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One thing I've ever heard from normies in my life, without a fail, is that I should open up and just be more open about myself and everything really. I've got countless comments of "you're a closed person".
And that's what I've been applying when talking with girls. Being more open about myself, things, etc, sharing personal stuff with them, stories, experience. And to a degree I've never been as successful as any time ever before in my life (still khhv btw), but managed to land several dates and many more have agreed to go on one too.
Now today, I know I've fucked up and talked way too openly about some stuff, personal stuff and insecurities even, which is a death sentence in front of a girl, as many are aware. But for that I've been offered an advice, along the lines of "the person you're talking with has to earn the information from you, to not seem like you're sharing this information with everyone". I.e. emotional promiscuity.
So... My question is. What is the right thing to do? Be closed down, be open or find a middle ground in between?
Also why the fuck was I being all emotional in front of a girl? She is based af, when talking with her, but also feel like I'm committing suicide, by showing my weaknesses and emotionality. Talking about honesty and genuinety to an utmost highest degree, without a filter, things I know not to talk about with girls. She was the first girl in my life, with which I felt like I can talk about anything and open up completely, i.e. I've committed suicide and now I'm volcel.
 
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I just need advice tbh, on how I should do things. And I don't have anywhere else to go. I know that this place is fucked, so. Woe is me.
 
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In the middle , talk "openly" about trival things like you dont like curent kind of weather , that you hate that bitch form hr or something
Dont talk about that your uncle touch your peepee and that left you with emotional scars Jfl or something like that
 
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In the middle , talk "openly" about trival things like you dont like curent kind of weather , that you hate that bitch form hr or something
Dont talk about that your uncle touch your peepee and that left you with emotional scars Jfl or something like that
I know for a fact, that showing weakness and being emotional is really bad against a girl. Yet, I still did it, while realising it and also talking about it with her. Is that... Fucked up? It was a topic of honesty, to a degree.
Or like devaluing yourself, showing lower value of yourself, for sake of being honest. Why am I so fucked up? On the other hand, this girl has very similar worldview to mine and is very traditional, hates sluts and modern world. So in that sense, she's very unusual, also asocial, most likely virgin, as in tge past 4 years she never even met up with a guy.
Feel like I'm intentionally doing this right now.
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I know for a fact, that showing weakness and being emotional is really bad against a girl. Yet, I still did it, while realising it and also talking about it with her. Is that... Fucked up? It was a topic of honesty, to a degree.
Feel like I'm intentionally doing this right now.
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Stop doing that
Why do I do it, while realising it? Am I insane? I felt like I had to do it, even though I knew it was bad. Actually, felt like I was doing a test, to see whether she'd accept me for who I am.
 
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Why do I do it, while realising it? Am I insane? I felt like I had to do it, even though I knew it was bad. Actually, felt like I was doing a test, to see whether she'd accept me for who I am.
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Dude stop
This is unrealistic
No women like weakness
She will feel pity for you and her pussy will be dry like valley of death
 
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So... My question is. What is the right thing to do? Be closed down, be open or find a middle ground in between?
morally, or strategically?
 
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morally, or strategically?
Guess I know the answer to both, if you dissect it as such. Though, is not what I'm looking for(black vs white). Guess it doesn't really matter, if you're ugly - you can't do any good. So all your actions are ultimately in vain.
 
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Guess I know the answer to both, if you dissect it as such. Though, is not what I'm looking for(black vs white). Guess it doesn't really matter, if you're ugly - you can't do any good. So all your actions are ultimately in vain.
do you though?
 
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do you though?
Morally I should be true to myself. Strategically I should psychopathmaxx to get what I want, regardless of morals or ideals.
But in reality I should do neither.
I couldn't do the latter and I only end up doing the former.
But wasn't really what I was looking after though. Things are of different shades of gray, not black and white.
Though my life is all just black - it's actually incredible to me, how bad I do at life...
I don't comprehend how not a single person has ever liked me even for a little bit. I'm not a bad person, never did anything bad to anyone nor do I wish to...
 
