EPIGENETICS - The Nature Of Ugliness (HIGH IQ THREAD)

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"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful."

The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it.

What is beauty?
Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty is a measurement of health and dimorphism. These two factors ensure optimal survival and offspring creation + protection and have been therefore evolutionarily selected as attractive. People who find these traits attractive are more likely to successfully pass on their genes, which ensure their children find these traits attractive as well and therefore this trend is perpetually enforced.

For the purpose of this text, however, i will define beauty as the lack of ugliness.
Now what is ugliness?
As is apparent from what i said above, ugliness is a lack of health and dimorphism. The question i want to explore is how is ugliness brought into existence?

A very common belief among looksmaxers is that ugliness is a genetically inherited trait. Let's examine this stance.


Ugliness is genetic.

This position implies that there are certain genes which express through the lack of health and dimorphism. Essentially a genotype that dooms an individual to be unhealthy and/or non-dimorphic and therefore ugly.

The obvious fault in this theory is that although they theoretically can exist, these genes have simply no reason to be present in any noticeable amount. If a mutation occurs which causes an individual to become unhealthy and non-dimorphic, and therefore evolutionarily unfit, the mutated gene will be swiftly bred out and replaced by genes which are more fit for the environment. The truth is that if a certain gene is beneficial for survival and procreation it will spread itself and eventually be present in the whole population. If a gene is detrimental to survival and procreation it will not be able to spread itself successfully and will die out.

This proves unmistakeably that any trait which is considered unattractive cannot be, by nature, hereditary on a large scale. (this does not include purely genetic diseases like hyperdactyly, which, predictably, only affect a miniscule portion of the population)

Ugliness is not genetic.


Ugliness is epigenetic.


This is the opposing side. Somewhat less common on .org and practically unknown to the general population.

First of all, what are epigenetics. Simply put - everything outside of genetics, in other words the environment in which an organism exists.

The epigenetic looks theory states that ugliness is a result of unnatural environmental conditions. These conditions influence the organism in ways it is not evolutionarily adapted to, which causes the organism do get distorted. Only in conditions for which the organism is designed by millions of years of evolution can it develop and retain ideal levels of health and dimorphism. When it is faced with unnatural factors where natural factors are expected, the processes in the organism will be offset.

Very good evidence for this stance can be provided by studying craniofacial proportions of humans in comparison to other animals.
Nowadays we take for granted that human faces are present in a wide range of shapes and sizes. This characteristic, however makes humans an extreme outlier in terms of the animal kingdom.

Let's compare a group of male wolves with of group of male humans.


Volves modified

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You can clearly notice how strikingly similar the wolves' skulls are. The wolf is an organism precisely and deliberately designed by millions of year of natural selection and there is no biological reason for his skull to differ from individual to individual.

The humans on the other hand have all clearly very different craniofacial structure. Some have a higher gonial angle, some shorter midface, some have a bigger nose or a smaller mouth for example. Also notice how all of these humans are rather ugly.

It comes as obvious that humans, who were subject to same amount of natural selection as wolves for 99,9% of their history should all look as similar to each other as wolves do. And they would. That is, if it wasn't for epigenetics.

Humans no longer live in the conditions evolution prepared them for and this new environment has a catastrophic impact on their health and fertility. The organism essentially doesn't know how to properly develop and function in these new unprecedented conditions, which results in different kinds of biological malformations. The measure of environmental artificiality is directly related to the measure of ugliness with a causal link. The measure of environmental artificiality is also directly related to the measure of physical diversity with a causal link.

Ugliness is indeed epigenetic.


The beautiful human.


If i return to my definition of beauty as a lack of ugliness, i can conclude that the people who experience the least artificial epigenetic impact will be the most beautiful and most similar looking.

This brings about an interesting realization. That being that there are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful. There is only one kind optimal development, health and fertility. Only one ideal of beauty. (per population - may slightly differ from race to race) Take teeth for example. Only one correct alignment but many types of malocclusion and dental disorders. It is the same with all other biological parameters.

The truth is all true Chads look the same and all true Stacies look the same. They share core features like 90° gonial angle, equal zygomatic and bigonial width, tongue-wide palate, perfectly straight teeth, perfectly hooded eyes, perfectly straight nose, forward grown mandible, good undereye support and so on.

