elite 15 yr old stack lmk opinions

[AtrophicPyra]

im looking for bone growth height, male dimorphism and muscularity, less anxiety/cortisol, relaxed cns, give advice on what else to add or remove
selank - 400mcg
bpc157- 300 mcg
hgh - 8 iu
estradiol to help t4 whilst taking hgh -50mcg(need opinions on this)

after growth plates close

taking testosterone enanthate or cypionate - 400mg
arimidex when you start seeing high estrogenic symptoms - 0.25mg
then taking HCG during whole cycle and months after - 400 iu
then clomiphene or tamoxifen as a pct just to be safe - 20mg both(need opinions on this)

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

estradiol brah? That'll close your growth plates fast. Instead take tamoxifen to extremely lengthen the timp, use arimidex so you don't get brain impacts and drop estrogen levels to 15-20 pg/mL so your growth plates don't close. No point to inject if it's only 400mg test E, you're basically risking health for nothing in return. Take tamoxifen during the whole thing because it significantly increases FHP so you can maintain a higher estradiol (15-20 pg/mL instead of the classif 10-15 pg/mL) and take hMG also during the cycle so your FSH doesn't get forgotten. Make sure to only inject these compounds 2x a week because you don't want desensitization. Add tb-500 too if you can

 

[AtrophicPyra]

estradiol brah? That'll close your growth plates fast. Instead take tamoxifen to extremely lengthen the timp, use arimidex so you don't get brain impacts and drop estrogen levels to 15-20 pg/mL so your growth plates don't close. No point to inject if it's only 400mg test E, you're basically risking health for nothing in return. Take tamoxifen during the whole thing because it significantly increases FHP so you can maintain a higher estradiol (15-20 pg/mL instead of the classif 10-15 pg/mL) and take hMG also during the cycle so your FSH doesn't get forgotten. Make sure to only inject these compounds 2x a week because you don't want desensitization. Add tb-500 too if you can

do i take hmg months after with pct? how much test e should i take if 400 is too little, i heard more than 500 and u risk perm teste damage and youd have to be on test for life and why would i want higher estradiol from tamoxifen if estradiol closes growth plates. and whats the point of having stable estradiol and not low estradiol during cycle?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

do i take hmg months after with pct? how much test e should i take if 400 is too little, i heard more than 500 and u risk perm teste damage and youd have to be on test for life and why would i want higher estradiol from tamoxifen if estradiol closes growth plates. and whats the point of having stable estradiol and not low estradiol during cycle?

you're risking permanent damage no matter what. hMG and hCG on cycle significantly prevent that though. You'll very likely be able to recover fully if PCT is done right. Issue is if you do PCT right or not. Kisspeptin is something that might be extremely good to use for PCT in addition with other stuff. Tamoxifen does not give higher estradiol, it is a SERM. Although it increases bone density, studies show for it to significantly increase Final Predicted Height meaning it acts as an estrogen antagonist in growth plates. 15-25 is still "low" but the issue is that at 10-15 pg/mL, the low estradiol may significantly lower HGH to IGF-1 conversion. DESIRED E2 is 15 because it's a middle ground, but tamoxifen allows you some leniency

 

[AtrophicPyra]

you're risking permanent damage no matter what. hMG and hCG on cycle significantly prevent that though. You'll very likely be able to recover fully if PCT is done right. Issue is if you do PCT right or not. Kisspeptin is something that might be extremely good to use for PCT in addition with other stuff. Tamoxifen does not give higher estradiol, it is a SERM. Although it increases bone density, studies show for it to significantly increase Final Predicted Height meaning it acts as an estrogen antagonist in growth plates. 15-25 is still "low" but the issue is that at 10-15 pg/mL, the low estradiol may significantly lower HGH to IGF-1 conversion. DESIRED E2 is 15 because it's a middle ground, but tamoxifen allows you some leniency

how much tamoxifen and is 500mg good test e range? also i read that tamoxifen blocks estrogen receptors only in the breast not blood estrogen levels or in the growth plates, could u link me the study saying otherwise? and im trying to find anything to back up that it even lowers ANY e2 but i cant find any so idk where u got that from.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

how much tamoxifen and is 500mg good test e range? also i read that tamoxifen blocks estrogen receptors only in the breast not blood estrogen levels or in the growth plates, could u link me the study saying otherwise? and im trying to find anything to back up that it even lowers ANY e2 but i cant find any so idk where u got that from.