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I don't comprehend how not a single person has ever liked me even for a little bit. I'm not a bad person, never did anything bad to anyone nor do I wish to...
they have, why do you think this?
 
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they have, why do you think this?
0 friends. Got nobody to talk to. Every girl I ever met ends up ghosting me/blocking me.
Last person I talked to in real life was weeks ago with a doctor at hospital.
I have literally nothing. Never even had anyone either. So I don't know what else to think anymore.
 
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0 friends. Got nobody to talk to. Every girl I ever met ends up ghosting me/blocking me.
Last person I talked to in real life was weeks ago with a doctor at hospital.
I have literally nothing. Never even had anyone either. So I don't know what else to think anymore.
have you ever had friends in the past?
 
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have you ever had friends in the past?
Looking back on it, only acquaintances, if I can even call them that...
Had a few friends in middle/junior school, but they've moved away to different country/city, etc, so never saw them ever since.
 
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Looking back on it, only acquaintances, if I can even call them that...
Had a few friends in middle/junior school, but they've moved away to different country/city, etc, so never saw them ever since.
can relate. i didnt have too many close friends in high school either
 
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Looking back on it, only acquaintances, if I can even call them that...
Had a few friends in middle/junior school, but they've moved away to different country/city, etc, so never saw them ever since.
yeah? most friends are just that of circumstance. rarely are they actually going to be people you're able to be fully open with. just find some topic you find mildly interesting and talk to people about it. it's entirely mental
 
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0 friends. Got nobody to talk to. Every girl I ever met ends up ghosting me/blocking me.
Last person I talked to in real life was weeks ago with a doctor at hospital.
I have literally nothing. Never even had anyone either. So I don't know what else to think anymore.
you have to put yourself out there

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dont open up emotionally to women. its ok to share fun experiences but when you get into emotional matters they usually dont care and get turned off, even when you tell them that you like them or something. when going on a date, i barely even talk, let them carry the conversation in the beginning, then share a fun experience or two, then you should be able to make a move and the entire mood will be more relaxed and the conversation will flow naturally.
 
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you have to put yourself out there

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Is this a meme?
Obviously, I've been putting myself "out there". I go nag people about stuff and go ask them for things, tell them I want to do things, want to participate, etc...? Always show incentive, but nobody ever reciprocates.
I had a job interview weeks ago, it went well, we've talked for over an hour and they said they'll call me back to arrange a time for an in-person interview with technical people... To never hear back from them again.
It's like that with everything I do in life.
Like even my current job, the only reason I got, was not because talked about myself, about life and had a "nice chat" with a ceo and he liked me. Not because of my skills or experience or that I showed confidence, etc or anything really. No, the reason he took me in, because he couldn't find anyone else that would accept the position. Literally out of desperation.
I just don't get it. Even that took me months to get, by sheer luck mind you and it's not even the job I want to work or even be there. I've been looking for something else ever since. I've got to think it's me? I mean what else at this point. I don't even want to think about it, it's better to just do *something*, so that you can't think about any of this. It's way too crushing.
 
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Just pretend to be nt
people do that all the time
 
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dont open up emotionally to women. its ok to share fun experiences but when you get into emotional matters they usually dont care and get turned off, even when you tell them that you like them or something. when going on a date, i barely even talk, let them carry the conversation in the beginning, then share a fun experience or two, then you should be able to make a move and the entire mood will be more relaxed and the conversation will flow naturally.
I do that... It's just this one time, was where I found a girl which was really "down to earth" and we had a lot in common. I felt like "opening up" and showing who I am, fully and without hiding anything, so to say.
She had really nice worldview and we shared a lot of similarities, thought she'd understand or would like to do so... Traditional, hates sluts, wants children and family, hates modern world and is in general holding similar view in regards to world as people do here. She even frequents 4chan, so that's understandable...
My dates generally have been near disasters, because all the girls were very introverted and very shy. I had to carry most of the conversations, otherwise it'd be 90% completely dead silence. There were girls that could talk more than me, but it's not like I have troubles talking with them or carrying the conversation. I actually would say that I've never opened up to any girl on a date, just couldn't really... So that's not the problem. Problem was always looks. Even though I never really hit it off all that well with any of the girls I went on a date, but I don't think any single one has went bad enough, to just get flat out ghosted/blocked afterwards, but it is what it is... Always had nice and pleasant conversations with them and all of them said they'd like to meet again/enjoyed spending time with me. Actions speak louder than any words though.
 