So what does a "true Chad" look like?

An optimally developed human male will look something like this:

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Tyler maher



An optimally developed human female will look something like this:

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Notice how the facial structures in both pairs are much more similar than what you normally see around. Very similar ratios and shapes.



I hope i brought some light into the nature of ugliness.

Dr. Bruh




+ bonus gigachad and gigastacy in colour

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"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful."

The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it.

What is beauty?
Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty is a measurement of health and dimorphism. These two factors ensure optimal survival and offspring creation + protection and have been therefore evolutionarily selected as attractive. People who find these traits attractive are more likely to successfully pass on their genes, which ensure their children find these traits attractive as well and therefore this trend is perpetually enforced.

For the purpose of this text, however, i will define beauty as the lack of ugliness.
Now what is ugliness?
As is apparent from what i said above, ugliness is a lack of health and dimorphism. The question i want to explore is how is ugliness brought into existence?

A very common belief among looksmaxers is that ugliness is a genetically inherited trait. Let's examine this stance.


Ugliness is genetic.

This position implies that there are certain genes which express through the lack of health and dimorphism. Essentially a genotype that dooms an individual to be unhealthy and/or non-dimorphic and therefore ugly.

The obvious fault in this theory is that although they theoretically can exist, these genes have simply no reason to be present in any noticeable amount. If a mutation occurs which causes an individual to become unhealthy and non-dimorphic, and therefore evolutionarily unfit, the mutated gene will be swiftly bred out and replaced by genes which are more fit for the environment. The truth is that if a certain gene is beneficial for survival and procreation it will spread itself and eventually be present in the whole population. If a gene is detrimental to survival and procreation it will not be able to spread itself successfully and will die out.

This proves unmistakeably that any trait which is considered unattractive cannot be, by nature, hereditary on a large scale. (this does not include purely genetic diseases like hyperdactyly, which, predictably, only affect a miniscule portion of the population)

Ugliness is not genetic.


Ugliness is epigenetic.


This is the opposing side. Somewhat less common on .org and practically unknown to the general population.

First of all, what are epigenetics. Simply put - everything outside of genetics, in other words the environment in which an organism exists.

The epigenetic looks theory states that ugliness is a result of unnatural environmental conditions. These conditions influence the organism in ways it is not evolutionarily adapted to, which causes the organism do get distorted. Only in conditions for which the organism is designed by millions of years of evolution can it develop and retain ideal levels of health and dimorphism. When it is faced with unnatural factors where natural factors are expected, the processes in the organism will be offset.

Very good evidence for this stance can be provided by studying craniofacial proportions of humans in comparison to other animals.
Nowadays we take for granted that human faces are present in a wide range of shapes and sizes. This characteristic, however makes humans an extreme outlier in terms of the animal kingdom.

Let's compare a group of male wolves with of group of male humans.


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You can clearly notice how strikingly similar the wolves' skulls are. The wolf is an organism precisely and deliberately designed by millions of year of natural selection and there is no biological reason for his skull to differ from individual to individual.

The humans on the other hand have all clearly very different craniofacial structure. Some have a higher gonial angle, some shorter midface, some have a bigger nose or a smaller mouth for example. Also notice how all of these humans are rather ugly.

It comes as obvious that humans, who were subject to same amount of natural selection as wolves for 99,9% of their history should all look as similar to each other as wolves do. And they would. That is, if it wasn't for epigenetics.

Humans no longer live in the conditions evolution prepared them for and this new environment has a catastrophic impact on their health and fertility. The organism essentially doesn't know how to properly develop and function in these new unprecedented conditions, which results in different kinds of biological malformations. The measure of environmental artificiality is directly related to the measure of ugliness with a causal link. The measure of environmental artificiality is also directly related to the measure of physical diversity with a causal link.

Ugliness is indeed epigenetic.


The beautiful human.


If i return to my definition of beauty as a lack of ugliness, i can conclude that the people who experience the least artificial epigenetic impact will be the most beautiful and most similar looking.