Search up tamoxifen and FHP in people treated with it. You’ll also need to inject high amounts of HGH because it interferes with HGH to IGF-1 conversion. 500mg is good but you’ll need an AI and blood tests to make sure estrogen is at 15-20 pg/mL. All of this is theoretical and not real advice

 

[India lover 52]

nigga estradiol is what transgenders take when they want to turn into a woman why tf would you ever consider touching that if you want higher e2 to synergize with hgh just take testosterone

 

[Speshno]

im looking for bone growth height, male dimorphism and muscularity, less anxiety/cortisol, relaxed cns, give advice on what else to add or remove
selank - 400mcg
bpc157- 300 mcg
hgh - 8 iu
estradiol to help t4 whilst taking hgh -50mcg(need opinions on this)

after growth plates close

taking testosterone enanthate or cypionate - 400mg
arimidex when you start seeing high estrogenic symptoms - 0.25mg
then taking HCG during whole cycle and months after - 400 iu
then clomiphene or tamoxifen as a pct just to be safe - 20mg both(need opinions on this)

You can throw in Ecdysterone. It's natural btw and it's insanely underrated when it comes to bone growth. Probably not that noticable tbh but it can be a good cherry on top.

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Search up tamoxifen and FHP in people treated with it. You’ll also need to inject high amounts of HGH because it interferes with HGH to IGF-1 conversion. 500mg is good but you’ll need an AI and blood tests to make sure estrogen is at 15-20 pg/mL. All of this is theoretical and not real advice

how much hgh is considered high, also lets say for instance, i just wanna take hgh ONLY, i wouldnt need an AI or a SERM right? all i would need is something to regulate t4 to t3 conversion from thyroid , can you help me find smth that could inhibit some/most t4 to t3 conversion without it being toxic as shit to my liver?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

how much hgh is considered high, also lets say for instance, i just wanna take hgh ONLY, i wouldnt need an AI or a SERM right? all i would need is something to regulate t4 to t3 conversion from thyroid , can you help me find smth that could inhibit some/most t4 to t3 conversion without it being toxic as shit to my liver?

No you definitely will need tamoxifen and an AI either way to prevent early closure. Not informed on thyroid whatsoever sorry I can’t help you with that. If blood tests show messed up thyroid you take slight T3 or T4 I don’t remember

 

[AtrophicPyra]

No you definitely will need tamoxifen and an AI either way to prevent early closure. Not informed on thyroid whatsoever sorry I can’t help you with that. If blood tests show messed up thyroid you take slight T3 or T4 I don’t remembt

to prevent early closure from what? im not taking test, and hgh matures your bones only from the igf1 the liver produces and nothing can stop that process.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

to prevent early closure from what? im not taking test, and hgh matures your bones only from the igf1 the liver produces and nothing can stop that process.

HGH will close it faster the point is to grow more and for longer

 

[India lover 52]

HGH will close it faster the point is to grow more and for longer

you can't grow past your genetic limit predetermined by the number of stem cells in your cartilage crashing your e2 will keep your plates open but that doesn't mean you will be taller infact you will probably be shorter from crashed e2

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

you can't grow past your genetic limit predetermined by the number of stem cells in your cartilage crashing your e2 will keep your plates open but that doesn't mean you will be taller infact you will probably be shorter from crashed e2

you're an idiot btw

 

[India lover 52]

you're an idiot btw

lmao have fun nuking your estrogen while i heightmog your entire bloodline with pure genetics

 

[India lover 52]

you're an idiot btw

not a single person in your entire lineage will ever be as tall as me lmao and i've never taken anything for height

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

not a single person in your entire lineage will ever be as tall as me lmao and i've never taken anything for height

Your name is India Lover, even if you height mog me you look subhuman

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

lmao have fun nuking your estrogen while i heightmog your entire bloodline with pure genetics

Bro's 5,11 LMAOO

 

[India lover 52]

Your name is India Lover, even if you height mog me you look subhuman

lmao im not actually indian retard

 

[India lover 52]

Bro's 5,11 LMAOO

mogged to the fucking slums of mumbai and back

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

mogged to the fucking slums of mumbai and backView attachment 4649128

proved nothing on how heightmaxxing is cope goofy

 

[AtrophicPyra]

proved nothing on how heightmaxxing is cope goofy

i just did some research abt this, igf1 ages ur bones faster however its nothing compared to estrogen which is the main hormone that closes ur growth plates, i feel like making ur estrogen lower than it needs to be is not needed, but what peps do u think i would need to take to inhibit SOME estrogen/e2 so it can balance out with the igf1 levels skyrocketing

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

i just did some research abt this, igf1 ages ur bones faster however its nothing compared to estrogen which is the main hormone that closes ur growth plates, i feel like making ur estrogen lower than it needs to be is not needed, but what peps do u think i would need to take to inhibit SOME estrogen/e2 so it can balance out with the igf1 levels skyrocketing

Not lower than it needs to be, just at 15-20 pg/mL. This is the normal for many people

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Not lower than it needs to be, just at 15-20 pg/mL. This is the normal for many people

and i can take it without even needing to take test or hgh just to keep my growth plates open for longer?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

and i can take it without even needing to take test or hgh just to keep my growth plates open for longer?

