Enclo + HGH details/thoughts

[darkromantica]

currently 190lbs 6'3 18yrs
looking into starting enclomiphene 12.5mg (for test) and hgh 4iu per day (offset and increase igf-1)
12 weeks on 4 weeks off for the hgh to prevent long term suppression and i might just run the enclo long term depending on how i tolerate it and estrogen levels
goals are obviously facial bone mass (mandible, brow ridge, cheekbones), potential frame width, and every other benefit of test or hgh like sleep motivation libido muscle mood etc

unsure as to whether i need an AI or not given my height and im not sure if estrogen closes your clavicle growth

appreciate any comments about improvements/revisions to the protocol or relevant research/anecdotes

might share before/after bloods and/or pics here later

I know TRT is better, im not interested in shutting my natural production (call me a pussy whatever) and enclo produces great results in most people just check r/enclomiphene most of those guys are older

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

 

[darkromantica]

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cant even read the post in 15 seconds lol

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

cant even read the post in 15 seconds lol

The title was enough

 

[darkromantica]

The title was enough

if youre making fun of the enclo like i said you can find many people getting above 900-1000 on reddit

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

if youre making fun of the enclo like i said you can find many people getting above 900-1000 on reddit

Thats shit

 

[darkromantica]

Thats shit

not everyone wants to be at 2000 punching holes in the wall all the time dude

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

not everyone wants to be at 2000 punching holes in the wall all the time dude

Test is super unlikely to make you do that, if youre scared of mental effects stay away from very androgenic shit like tren,ment,halo,sdrol etc and you wont run into those issues

 

[acsensionbeforeover]

im lowkey in the exact same situation as you. probably keep ai on hand don't try to pre dose it. and also note that any 'facial bone growth' (though very modest if any) will take 6-12+ months MINIMUM to show visually. i'd much rather hop on trt too but don't wanna deal with suppression bs and needing trt forever.

 

[darkromantica]

im lowkey in the exact same situation as you. probably keep ai on hand don't try to pre dose it. and also note that any 'facial bone growth' (though very modest if any) will take 6-12+ months MINIMUM to show visually. i'd much rather hop on trt too but don't wanna deal with suppression bs and needing trt forever.

Ye its basically just a lower risk dimorphism protocol (than pinning tren and test)

 

[TakaTeo]

currently 190lbs 6'3 18yrs
looking into starting enclomiphene 12.5mg (for test) and hgh 4iu per day (offset and increase igf-1)
12 weeks on 4 weeks off for the hgh to prevent long term suppression and i might just run the enclo long term depending on how i tolerate it and estrogen levels
goals are obviously facial bone mass (mandible, brow ridge, cheekbones), potential frame width, and every other benefit of test or hgh like sleep motivation libido muscle mood etc

unsure as to whether i need an AI or not given my height and im not sure if estrogen closes your clavicle growth

appreciate any comments about improvements/revisions to the protocol or relevant research/anecdotes

might share before/after bloods and/or pics here later

I know TRT is better, im not interested in shutting my natural production (call me a pussy whatever) and enclo produces great results in most people just check r/enclomiphene most of those guys are older

ESTROGEN
CLOSES
GROWTH
PLATES
READ ONE STUDY, ONE PAPER, I BEG YOU, I PLEAD YOU

 

[percslikemolly]

HGH dose is too low, 6-8 iu is the sweet spot if you are trying to grow if you do anything lower than that u r basically replacing ur natural production with something that is potentially lower than your natural production.

As for the enclo it works but the test it creates can and will aromatise so in turn taking it will close your plates making the hgh pretty much useless, also there is simply better things to take, TRT but obviously you are against that. If you really wanted to stick to this you could take an AI to stop premature plate closure due to increased estrogen but imo it’s not worth it and kinda retarted.