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Just pretend to be nt
people do that all the time
I probably couldn't even pretend to be anything anymore. I have no clue or insight into interpersonal relationships with people, as I never had any kind of relations with anyone really to be able to pretend to be anything at all.
I am just... Me. I wouldn't know though, how to pretend to be somebody else, in the end I don't see much of a reason to deceive to such a degree, as to become a person who is not me, as if acquiring a multiple personality disorder, if you may. I can't see it working any long term, as that's what I'm looking for... Not that it matters what I'm looking for. Nobody gives a shit about me or ever did.
 
yeah? most friends are just that of circumstance. rarely are they actually going to be people you're able to be fully open with. just find some topic you find mildly interesting and talk to people about it. it's entirely mental
That doesn't even sound like a friend in the first place. I don't have troubles talking with people, how many times do I have to repeat it? Nobody wants to interact with me.
 
That doesn't even sound like a friend in the first place. I don't have troubles talking with people, how many times do I have to repeat it? Nobody wants to interact with me.
it's a "friend". you're not getting a fucking life long emotional companion. most people I'm friends with are just that way out of coincedence, circumstance. had it been slightly different I wouldn't even know their names. friends are just people you spend time with really. I don't want to "open up" regardless either because of personal preference or societal standards. rather just talk about some stupid shit and have fun
 
I do that... It's just this one time, was where I found a girl which was really "down to earth" and we had a lot in common. I felt like "opening up" and showing who I am, fully and without hiding anything, so to say.
She had really nice worldview and we shared a lot of similarities, thought she'd understand or would like to do so... Traditional, hates sluts, wants children and family, hates modern world and is in general holding similar view in regards to world as people do here. She even frequents 4chan, so that's understandable...
My dates generally have been near disasters, because all the girls were very introverted and very shy. I had to carry most of the conversations, otherwise it'd be 90% completely dead silence. There were girls that could talk more than me, but it's not like I have troubles talking with them or carrying the conversation. I actually would say that I've never opened up to any girl on a date, just couldn't really... So that's not the problem. Problem was always looks. Even though I never really hit it off all that well with any of the girls I went on a date, but I don't think any single one has went bad enough, to just get flat out ghosted/blocked afterwards, but it is what it is... Always had nice and pleasant conversations with them and all of them said they'd like to meet again/enjoyed spending time with me. Actions speak louder than any words though.
hate to break it to you bro, but sluts hate sluts. most of the slutshaming comes from women, ive seen it myself. my ex was shit talking all her friends and acquaintances for being sluts and painting herself an angel with a halo, when in reality she was a slut herself. theres a reason why the expression "show me your friends and i will tell you who you are" exists and has been very useful when deciding relationships for me, romantic or not. since she rejected you for opening up, its very likely she wasnt all that different, she mightve just been a tradthot. claiming to be all those things just to appeal to people like you when in reality shes just like all the rest.

since you get to go to dates, youre already doing better than most people on the forum. you just need to communicate better what youre after. many of them might think you want A but you might be looking for B, so just work on that.
 
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One thing I've ever heard from normies in my life, without a fail, is that I should open up and just be more open about myself and everything really. I've got countless comments of "you're a closed person".
And that's what I've been applying when talking with girls. Being more open about myself, things, etc, sharing personal stuff with them, stories, experience. And to a degree I've never been as successful as any time ever before in my life (still khhv btw), but managed to land several dates and many more have agreed to go on one too.
Now today, I know I've fucked up and talked way too openly about some stuff, personal stuff and insecurities even, which is a death sentence in front of a girl, as many are aware. But for that I've been offered an advice, along the lines of "the person you're talking with has to earn the information from you, to not seem like you're sharing this information with everyone". I.e. emotional promiscuity.
So... My question is. What is the right thing to do? Be closed down, be open or find a middle ground in between?
Also why the fuck was I being all emotional in front of a girl? She is based af, when talking with her, but also feel like I'm committing suicide, by showing my weaknesses and emotionality. Talking about honesty and genuinety to an utmost highest degree, without a filter, things I know not to talk about with girls. She was the first girl in my life, with which I felt like I can talk about anything and open up completely, i.e. I've committed suicide and now I'm volcel.
I wish you were a girl tbh, you would be just perfect.
 