Dude I’ve repeated it 1000 times. HGH to grow faster, tamoxifen to help keep growth plates open faster, estrogen at 15-20 25( MAX) pg/mL with an AI, test if needed, etc. obviously theoretical advice and not real. Do your research on heightmaxxing dude there’s literal forums on it

 

[India lover 52]

proved nothing on how heightmaxxing is cope goofy

because even if you take all the arimidex and hgh in the world your not getting anywhere near my height because of my genetics alone, might as well give up and accept being a manlet better than nuking your estrogen and turning into a retard for a theoretical chance to gain a extra inch

btw your plates being open means nothing if theres no stem cells in the cartilage

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

because even if you take all the arimidex and hgh in the world your not getting anywhere near my height because of my genetics alone, might as well give up and accept being a manlet better than nuking your estrogen and turning into a retard for a theoretical chance to gain a extra inch

btw your plates being open means nothing if theres no stem cells in the cartilage

You’re a retard btw. People have gone +7-8 inches above their FHP. Stem cells don’t burn out that fast you absolute retard, it’s estrogen that’s the main point of nuance you tard. BPC-157 and TB-500 while heightmaxxing allows them to stay going for significantly longer and you can easily extend growth plate lifespan by 2-3 years which if extremely optimized you can gain +5- theoretically 12 inches. You’re an absolute idiot grey who doesn’t understand looksmaxxing.

 

[India lover 52]

You’re a retard btw. People have gone +7-8 inches above their FHP. Stem cells don’t burn out that fast you absolute retard, it’s estrogen that’s the main point of nuance you tard. BPC-157 and TB-500 while heightmaxxing allows them to stay going for significantly longer and you can easily extend growth plate lifespan by 2-3 years which if extremely optimized you can gain +5- theoretically 12 inches. You’re an absolute idiot grey who doesn’t understand looksmaxxing.

lmao you think if you could go 8 inches above your predicted height there would be alot more 6'8 looksmaxers

btw bpc and tb500 is doing absolutely jack shit lmao

it doesn't matter how fast the stem cells burn out you can't go beyond the limit set by them

have fun retarding yourself from nuking your e2 while i height mog you because my parents are tall

geneticspill is brutal

 

[AtrophicPyra]

lmao you think if you could go 8 inches above your predicted height there would be alot more 6'8 looksmaxers

btw bpc and tb500 is doing absolutely jack shit lmao

it doesn't matter how fast the stem cells burn out you can't go beyond the limit set by them

have fun retarding yourself from nuking your e2 while i height mog you because my parents are tall

geneticspill is brutal

not glazing but @HardcoreLooksmaxxer is partialy right, tb500 and bpc157 both help with androgen sensitivity and have their own benefits, maybe they wont help as much in height other than help the ai's do their job but they r not useless, as long as ur estradiol is above 15ml ur not gonna have any negative side effects and only gain the benefits

 

[India lover 52]

not glazing but @HardcoreLooksmaxxer is partialy right, tb500 and bpc157 both help with androgen sensitivity and have their own benefits, maybe they wont help as much in height other than help the ai's do their job but they r not useless, as long as ur estradiol is above 15ml ur not gonna have any negative side effects and only gain the benefits

androgen sensitivity has absolutely 0 effect on height and while you are right about the estrogen thing that is really hard to achieve without taking testosterone if your on an ai

btw there is no way to go above your genetic height limit taking hgh and an ai will just make sure you get to that limit if you had poor habits in puberty or your plates were gonna close early

 

[AtrophicPyra]

androgen sensitivity has absolutely 0 effect on height and while you are right about the estrogen thing that is really hard to achieve without taking testosterone if your on an ai

btw there is no way to go above your genetic height limit taking hgh and an ai will just make sure you get to that limit if you had poor habits in puberty or your plates were gonna close

your genetics close your growth plates and age them you can combat that through ai and hgh, genetics are not a ceiling they are just the blueprint. thats why people with a tumor in their pituitary gland can reach heights like 7 foot or 8 foot, their genetics were probably capped at 5'11 or smth but bec of the excessive amount of hgh they grew more than they needed to.