 

[PSLgodBlackPerson]

currently 190lbs 6'3 18yrs
looking into starting enclomiphene 12.5mg (for test) and hgh 4iu per day (offset and increase igf-1)
12 weeks on 4 weeks off for the hgh to prevent long term suppression and i might just run the enclo long term depending on how i tolerate it and estrogen levels
goals are obviously facial bone mass (mandible, brow ridge, cheekbones), potential frame width, and every other benefit of test or hgh like sleep motivation libido muscle mood etc

unsure as to whether i need an AI or not given my height and im not sure if estrogen closes your clavicle growth

appreciate any comments about improvements/revisions to the protocol or relevant research/anecdotes

might share before/after bloods and/or pics here later

I know TRT is better, im not interested in shutting my natural production (call me a pussy whatever) and enclo produces great results in most people just check r/enclomiphene most of those guys are older

Although there isn't much research on enclomiphene and its agonism to growth plate cartilage its safe to assume it binds there, since all the other SERMs are observed to have strong-moderate agonism to growth plate cartilage so you might be doing yourself a disservice from that standpoint. HGH itself doesn't really create any skeletal changes when it comes to height during puberty it would be safe to assume the same thing with facial development. (https://looksmax.org/threads/why-hgh-is-cope-and-will-not-work-for-you-hgh-users-gtfih.1887337/)
The only thing which might work a bit is enclomiphene if your looking for dimophoric features but it's not really good tbh, you want super physiological levels of test or use DHT to find a noticeable result, Kyan Stone took like a gram of test and Clavicular took like 500mg of test for physique and some dimophorism changes. However enclo shouldn't be your go to at all ngl.

 

[PSLgodBlackPerson]

Although there isn't much research on enclomiphene and its agonism to growth plate cartilage its safe to assume it binds there, since all the other SERMs are observed to have strong-moderate agonism to growth plate cartilage so you might be doing yourself a disservice from that standpoint. HGH itself doesn't really create any skeletal changes when it comes to height during puberty it would be safe to assume the same thing with facial development. (https://looksmax.org/threads/why-hgh-is-cope-and-will-not-work-for-you-hgh-users-gtfih.1887337/)
The only thing which might work a bit is enclomiphene if your looking for dimophoric features but it's not really good tbh, you want super physiological levels of test or use DHT to find a noticeable result, Kyan Stone took like a gram of test and Clavicular took like 500mg of test for physique and some dimophorism changes. However enclo shouldn't be your go to at all ngl.

I was actually wrong, androgens themselves don't really lead to dimophoric features like lengthening of the clavicle or height gains. The Black pill reaps once again. https://looksmax.org/threads/the-tr...-complete-review-of-all-the-evidence.1780987/

 

[darkromantica]

I was actually wrong, androgens themselves don't really lead to dimophoric features like lengthening of the clavicle or height gains. The Black pill reaps once again. https://looksmax.org/threads/the-tr...-complete-review-of-all-the-evidence.1780987/

Back to bonesmashing i guess

still doing enclo though for the mental benefits of high t but then igf1 lowers so add hgh - might just run ts anyways lol

I already have a 95th percentile frame so im good if i get nothing out of it

 

[darkromantica]

ESTROGEN
CLOSES
GROWTH
PLATES
READ ONE STUDY, ONE PAPER, I BEG YOU, I PLEAD YOU

U right i just mostly hear it about height idk if it works the same way for more dimorphic features and people say specifically the clavicles dont fuse until early-mid 20’s so it may perform differently

 

[percslikemolly]

Back to bonesmashing i guess

still doing enclo though for the mental benefits of high t but then igf1 lowers so add hgh - might just run ts anyways lol

I already have a 95th percentile frame so im good if i get nothing out of it

That's exactly what im taking it for, before i jump into my first cycle

 

[chang cypionate]

currently 190lbs 6'3 18yrs
looking into starting enclomiphene 12.5mg (for test) and hgh 4iu per day (offset and increase igf-1)
12 weeks on 4 weeks off for the hgh to prevent long term suppression and i might just run the enclo long term depending on how i tolerate it and estrogen levels
goals are obviously facial bone mass (mandible, brow ridge, cheekbones), potential frame width, and every other benefit of test or hgh like sleep motivation libido muscle mood etc

unsure as to whether i need an AI or not given my height and im not sure if estrogen closes your clavicle growth

appreciate any comments about improvements/revisions to the protocol or relevant research/anecdotes

might share before/after bloods and/or pics here later

I know TRT is better, im not interested in shutting my natural production (call me a pussy whatever) and enclo produces great results in most people just check r/enclomiphene most of those guys are older

Fucking dogshit stack I want to gouge my eyes out. Even if you do an actual good stack, your facial bones are not going to grow jfl. I can't tell if this is bait or not. No stack is going to make your face better. Fuck you.

 

[darkromantica]

Fucking dogshit stack I want to gouge my eyes out. Even if you do an actual good stack, your facial bones are not going to grow jfl. I can't tell if this is bait or not. No stack is going to make your face better. Fuck you.

noted