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theres a reason why the expression "show me your friends and i will tell you who you are" exists and has been very useful when deciding relationships for me, romantic or not.
Tell me about me. I have literally nobody. What does that say?
since you get to go to dates, youre already doing better than most people on the forum. you just need to communicate better what youre after. many of them might think you want A but you might be looking for B, so just work on that.
I don't think I can be any more clearer as to what I'm after.
The problem is looks though. I'm appealing to some niche girls, which honestly are mostly low value females in the first place, but regardless, when we meet I see it instantly, that they're very disappointed and feel uncomfortable/want to escape.
I'm literally khhv wizard. How can I be doing anything better than anyone at all?
The few scrap dates that I've got, honestly, in a way I wish I didn't. As it cost me A LOT of time and money in exchange for some depressing sad memories and a reminder of how valueless as a person I am to everyone in this world. Like I'm just thinking that the few dates I've went on just made things even worse for me, because it just doesn't make sense. Made me lose any kind of sliver of trust I ever had in people.
 
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One thing I've ever heard from normies in my life, without a fail, is that I should open up and just be more open about myself and everything really. I've got countless comments of "you're a closed person".
And that's what I've been applying when talking with girls. Being more open about myself, things, etc, sharing personal stuff with them, stories, experience. And to a degree I've never been as successful as any time ever before in my life (still khhv btw), but managed to land several dates and many more have agreed to go on one too.
Now today, I know I've fucked up and talked way too openly about some stuff, personal stuff and insecurities even, which is a death sentence in front of a girl, as many are aware. But for that I've been offered an advice, along the lines of "the person you're talking with has to earn the information from you, to not seem like you're sharing this information with everyone". I.e. emotional promiscuity.
So... My question is. What is the right thing to do? Be closed down, be open or find a middle ground in between?
Also why the fuck was I being all emotional in front of a girl? She is based af, when talking with her, but also feel like I'm committing suicide, by showing my weaknesses and emotionality. Talking about honesty and genuinety to an utmost highest degree, without a filter, things I know not to talk about with girls. She was the first girl in my life, with which I felt like I can talk about anything and open up completely, i.e. I've committed suicide and now I'm volcel.
Be yourself and adapt to situations. You cannot maintain a mask forever...
 
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I don't think I can be any more clearer as to what I'm after.
The problem is looks though. I'm appealing to some niche girls, which honestly are mostly low value females in the first place, but regardless, when we meet I see it instantly, that they're very disappointed and feel uncomfortable/want to escape.
I'm literally khhv wizard. How can I be doing anything better than anyone at all?
The few scrap dates that I've got, honestly, in a way I wish I didn't. As it cost me A LOT of time and money in exchange for some depressing sad memories and a reminder of how valueless as a person I am to everyone in this world. Like I'm just thinking that the few dates I've went on just made things even worse for me, because it just doesn't make sense. Made me lose any kind of sliver of trust I ever had in people.
you mightve gotten too comfortable on the selfpitty train but if you get to go on dates, that means that half the job is already done, they already like you. the goal is to capitalise and not feel sorry about yourself when you dont do something with it. take it as you may, but thats the truth and your looks clearly arent to blame as if they were, you wouldnt be getting those dates.

Tell me about me. I have literally nobody. What does that say?
idk, i dont have anyone either.
 