This brings about an interesting realization. That being that there are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful. There is only one kind optimal development, health and fertility. Only one ideal of beauty. (per population - may slightly differ from race to race) Take teeth for example. Only one correct alignment but many types of malocclusion and dental disorders. It is the same with all other biological parameters.

The truth is all true Chads look the same and all true Stacies look the same. They share core features like 90° gonial angle, equal zygomatic and bigonial width, tongue-wide palate, perfectly straight teeth, perfectly hooded eyes, perfectly straight nose, forward grown mandible, good undereye support and so on.

So what does a "true Chad" look like?

An optimally developed human male will look something like this:

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An optimally developed human female will look something like this:

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Notice how the facial structures in both pairs are much more similar than what you normally see around. Very similar ratios and shapes.



I hope i brought some light into the nature of ugliness.

Dr. Bruh




+ bonus gigachad and gigastacy in colour

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It's both actually... and the percentage in which genetics or epigenetics influence your looks depends on the degree of environmental manipulation influences your looks, especially at an early age.

If you do nothing, then it's probably mostly genetic.

If you eat properly, nose breathe, mew, and was given IGF-1 during puberty, and basically was looksmaxed to the core at an early age, you'll be a HTN at bare fucking least.

Alternatively, if you mouth breathe, was fed soy and high carbs everyday, obese at an early age and persisted throughout adulthood, stressed constantly, etc. You'll be lucky to be a MTN.
 
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It's both actually... and the percentage in which genetics or epigenetics influence your looks depends on the degree of environmental manipulation influences your looks, especially at an early age.

If you do nothing, then it's probably mostly genetic.

If you eat properly, nose breathe, mew, and was given IGF-1 during puberty, and basically was looksmaxed to the core at an early age, you'll be a HTN at bare fucking least.

Alternatively, if you mouth breathe, was fed soy and high carbs everyday, obese at an early age and persisted throughout adulthood, stressed constantly, etc. You'll be lucky to be a MTN.
It may be both technically but the genetic part is only present if you have an actual disorder, which is pretty rare.
 
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"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful."

The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it.

What is beauty?
Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty is a measurement of health and dimorphism. These two factors ensure optimal survival and offspring creation + protection and have been therefore evolutionarily selected as attractive. People who find these traits attractive are more likely to successfully pass on their genes, which ensure their children find these traits attractive as well and therefore this trend is perpetually enforced.

For the purpose of this text, however, i will define beauty as the lack of ugliness.
Now what is ugliness?
As is apparent from what i said above, ugliness is a lack of health and dimorphism. The question i want to explore is how is ugliness brought into existence?

A very common belief among looksmaxers is that ugliness is a genetically inherited trait. Let's examine this stance.


Ugliness is genetic.

This position implies that there are certain genes which express through the lack of health and dimorphism. Essentially a genotype that dooms an individual to be unhealthy and/or non-dimorphic and therefore ugly.

The obvious fault in this theory is that although they theoretically can exist, these genes have simply no reason to be present in any noticeable amount. If a mutation occurs which causes an individual to become unhealthy and non-dimorphic, and therefore evolutionarily unfit, the mutated gene will be swiftly bred out and replaced by genes which are more fit for the environment. The truth is that if a certain gene is beneficial for survival and procreation it will spread itself and eventually be present in the whole population. If a gene is detrimental to survival and procreation it will not be able to spread itself successfully and will die out.

This proves unmistakeably that any trait which is considered unattractive cannot be, by nature, hereditary on a large scale. (this does not include purely genetic diseases like hyperdactyly, which, predictably, only affect a miniscule portion of the population)

Ugliness is not genetic.


Ugliness is epigenetic.


This is the opposing side. Somewhat less common on .org and practically unknown to the general population.

First of all, what are epigenetics. Simply put - everything outside of genetics, in other words the environment in which an organism exists.

The epigenetic looks theory states that ugliness is a result of unnatural environmental conditions. These conditions influence the organism in ways it is not evolutionarily adapted to, which causes the organism do get distorted. Only in conditions for which the organism is designed by millions of years of evolution can it develop and retain ideal levels of health and dimorphism. When it is faced with unnatural factors where natural factors are expected, the processes in the organism will be offset.

