorial work. fasting’s the boss. raw meat? lol. your gut’s too busy fighting salmonella to prioritize cellular cleanup. exercise-induced autophagy? temporary. fasting? deep cleanse. sinclair’s work is one brick in the skyscraper of aging research.

rbc’s last 120 days regardless of feeding windows. starvation not equal to fasting. ketosis is not catabolizing muscle. your “eating yourself” scare tactic? ? logic.

raw meat dissolving dead cells? cool fanfic. bacteria don’t give a shit about your senescent cells. autophagy’s self-cannibalism - own it or stay bloated.

cooked meat glycates? yes. cooked starches? worse. raw vegan? enjoy your oxalate kidney stones. life’s a carcinogen, pick your poison.

rapamycin’s bacterial origins irrelevant. penicillin’s mold. your point? we’re 99% bacteria? congrats, you’re a walking petri dish.

carnivore antioxidants? glutathione’s cool. plants have 10,000+ phytonutrients. raw meat’s vitamin C? trace amounts. guinea pigs on carnivore die of scurvy. you’re not special.

12% glycation “limit”? pulled from your ass. raw honey/milk still spike insulin. cancer from cooked food? show me one study. you can’t.

autophagy’s free, glycation’s inevitable, and your raw meat fetish is a ticking pathogen bomb.

Salmonella eats dead cells. Before showering, bodies of salmonella would do the work of eating dead cells off the skin, leaving it flawless.

YES, ketosis doesn't catabolize muscle but fasting does! Fasting is starvation. You can be in ketosis by eating raw carnivore without fasting!
Fasting goes against your senses. You're choosing to kill yourself slowly. Pretty stupid when you can eat raw meat, detox from it and still be satiated. Just seems more efficient to me.

Bacteria absolutely cleans up deficient cells.
By the way, you can avoid kidney stones on raw veganism so as long you eat heavily fermented vegetables. You can't even defend veganism correctly, instead coming to a self defeatist POV. You defeated yourself with that one.

Scurvy is from a lack of essential amino acids, which plants lack for us. Even if it were from a lack of vitamin C, raw animal products that! Raw meat, raw milk, raw eggs all have vitamin C.

The "phytonutrients" in plants are what normal people call antinutrients. We don't need phytonutrients. We need real nutrients. Those compounds in plants aren't necessary in the human body. At BEST, they're a double edged sword.

YES, our bodies can handle a small amount of glycation. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to handle protein. ALL protein glycates at a rate of 7-8%. Still under the limit.

Colombia University did many studies on glycation.

Cooked foods absolutely causes cancer. For example, potato chip eaters get cancer easy as the acrylamides store in the body and can't get out (that is unless you eat 100% raw).

Pathogens are industrial toxins not naturally occurring bacteria, virus and parasites. Terrain theory is correct. Germ theory is not.

 

[pahadi mogger]

Salmonella eats dead cells. Before showering, bodies of salmonella would do the work of eating dead cells off the skin, leaving it flawless.

YES, ketosis doesn't catabolize muscle but fasting does! Fasting is starvation. You can be in ketosis by eating raw carnivore without fasting!
Fasting goes against your senses. You're choosing to kill yourself slowly. Pretty stupid when you can eat raw meat, detox from it and still be satiated. Just seems more efficient to me.

Bacteria absolutely cleans up deficient cells.
By the way, you can avoid kidney stones on raw veganism so as long you eat heavily fermented vegetables. You can't even defend veganism correctly, instead coming to a self defeatist POV. You defeated yourself with that one.

Scurvy is from a lack of essential amino acids, which plants lack for us. Even if it were from a lack of vitamin C, raw animal products that! Raw meat, raw milk, raw eggs all have vitamin C.

The "phytonutrients" in plants are what normal people call antinutrients. We don't need phytonutrients. We need real nutrients. Those compounds in plants aren't necessary in the human body. At BEST, they're a double edged sword.

YES, our bodies can handle a small amount of glycation. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to handle protein. ALL protein glycates at a rate of 7-8%. Still under the limit.

Colombia University did many studies on glycation.