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you mightve gotten too comfortable on the selfpitty train but if you get to go on dates, that means that half the job is already done, they already like you. the goal is to capitalise and not feel sorry about yourself when you dont do something with it. take it as you may, but thats the truth and your looks clearly arent to blame as if they were, you wouldnt be getting those dates.


idk, i dont have anyone either.
I've never been "depressed" on the dates. If anything, I've always been very happy and grateful they chose to spend their time with me instead of doing anything else. "Self-pitty" comes from the realisation of how awful the life actually is and when it becomes too difficult to proceed on living anymore. Call it coping.
I think the dates have been just pure luck though, that greatly misrepresents the reality.
Only a single girl ever met up with me for a second time, to then, of course, ghost me afterwards.
My standards are non-existent. I go for anyone who replies, essentially, that's why I even got the dates. If I had any kinds of standards, it'd be 0 for sure.
The problem is that dates are ruining me, in a way. Because when another person seemingly is interested in you, talks with you, shares their things with you, smiles at you, tells you they'd like to meet you again, etc, etc, to just then get blocked after getting back home... Like wtf can you even think or feel at that point anymore?
 
Be yourself and adapt to situations. You cannot maintain a mask forever...
I do... Obviously I fail and do everything wrong. Wouldn't be here otherwise...?
 
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You're smart and blackpilled but it's worth to mention that this alone means that you're holding back a lot of what you trully think. We are not meant to build deep connection with everyone, nor we should be looking for that. Sometimes I have nothing in common with someone, and I dont relate with nothing, so they're likely to consider me a closed person. "Private" as they say.

Analyse the situation properly and look into what you might be doing wrong. In my case I'm not able to adapt to all normal social situations cuz I'm just not used to it. A matter of practice... but I'm also aware that the type of person that I am it's just not possible get along with everyone. And I'm not gonna force that. For nobody.
 
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how are you 30 still on this site? you should have a wife n kids lmao
 
I just need advice tbh, on how I should do things. And I don't have anywhere else to go. I know that this place is fucked, so. Woe is me.
You should be open to your male best friend ONLY or your closest bros. You can be open with women but you have to lie and don't make yourself look vulnerable or weak
 
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I just need advice tbh, on how I should do things. And I don't have anywhere else to go. I know that this place is fucked, so. Woe is me.
You should be open to your male best friend ONLY or your closest bros. You can be open with women but you have to lie and don't make yourself look vulnerable or weak
 
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One thing I've ever heard from normies in my life, without a fail, is that I should open up and just be more open about myself and everything really. I've got countless comments of "you're a closed person".
And that's what I've been applying when talking with girls. Being more open about myself, things, etc, sharing personal stuff with them, stories, experience. And to a degree I've never been as successful as any time ever before in my life (still khhv btw), but managed to land several dates and many more have agreed to go on one too.
Now today, I know I've fucked up and talked way too openly about some stuff, personal stuff and insecurities even, which is a death sentence in front of a girl, as many are aware. But for that I've been offered an advice, along the lines of "the person you're talking with has to earn the information from you, to not seem like you're sharing this information with everyone". I.e. emotional promiscuity.
So... My question is. What is the right thing to do? Be closed down, be open or find a middle ground in between?
Also why the fuck was I being all emotional in front of a girl? She is based af, when talking with her, but also feel like I'm committing suicide, by showing my weaknesses and emotionality. Talking about honesty and genuinety to an utmost highest degree, without a filter, things I know not to talk about with girls. She was the first girl in my life, with which I felt like I can talk about anything and open up completely, i.e. I've committed suicide and now I'm volcel.

Advice no. 1: Never take advice from a girl

Advice no. 2: Don't share too much personal information, actually ever, unless you're in a relationship.
 
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Even though I never really hit it off all that well with any of the girls I went on a date, but I don't think any single one has went bad enough, to just get flat out ghosted/blocked afterwards, but it is what it is... Always had nice and pleasant conversations with them and all of them said they'd like to meet again/enjoyed spending time with me. Actions speak louder than any words though.

I've actually had this happen on dates like 5 times. The last time the girl was still nice to me but said: "You really just aren't my type. Sorry."
Which essentially means: "You're ugly" of course. I am 99% sure, if you get ghosted, it's mostly because of your looks.
Atleast the 5th time this happened, the girl actually told me the truth (it never occured to me before).
That's when I started to care more about my looks. I am still just a normie, but atleast I was never ghosted again. I am 99% sure it's the same reason for you.
 