Very good evidence for this stance can be provided by studying craniofacial proportions of humans in comparison to other animals.
Nowadays we take for granted that human faces are present in a wide range of shapes and sizes. This characteristic, however makes humans an extreme outlier in terms of the animal kingdom.

Let's compare a group of male wolves with of group of male humans.


View attachment 1966475
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You can clearly notice how strikingly similar the wolves' skulls are. The wolf is an organism precisely and deliberately designed by millions of year of natural selection and there is no biological reason for his skull to differ from individual to individual.

The humans on the other hand have all clearly very different craniofacial structure. Some have a higher gonial angle, some shorter midface, some have a bigger nose or a smaller mouth for example. Also notice how all of these humans are rather ugly.

It comes as obvious that humans, who were subject to same amount of natural selection as wolves for 99,9% of their history should all look as similar to each other as wolves do. And they would. That is, if it wasn't for epigenetics.

Humans no longer live in the conditions evolution prepared them for and this new environment has a catastrophic impact on their health and fertility. The organism essentially doesn't know how to properly develop and function in these new unprecedented conditions, which results in different kinds of biological malformations. The measure of environmental artificiality is directly related to the measure of ugliness with a causal link. The measure of environmental artificiality is also directly related to the measure of physical diversity with a causal link.

Ugliness is indeed epigenetic.


The beautiful human.


If i return to my definition of beauty as a lack of ugliness, i can conclude that the people who experience the least artificial epigenetic impact will be the most beautiful and most similar looking.

This brings about an interesting realization. That being that there are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful. There is only one kind optimal development, health and fertility. Only one ideal of beauty. (per population - may slightly differ from race to race) Take teeth for example. Only one correct alignment but many types of malocclusion and dental disorders. It is the same with all other biological parameters.

The truth is all true Chads look the same and all true Stacies look the same. They share core features like 90° gonial angle, equal zygomatic and bigonial width, tongue-wide palate, perfectly straight teeth, perfectly hooded eyes, perfectly straight nose, forward grown mandible, good undereye support and so on.

So what does a "true Chad" look like?

An optimally developed human male will look something like this:

View attachment 1966446View attachment 1966447


An optimally developed human female will look something like this:

View attachment 1966467View attachment 1966472


Notice how the facial structures in both pairs are much more similar than what you normally see around. Very similar ratios and shapes.



I hope i brought some light into the nature of ugliness.

Dr. Bruh




+ bonus gigachad and gigastacy in colour

View attachment 1966481View attachment 1966483
Very interesting theory and pretty high IQ.

The issue is as always lack of proof. And what external factor could be so impactful that it changes you from a potential Chad to an incel? The unlikelyhood of this leads me to believe a different theory: Monogamy impurified Chad gene pools. Since fathers and brothers were able to choose a partner for their female relatives, they looked for men with money and status. Basically anything else than genes. This lead us to where we are today.
 
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It comes as obvious that humans, who were subject to same amount of natural selection as wolves for 99,9% of their history should all look as similar to each other as wolves do. And they would. That is, if it wasn't for epigenetics.
Nothing to do with epigenetics. When life was the toughest , only the toughest survive. Hunters gathers all looked very similar. With the advent of agriculture, the subhumans appeared through random muations , survived and reproduced. Over thousands of years human genetics deviated from the Hunter Gatherer elite to what we have today.

Again, this has nothing to do with epigenetics but random "ugly" mutations appearing and getting bred into the gene pool because of low reproductive pressure.
 
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Very interesting theory and pretty high IQ.

The issue is as always lack of proof. And what external factor could be so impactful that it changes you from a potential Chad to an incel? The unlikelyhood of this leads me to believe a different theory: Monogamy impurified Chad gene pools. Since fathers and brothers were able to choose a partner for their female relatives, they looked for men with money and status. Basically anything else than genes. This lead us to where we are today.
Mouthbreathing for example. Literally changes you from chad to LTN.


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Nothing to do with epigenetics. When life was the toughest , only the toughest survive. Hunters gathers all looked very similar. With the advent of agriculture, the subhumans appeared through random muations , survived and reproduced. Over thousands of years human genetics deviated from the Hunter Gatherer elite to what we have today.