Cooked foods absolutely causes cancer. For example, potato chip eaters get cancer easy as the acrylamides store in the body and can't get out (that is unless you eat 100% raw).

Pathogens are industrial toxins not naturally occurring bacteria, virus and parasites. Terrain theory is correct. Germ theory is not.

salmonella eating dead skin cells? delusional... salmonella’s a gut-wrenching pathogen, not your personal skincare routine. your microbiome’s got better cleaners (hi, staph epidermidis), stop cosplaying as a petri dish.

fasting is not starvation. fasting’s controlled autophagy , cellular spring cleaning. ketosis via raw meat? cool, but you’re missing the deep cleanse. your cells are hoarders without it.

bacteria cleaning “deficient cells”? fantasy. autophagy’s self-cannibalism. bacteria don’t give a fuck about your senescent cells, they’re too busy fermenting your undigested meat into toxic sludge.

raw vegan kidney stones? fermented veggies lower oxalates, but you’re still rolling dice.
carnivore’s oxalate dump? enjoy pissing sand. pick your poison.

scurvy cope: raw meat’s vitamin C is trace. guinea pigs on carnivore die of scurvy. you’re not a genetic marvel - you’re a time bomb.

phytonutrients = antinutrients? wrong. polyphenols nuke oxidative stress. carnivore’s antioxidant arsenal? glorified water pistol vs. plants’ firehose.

glycation “limit”? cooked meat dumps more AGEs than plants. columbia studies? irrelevant. your “7%” stat is bro-science .

cooked food = cancer???? acrylamides in chips is not all cooked food. boil/steam = safe.
raw vegan? enjoy oxalate kidney grenades and malnutrition.

germ theory denial? . terrain matters, but cholera doesn’t care how “alkaline” you are. tell germ theory to smallpox,oh wait, it’s eradicated.

your arguments are a dumpster fire of pseudoscience. plants are tools, use them or keep rotting.

 

[thereallegend]

you’re out here acting like cooking beans is a war crime while raw meat’s a panacea? ima gut this nonsense,

protease inhibitors: boiling beans nukes 80% of those little fuckers. your “2-day protein block” myth? debunked.
eat cooked lentils, gain muscle, stay regular.

steve jobs: died from a genetic neuroendocrine tumor, not apples. fruitarian not vegan. your logic’s weak...

IGF-1 cult: yeah, growth hormone keeps you jacked… until it torches your hair follicles. study after study shows chronic high IGF-1 = stem cell meltdown. youth juice? more like expiration juice. (read the article dude)

plant protein: lentils’ PDCAAS = beef’s. “can’t absorb”? tell that to millions of swole vegans. antinutrients? soak ‘em, cook ‘em, move on.

glycation cope: berries’ polyphenols literally block AGEs. your “E. coli savior” fantasy? peak delusion. bacteria ain’t scrubbing your glycated collagen.

saturated fat salvation: cholesterol doesn’t “harness sunlight”, UVB makes vitamin D, genius. clogged arteries? enjoy your future stent.

B12 fearmongering: methylcobalamin’s clean. or eat fortified nutritional yeast. “eat shit”? stay classy, carnivore.

raw meat vitamin C: trace amounts. guinea pigs on carnivore die of scurvy. you’re not a genetic marvel , you’re a time bomb.

your diet’s a bro-science cult.

You're repeating talking points.

Lactobacillus plantorum is a bacteria that is literally anti aging and improves collagen. Is found in almost all fermented food, especially raw dairy.

Saturated fat doesn't clog arteries, vegetable seed oils do. They harden in the body and clog the lymphatic system.

Moldy berries can detox heavy metals. That's great! However they're still glycating from the fructose.

If you would eat fermented veggies like natto (fermented japanese soybean), I'd leave you alone. You KNOW that cooking causes glycation. Fermentation increases the amount of vitamin K in foods. I'm recommending you the better option.

