Enclomiphene + Proviron

[Deleted member 210219]

Did some research on non injection ways to boost test and I think these are probably the 2 best.
Lmk if there’s anything else or if these aren’t good

Don’t say to js take test cuz I don’t want to

 

[Deleted member 210745]

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

If youre scared of a fucking needle you shouldnt be doing steroids

Orals should be avoided over injectables for the sake of your liver

Theswill l also get you Very little muscle,proviron is used more for looking jard and dry and envlo is more for pct

 

[Deleted member 99272]

If youre scared of a fucking needle you shouldnt be doing steroids

Orals should be avoided over injectables for the sake of your liver

Theswill l also get you Very little muscle,proviron is used more for looking jard and dry and envlo is more for pct

enclo can be used not for pct, connor murphy on his youtube (natty plus protocol) has been using enclomiphene for 2 years pretty sure

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

enclo can be used not for pct, connor murphy on his youtube (natty plus protocol) has been using enclomiphene for 2 years pretty sure

Yeah it does increase test but obsolete when test exists

Pretty much just a cope for poepke who wanna be on the fence about doing steroids

 

[Deleted member 99272]

Yeah it does increase test but obsolete when test exists

Pretty much just a cope for poepke who wanna be on the fence about doing steroids

i agree. your test fluctuates and enclo its just like if you had your on your better days test on average which legit makes not difference to your development, its negliable

 

[Deleted member 210219]

If youre scared of a fucking needle you shouldnt be doing steroids

Orals should be avoided over injectables for the sake of your liver

Theswill l also get you Very little muscle,proviron is used more for looking jard and dry and envlo is more for pct

Idc abt muscle
1. For liver health I can just take NAC
2. My thought process is Enclo boosts test and Proviron boosts dht
I just want to masculinize as much as possible without needles

 

[Deleted member 210219]

i agree. your test fluctuates and enclo its just like if you had your on your better days test on average which legit makes not difference to your development, its negliable

With Proviron I think it would make a difference since it would be giving proviron more test to work with

 

[care]

Whats ur current test?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

i agree. your test fluctuates and enclo its just like if you had your on your better days test on average which legit makes not difference to your development, its negliable

Over for endocrine cycle cells

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Whats ur current test?

No clue gango
Ik that’s not smart but idk

 

[Deleted member 99272]

With Proviron I think it would make a difference since it would be giving proviron more test to work with

it wont do shit bro ima bfr wasting your time and money

 

[Deleted member 210219]

it wont do shit bro ima bfr wasting your time and money

How do yk tho
Like why do you say that

 

[Deleted member 99272]

How do yk tho
Like why do you say that

because i understand physiology. the net increase of test from those compounds is low and there will not give you any result over not doing that at all

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

With Proviron I think it would make a difference since it would be giving proviron more test to work with

What? Proviron doesnt work with test it acts as an androgen

Also youll get supressed by the proviron and your enclo wont be able to do shit since the proviron will just give a sttobger contradicting signal to your brain

This stack will make you look a but ryer and harder and age your organs and really age your faec if you dont use ru

 

[care]

No clue gango
Ik that’s not smart but idk

Then why do you wanna run enclo ?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Idc abt muscle
1. For liver health I can just take NAC
2. My thought process is Enclo boosts test and Proviron boosts dht
I just want to masculinize as much as possible without needles

Proviron does not boost dht,its a dht derivative so it will go into you body and be somewhat close chemically to dht and it will go into your androgen receptors,its still an exogenous hormone so it will shut down natural production

Also no test base will make you get weird fucking side effects and youll probs feel like shit

Test base is like steroids 101,even stupid fucking meatheads who dont even take ai or dut know this

And nac isnt fucking magic your still hurting your liver for very little benefit

 

[true_volcel]

Did some research on non injection ways to boost test and I think these are probably the 2 best.
Lmk if there’s anything else or if these aren’t good

Don’t say to js take test cuz I don’t want to

Ive been on enclo for about a month now. It's been great. I haven't done a before or after testosterone test, but my balls are bigger, my muscles are bigger and I am getting higher estro effects like high libido, so been pretty good. Im about to hop on my first test cycle, so I'll use it as a PCT too. But it's great as a TRT alternative.

 

[Deleted member 210219]

What? Proviron doesnt work with test it acts as an androgen

Also youll get supressed by the proviron and your enclo wont be able to do shit since the proviron will just give a sttobger contradicting signal to your brain

This stack will make you look a but ryer and harder and age your organs and really age your faec if you dont use ru

Doesn’t Proviron increase free testosterone

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Ive been on enclo for about a month now. It's been great. I haven't done a before or after testosterone test, but my balls are bigger, my muscles are bigger and I am getting higher estro effects like high libido, so been pretty good. Im about to hop on my first test cycle, so I'll use it as a PCT too. But it's great as a TRT alternative.

Finally someone who doesn’t say it’s cope

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Doesn’t Proviron increase free testosterone

For a very short time when your natural production hasnt been shut down yet

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Proviron does not boost dht,its a dht derivative so it will go into you body and be somewhat close chemically to dht and it will go into your androgen receptors,its still an exogenous hormone so it will shut down natural production

Also no test base will make you get weird fucking side effects and youll probs feel like shit

Test base is like steroids 101,even stupid fucking meatheads who dont even take ai or dut know this

And nac isnt fucking magic your still hurting your liver for very little benefit

Proviron doesn’t shut down production bro

 

[Deleted member 210219]

For a very short time when your natural production hasnt been shut down yet

Proviron doesn’t shut u down

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Then why do you wanna run enclo ?