 

[India lover 52]

your genetics close your growth plates and age them you can combat that through ai and hgh, genetics are not a ceiling they are just the blueprint. thats why people with a tumor in their pituitary gland can reach heights like 7 foot or 8 foot, their genetics were probably capped at 5'11 or smth but bec of the excessive amount of hgh they grew more than they needed to.

yes but they produce the equivalent of 20+ ius for their entire life or until the tumor is removed, robert wadlow grew like a foot in his coffin after he died his plates never closed that doesn't apply to normal people

 

[AtrophicPyra]

yes but they produce the equivalent of 20+ ius for their entire life or until the tumor is removed, robert wadlow grew like a foot in his coffin after he died his plates never closed that doesn't apply to normal people

that wasn't the point, it shows that if you intervene enough with pharmacology you could increase your HFP, and abt the stem cells, type 1 diabetics have zero stem cells in their pancreas but take insulin which is a peptide to stay alive and counteract the pancreas not producing insulin, meaning you could literally do the same thing for your growth plates if the stems cells "died off"

 

[India lover 52]

that wasn't the point, it shows that if you intervene enough with pharmacology you could increase your HFP, and abt the stem cells, type 1 diabetics have zero stem cells in their pancreas but take insulin which is a peptide to stay alive and counteract the pancreas not producing insulin, meaning you could literally do the same thing for your growth plates if the stems cells "died off"

well until we have peptides that can produce/mimic chondrocytes theres nothing you can do but take hgh to make sure you reach your full height potential

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

yes but they produce the equivalent of 20+ ius for their entire life or until the tumor is removed, robert wadlow grew like a foot in his coffin after he died his plates never closed that doesn't apply to normal people

You’re contradicting yourself and clearly showing genetics aren’t the ceiling you absolute tard

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

well until we have peptides that can produce/mimic chondrocytes theres nothing you can do but take hgh to make sure you reach your full height potential

Teriparatide keeps chondrocytes alive for significantly longer genius Epithalon helps with preserving and keeping the stem cells while bpc and tb help with the cell migration and angiogenesis in the growth plates to deliver more nutrition to the stem cells and cells. Stop saying cope lmfao

 

[India lover 52]

You’re contradicting yourself and clearly showing genetics aren’t the ceiling you absolute tard

yeah bro someone with a brain tumor on their pituitary and someone taking shitty Chinese hgh are the same thing fucking tard

 

[India lover 52]

Teriparatide keeps chondrocytes alive for significantly longer genius Epithalon helps with preserving and keeping the stem cells while bpc and tb help with the cell migration and angiogenesis in the growth plates to deliver more nutrition to the stem cells and cells. Stop saying cope lmfao

take your peptides and arimedex i would love to be proven wrong if you can grow past your predicted height by a significant amount and prove it i'll believe you but rn your just larping on a forum

either way your not gonna be as tall as me tho

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

take your peptides and arimedex i would love to be proven wrong if you can grow past your predicted height by a significant amount and prove it i'll believe you but rn your just larping on a forum

either way your not gonna be as tall as me tho

Lmfao bet

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

take your peptides and arimedex i would love to be proven wrong if you can grow past your predicted height by a significant amount and prove it i'll believe you but rn your just larping on a forum

either way your not gonna be as tall as me tho

I’m 5,8 16 rn predicted 5,10 I’ll update you in 3 years if you’re still here

 

[India lover 52]

I’m 5,8 16 rn predicted 5,10 I’ll update you in 3 years if you’re still here

alr bet

 

[greedpsl]

im looking for bone growth height, male dimorphism and muscularity, less anxiety/cortisol, relaxed cns, give advice on what else to add or remove
selank - 400mcg
bpc157- 300 mcg
hgh - 8 iu
estradiol to help t4 whilst taking hgh -50mcg(need opinions on this)

after growth plates close

taking testosterone enanthate or cypionate - 400mg
arimidex when you start seeing high estrogenic symptoms - 0.25mg
then taking HCG during whole cycle and months after - 400 iu
then clomiphene or tamoxifen as a pct just to be safe - 20mg both(need opinions on this)

What about hair loss and extreme bloat

 

[AtrophicPyra]

What about hair loss and extreme bloat

minoxidil, extreme bloat is temporary becoming Slenderman is permenant