Again, this has nothing to do with epigenetics but random "ugly" mutations appearing and getting bred into the gene pool because of low reproductive pressure.
You're overestimating the magnitude of random mutations and mainly forgetting about sexual selection which was apparent even in the stone age (17 women on 1 man). Survival is just a part of it.
 
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This is the truth and I believe that the same mechanism is at place as with Pottenger's cats and that degeneration takes place over generations. It is proven that it took generations for humans to regain their height after the industrial revolution (farmers having access to high amounts of meats again) from their hunter gatherer form. Hunter gatherers have been the most healthy individuals as we know from bone findings. Also @Dr. Bruh stop whitepilling too many people..
 
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You're overestimating the magnitude of random mutations and mainly forgetting about sexual selection which was apparent even in the stone age (17 women on 1 man)
Wrong, that's not sexual selection but an indicator of lethal conflict during a short period of time. Incel myth.
 
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Wrong, that's not sexual selection but an indicator of lethal conflict during a short period of time. Incel myth.
Even if. Sexual selection is a force which cannot be neglected. And again, genetic muations in developed organisms are sparse and usually only result is minor changes. And don't forget that after the agricultural revolution sexual selection started to play a bigger role due to the advent of tribes and societies.
 
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"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful."

The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it.

What is beauty?
Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty is a measurement of health and dimorphism. These two factors ensure optimal survival and offspring creation + protection and have been therefore evolutionarily selected as attractive. People who find these traits attractive are more likely to successfully pass on their genes, which ensure their children find these traits attractive as well and therefore this trend is perpetually enforced.

For the purpose of this text, however, i will define beauty as the lack of ugliness.
Now what is ugliness?
As is apparent from what i said above, ugliness is a lack of health and dimorphism. The question i want to explore is how is ugliness brought into existence?

A very common belief among looksmaxers is that ugliness is a genetically inherited trait. Let's examine this stance.


Ugliness is genetic.

This position implies that there are certain genes which express through the lack of health and dimorphism. Essentially a genotype that dooms an individual to be unhealthy and/or non-dimorphic and therefore ugly.

The obvious fault in this theory is that although they theoretically can exist, these genes have simply no reason to be present in any noticeable amount. If a mutation occurs which causes an individual to become unhealthy and non-dimorphic, and therefore evolutionarily unfit, the mutated gene will be swiftly bred out and replaced by genes which are more fit for the environment. The truth is that if a certain gene is beneficial for survival and procreation it will spread itself and eventually be present in the whole population. If a gene is detrimental to survival and procreation it will not be able to spread itself successfully and will die out.

This proves unmistakeably that any trait which is considered unattractive cannot be, by nature, hereditary on a large scale. (this does not include purely genetic diseases like hyperdactyly, which, predictably, only affect a miniscule portion of the population)

Ugliness is not genetic.


Ugliness is epigenetic.


This is the opposing side. Somewhat less common on .org and practically unknown to the general population.

First of all, what are epigenetics. Simply put - everything outside of genetics, in other words the environment in which an organism exists.

The epigenetic looks theory states that ugliness is a result of unnatural environmental conditions. These conditions influence the organism in ways it is not evolutionarily adapted to, which causes the organism do get distorted. Only in conditions for which the organism is designed by millions of years of evolution can it develop and retain ideal levels of health and dimorphism. When it is faced with unnatural factors where natural factors are expected, the processes in the organism will be offset.

Very good evidence for this stance can be provided by studying craniofacial proportions of humans in comparison to other animals.
Nowadays we take for granted that human faces are present in a wide range of shapes and sizes. This characteristic, however makes humans an extreme outlier in terms of the animal kingdom.

Let's compare a group of male wolves with of group of male humans.


View attachment 1966475
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You can clearly notice how strikingly similar the wolves' skulls are. The wolf is an organism precisely and deliberately designed by millions of year of natural selection and there is no biological reason for his skull to differ from individual to individual.

The humans on the other hand have all clearly very different craniofacial structure. Some have a higher gonial angle, some shorter midface, some have a bigger nose or a smaller mouth for example. Also notice how all of these humans are rather ugly.

It comes as obvious that humans, who were subject to same amount of natural selection as wolves for 99,9% of their history should all look as similar to each other as wolves do. And they would. That is, if it wasn't for epigenetics.