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I've actually had this happen on dates like 5 times. The last time the girl was still nice to me but said: "You really just aren't my type. Sorry."
Which essentially means: "You're ugly" of course. I am 99% sure, if you get ghosted, it's mostly because of your looks.
Atleast the 5th time this happened, the girl actually told me the truth (it never occured to me before).
That's when I started to care more about my looks. I am still just a normie, but atleast I was never ghosted again. I am 99% sure it's the same reason for you.
Yeah. Everyone tells me there is something wrong with "me", i.e. not my looks. I mean, here of all places...

Advice no. 1: Never take advice from a girl

Advice no. 2: Don't share too much personal information, actually ever, unless you're in a relationship.
I don't think that the "advice" was bad. It makes sense... And it's essentially your second point here. But when you're talking with a human about things such as, do you just say "I'm not going to provide this information", etc? Of course not... It all comes back to either avoiding it or flat out lying, well, either way it'd be a white lie essentially, in most cases.
 
You should be open to your male best friend ONLY or your closest bros. You can be open with women but you have to lie and don't make yourself look vulnerable or weak
Yeah, I know, as I said, I was deceived and thought that MAYBE I've found a gold vein. I was wrong. Seemed like the best course of action is to be literally me and genuine. Time and time again I get burnt on that. I know I should psychopathmaxx, for many years by now, but I just can't force it on myself. It's not who I am in the end. I don't know what's the solution, besides rope. Rope is always the solution to every single problem in this world.
I don't have anyone in my life, so this is the only place where I even get to talk to people. 0 irl. As I also said, I just don't know inherent social dynamics between people anymore, I suppose, because I never had anyone in my life, even a friend.
 
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Yeah, I know, as I said, I was deceived and thought that MAYBE I've found a gold vein. I was wrong. Seemed like the best course of action is to be literally me and genuine. Time and time again I get burnt on that. I know I should psychopathmaxx, for many years by now, but I just can't force it on myself. It's not who I am in the end. I don't know what's the solution, besides rope. Rope is always the solution to every single problem in this world.
I don't have anyone in my life, so this is the only place where I even get to talk to people. 0 irl. As I also said, I just don't know inherent social dynamics between people anymore, I suppose, because I never had anyone in my life, even a friend.
Force yourself to do it and part of it will stick with you naturally.

I know because I was in the whole "pick-up scene" for a while and while a lot of it is bullshit, there is some very good advice in there. Most of the good advice I got was from the "simple pickup forum". Sadly, I don't think it exists anymore. People there also had very very high lay counts. - I forced myself to use these methods and frankly, they worked. I am not as autistic about it anymore since I would have to fake a lot, but part of the teasing and flirting stuck with me.
It grows on you after a while.
 
Force yourself to do it and part of it will stick with you naturally.

I know because I was in the whole "pick-up scene" for a while and while a lot of it is bullshit, there is some very good advice in there. Most of the good advice I got was from the "simple pickup forum". Sadly, I don't think it exists anymore. People there also had very very high lay counts. - I forced myself to use these methods and frankly, they worked. I am not as autistic about it anymore since I would have to fake a lot, but part of the teasing and flirting stuck with me.
It grows on you after a while.
Am not sure what you're talking about here.
Like your stuff works, i.e. talking/flirting, because you're gl, if you're not, it doesn't matter what you say, as it'll never work.
What I meant, is that I have to abuse people and exploit them, to have a chance to be treated as a human, and I don't want to do that.
 
Yeah, I know, as I said, I was deceived and thought that MAYBE I've found a gold vein. I was wrong. Seemed like the best course of action is to be literally me and genuine. Time and time again I get burnt on that. I know I should psychopathmaxx, for many years by now, but I just can't force it on myself. It's not who I am in the end. I don't know what's the solution, besides rope. Rope is always the solution to every single problem in this world.
I don't have anyone in my life, so this is the only place where I even get to talk to people. 0 irl. As I also said, I just don't know inherent social dynamics between people anymore, I suppose, because I never had anyone in my life, even a friend.
Atleast you have good hair genetics unlike me.


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