Cuz it boosts test

 

[Deleted member 210219]

because i understand physiology. the net increase of test from those compounds is low and there will not give you any result over not doing that at all

I’ve heard certain people go up like 400 test from Enclo

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Proviron doesn’t shut u down

Yes it does,all exogenous androgens do

How have you not forgotten to breathe and died or sum

 

[care]

Cuz it boosts test

Are you retarded?

You don’t even know what ur base is and u wanna “boost test” with enclo, You won’t get anything other than gyno prob

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Yes it does,all exogenous androgens do

How have you not forgotten to breathe and died or sum

Can u show me where u learned that it shuts u down please

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

I’ve heard certain people go up like 400 test from Enclo

400 test will do very little and thats also umon the upper end of results

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Are you retarded?

You don’t even know what ur base is and u wanna “boost test” with enclo, You won’t get anything other than gyno prob

That’s like saying that taking zinc won’t raise ur test

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Can u show me where u learned that it shuts u down please

Literally if you google proviron it saus on the first sentance that its a AAMDROGEN AND ANABOLIC STEROID

 

[Deleted member 210219]

400 test will do very little and thats also umon the upper end of results

Bro what 400 test would def do stuff
Especially with the Proviron making it free

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

That’s like saying that taking zinc won’t raise ur test

Yeah it will do fuck all

Stop being a bitch and just pin or be natty

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Literally if you google proviron it saus on the first sentance that its a AAMDROGEN AND ANABOLIC STEROID

It’s a super weak anabolic

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Yeah it will do fuck all

Stop being a bitch and just pin or be natty

It still does boost it tho goon

 

[care]

That’s like saying that taking zinc won’t raise ur test

What the fuck are you saying G

@Frogooboi @vincentzygo jfl at this nigga

 

[Deleted member 210219]

What the fuck are you saying G

@Frogooboi @vincentzygo jfl at this nigga

r u saying that zinc doesn’t raise ur test levels?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Bro what 400 test would def do stuff
Especially with the Proviron making it free

People who do a moderate cycle of test,like 250mg whoch equally ish 2000ng/dl dont even grow very much so how do you think that 400 extra will help

Also that 400 will become -400 when doing proviron taking proviron and enclo and expecting more test is like taking a pill of melatonin and then smoking meth expecting to fall asleep

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

It’s a super weak anabolic

It has super weak anabolic effects but very strong androgenic effects which is the opposite of what you want and why you shoulsbt take it

 

[Deleted member 99272]

I’ve heard certain people go up like 400 test from Enclo

that is not good enough an improvement and enclo rarely gets even that, and test doesnt magically push you up in dimorphism gh would be better

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

It still does boost it tho goon

Are you stupid? How is it gonna bosst tou test when your production is shut down?

Im sure the 30% increase of 10ng/dl is gonna turn you into prime ronnie coleman

 

[Deleted member 210219]

It has super weak anabolic effects but very strong androgenic effects which is the opposite of what you want and why you shoulsbt take it

I want androgenic effects bro

 

[Deleted member 210219]

that is not good enough an improvement and enclo rarely gets even that, and test doesnt magically push you up in dimorphism gh would be better

Why’s that

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Are you stupid? How is it gonna bosst tou test when your production is shut down?

Im sure the 30% increase of 10ng/dl is gonna turn you into prime ronnie coleman

Production won’t be shut down

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

I want androgenic effects bro

Well if you wanna die early and age 20 years its gonna be great, thsi wont change your face unless if you use lethall doses

 

[Deleted member 99272]

It has super weak anabolic effects but very strong androgenic effects which is the opposite of what you want and why you shoulsbt take it

yeah thats not really a thing bro youll learn soon enough. the people you are hearing that from are merely speculating, andorgenic and clavicluar who promote ideas like that are bonesmashers and do diy surgeries on themselves its not gonna just masculinise all your features at all

 

[Deleted member 210219]

Well if you wanna die early and age 20 years its gonna be great, thsi wont change your face unless if you use lethall doses

I’m in puberty bro
Androgens are how u masculinize

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

yeah thats not really a thing bro youll learn soon enough. the people you are hearing that from are merely speculating, andorgenic and clavicluar who promote ideas like that are bonesmashers and do diy surgeries on themselves its not gonna just masculinise all your features at all

Yes i said that in another reponse

I mena androgenic effects like raped elastin and hairline and heart problems

 

[Deleted member 99272]

Why’s that

your dimorpsism is determined by your ratios which are genetic, higher bonemass can give better ratios in masculine ideals. gh does that test doesnt. theres a reason there is so many sub human bodybuilders

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

I’m in puberty bro
Androgens are how u masculinize

Dowsnt matter, roi from proviron is absolute shit thats why people use test sincemost effects are very desirable and also something like hgh,even then its unlikely youll get facial changes

So if youre going to do steroids use it for muscles