 

[thereallegend]

raw meat survivorship bias - you’ve dodged pathogens so far. statistically, you’re playing fecal roulette. enjoy your eventual 3am sprint to the toilet.

connective tissue is not equal to fiber. zero plants = zero prebiotics so gut microbes starve. your “fermentation” cope is shit compared to butyrate’s anti-inflammatory magic.

carbs = poison? tell that to the Okinawans (sweet potato addicts) outliving your carnivore heroes by decades.
your pancreas didn’t evolve to marinate in perpetual ketones - hence the term “starvation metabolism.”

rot from carbs? look in the mirror after a decade of zero antioxidants. leather skin, crumbling joints, and a microbiome deader than your gains.

The Okinawans eat raw pork mainly.

 

[pahadi mogger]

You're repeating talking points.

Lactobacillus plantorum is a bacteria that is literally anti aging and improves collagen. Is found in almost all fermented food, especially raw dairy.

Saturated fat doesn't clog arteries, vegetable seed oils do. They harden in the body and clog the lymphatic system.

Moldy berries can detox heavy metals. That's great! However they're still glycating from the fructose.

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If you would eat fermented veggies like natto (fermented japanese soybean), I'd leave you alone. You KNOW that cooking causes glycation. Fermentation increases the amount of vitamin K in foods. I'm recommending you the better option.

oh, shifting goalposts now?

lactobacillus plantarum

cool, it’s a gut bug. improves collagen? marginally.
anti-aging? . you need a balanced microbiome, not a single bacterial mascot. raw dairy’s still a salmonella roulette wheel.

saturated fat vs. seed oils

seed oils (omega-6) not equal to good, but sat fat absolutely jacks LDL in susceptible folks.
your “lymph clogging” fantasy? anatomy called - lymph doesn’t transport lipids. stay in school.

moldy berries detox metals

mold = mycotoxins (cancer fuel). “detox” via poison? galaxy-brain logic. berries’ fructose? offset by fiber/polyphenols. glycation fear? cope harder.

natto/fermented veggies

natto’s great — vitamin K2, bacillus subtilis. but you only care because it’s exotic and fits your raw-ferment cult aesthetic.
cooked beans still beat raw dogma.

cooking = glycation

boiling/steaming = low AGEs. high-heat searing?
sure, carcinogenic. but plants’ antioxidants (quercetin, curcumin) nuke AGEs better than carnivore’s nothing.
you’re not a biohacker.

 

[thereallegend]

U dont need to say this if u're against it, but we were actually made to eat everything. If you felt like u were dying from eating carbs, u probably weren't eating right.

Overly simplified. Processed carbs are bad and bloat you. But raw carbs, when balanced with raw fat and protein can be tolerated.

 

[thereallegend]

salmonella eating dead skin cells? delusional... salmonella’s a gut-wrenching pathogen, not your personal skincare routine. your microbiome’s got better cleaners (hi, staph epidermidis), stop cosplaying as a petri dish.

fasting is not starvation. fasting’s controlled autophagy , cellular spring cleaning. ketosis via raw meat? cool, but you’re missing the deep cleanse. your cells are hoarders without it.

bacteria cleaning “deficient cells”? fantasy. autophagy’s self-cannibalism. bacteria don’t give a fuck about your senescent cells, they’re too busy fermenting your undigested meat into toxic sludge.

raw vegan kidney stones? fermented veggies lower oxalates, but you’re still rolling dice.
carnivore’s oxalate dump? enjoy pissing sand. pick your poison.

scurvy cope: raw meat’s vitamin C is trace. guinea pigs on carnivore die of scurvy. you’re not a genetic marvel - you’re a time bomb.

phytonutrients = antinutrients? wrong. polyphenols nuke oxidative stress. carnivore’s antioxidant arsenal? glorified water pistol vs. plants’ firehose.

glycation “limit”? cooked meat dumps more AGEs than plants. columbia studies? irrelevant. your “7%” stat is bro-science .

cooked food = cancer???? acrylamides in chips is not all cooked food. boil/steam = safe.
raw vegan? enjoy oxalate kidney grenades and malnutrition.

germ theory denial? . terrain matters, but cholera doesn’t care how “alkaline” you are. tell germ theory to smallpox,oh wait, it’s eradicated.

your arguments are a dumpster fire of pseudoscience. plants are tools, use them or keep rotting.

Raw vegans need to stop being obsessed over a quick detox. A quick harsh detox can kill. It's better to detox slowly while still maintaining the body. Raw veganism cannot do this. The primal diet by Aajonus Vodnerplanitz can.

You're repeating talking points once again. Parasites, virus, bacteria absolutely cannibalize dead unhealthy cells. They leave the healthy cells alone. No need for starvation.

I'm not promoting raw veganism or cooked carnivore. I'm promoting Aajonus Vonderplanitz. It's a mixture of raw animal AND plant foods.

Unripe pineapple can help with uric acid.

Meat has plenty of antioxidants with cholesterol being the most important. It's a precrusor hormone to everything in the body.

Dude I was agreeing with you that protein in glycating and now you shit in my face?

You're literally spewing breatharian tier talking points at this point. It seems you have problem with any food in general.

I'm not even promoting being overly alkaline as that would lower growth hormones (youth hormones).

Colombia studies being irrelevant? Really? Talk about YOU moving the goalpost.

I don't know what your point was about smallpox. You're stammering like Joe Biden at this point now.

 

[chadhamed]

hair system bro.... hair system

wig bro js be troon theory

 

[pahadi mogger]

Raw vegans need to stop being obsessed over a quick detox. A quick harsh detox can kill. It's better to detox slowly while still maintaining the body. Raw veganism cannot do this. The primal diet by Aajonus Vodnerplanitz can.

You're repeating talking points once again. Parasites, virus, bacteria absolutely cannibalize dead unhealthy cells. They leave the healthy cells alone. No need for starvation.

I'm not promoting raw veganism or cooked carnivore. I'm promoting Aajonus Vonderplanitz. It's a mixture of raw animal AND plant foods.

Unripe pineapple can help with uric acid.

Meat has plenty of antioxidants with cholesterol being the most important. It's a precrusor hormone to everything in the body.

Dude I was agreeing with you that protein in glycating and now you shit in my face?

You're literally spewing breatharian tier talking points at this point. It seems you have problem with any food in general.

I'm not even promoting being overly alkaline as that would lower growth hormones (youth hormones).

Colombia studies being irrelevant? Really? Talk about YOU moving the goalpost.

I don't know what your point was about smallpox. You're stammering like Joe Biden at this point now.

you keep worshipping aajonus like he descended from the mountaintop, raw liver in one hand and moldy berries in the other, to deliver the gospel of meat cures and parasite cleanses. let me propose a reality check, raw flesh teems with pathogens that don’t give a damn about your “terrain.” if salmonella decides to wage war in your gut, chanting about synergy and natural harmony won’t stop it. germ theory wasn’t some whimsical dream - it’s why smallpox no longer terrorizes us. vibes didn’t eradicate polio, vaccines did. meanwhile, you hail “unripe pineapple magic” as though bromelain alone can neutralize an onslaught of oxidative damage from raw-animal diets. that’s not science- that’s a bedtime story for anyone scared to admit viruses and bacteria do more than politely tidy your insides.

then there’s this “cooking = genocide” narrative: as if boiling beans to kill antinutrients is a betrayal of nature itself. let’s be real: every culture in human history, yes, even the famed okinawans thriving on sweet potatoes, figured out that safe, properly cooked meals extend longevity. your “12% glycation limit” reads like a random number plucked from the clouds, and neither you nor your raw-meat idols have produced credible studies to back it up. cholesterol might act as a tiny antioxidant under specific conditions, but it’s also the main culprit behind arterial plaque if you push it too high. pretending it’s the ultimate free-radical warrior is just another step on the road to self-delusion.

truth is, i’m repeating these points not because i love the sound of my own keyboard, but because your pseudoscience keeps bouncing around the same closed loop. autophagy, the cleaning process your body activates under fasting, literally won a nobel prize. maybe it’s time to read an actual scientific paper instead of another “primal bible” from gurus who boast about surviving raw liver shakes. if you want to gamble your health on ideas that died with the medieval era, be my guest. just don’t expect the rest of us to nod along when the data, and centuries of disease control, stand firmly on the side of actual germ theory and basic food safety. parasites aren’t your janitors, cooking isn’t the devil, and an all-raw “primal” lifestyle is more likely to earn you a
hospital bill than any magical immunity.