Humans no longer live in the conditions evolution prepared them for and this new environment has a catastrophic impact on their health and fertility. The organism essentially doesn't know how to properly develop and function in these new unprecedented conditions, which results in different kinds of biological malformations. The measure of environmental artificiality is directly related to the measure of ugliness with a causal link. The measure of environmental artificiality is also directly related to the measure of physical diversity with a causal link.

Ugliness is indeed epigenetic.


The beautiful human.


If i return to my definition of beauty as a lack of ugliness, i can conclude that the people who experience the least artificial epigenetic impact will be the most beautiful and most similar looking.

This brings about an interesting realization. That being that there are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful. There is only one kind optimal development, health and fertility. Only one ideal of beauty. (per population - may slightly differ from race to race) Take teeth for example. Only one correct alignment but many types of malocclusion and dental disorders. It is the same with all other biological parameters.

The truth is all true Chads look the same and all true Stacies look the same. They share core features like 90° gonial angle, equal zygomatic and bigonial width, tongue-wide palate, perfectly straight teeth, perfectly hooded eyes, perfectly straight nose, forward grown mandible, good undereye support and so on.

So what does a "true Chad" look like?

An optimally developed human male will look something like this:

View attachment 1966446View attachment 1966447


An optimally developed human female will look something like this:

View attachment 1966467View attachment 1966472


Notice how the facial structures in both pairs are much more similar than what you normally see around. Very similar ratios and shapes.



I hope i brought some light into the nature of ugliness.

Dr. Bruh




+ bonus gigachad and gigastacy in colour

View attachment 1966481View attachment 1966483


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Pin/BOTB worthy imo.

People here really need to be naturepilled/jewpilled more.

If man never strayed away from nature, none of these issues would exist. But ofc that sadly isn’t the case.
 
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"There are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful."

The phenomenon of beauty is the core of the looksmaxxing doctrine, however most struggle to define and understand it.

What is beauty?
Beauty is an indicator of potential for evolutionary success. Simply put, beauty is a measurement of health and dimorphism. These two factors ensure optimal survival and offspring creation + protection and have been therefore evolutionarily selected as attractive. People who find these traits attractive are more likely to successfully pass on their genes, which ensure their children find these traits attractive as well and therefore this trend is perpetually enforced.

For the purpose of this text, however, i will define beauty as the lack of ugliness.
Now what is ugliness?
As is apparent from what i said above, ugliness is a lack of health and dimorphism. The question i want to explore is how is ugliness brought into existence?

A very common belief among looksmaxers is that ugliness is a genetically inherited trait. Let's examine this stance.


Ugliness is genetic.

This position implies that there are certain genes which express through the lack of health and dimorphism. Essentially a genotype that dooms an individual to be unhealthy and/or non-dimorphic and therefore ugly.

The obvious fault in this theory is that although they theoretically can exist, these genes have simply no reason to be present in any noticeable amount. If a mutation occurs which causes an individual to become unhealthy and non-dimorphic, and therefore evolutionarily unfit, the mutated gene will be swiftly bred out and replaced by genes which are more fit for the environment. The truth is that if a certain gene is beneficial for survival and procreation it will spread itself and eventually be present in the whole population. If a gene is detrimental to survival and procreation it will not be able to spread itself successfully and will die out.

This proves unmistakeably that any trait which is considered unattractive cannot be, by nature, hereditary on a large scale. (this does not include purely genetic diseases like hyperdactyly, which, predictably, only affect a miniscule portion of the population)

Ugliness is not genetic.


Ugliness is epigenetic.


This is the opposing side. Somewhat less common on .org and practically unknown to the general population.

First of all, what are epigenetics. Simply put - everything outside of genetics, in other words the environment in which an organism exists.

The epigenetic looks theory states that ugliness is a result of unnatural environmental conditions. These conditions influence the organism in ways it is not evolutionarily adapted to, which causes the organism do get distorted. Only in conditions for which the organism is designed by millions of years of evolution can it develop and retain ideal levels of health and dimorphism. When it is faced with unnatural factors where natural factors are expected, the processes in the organism will be offset.

Very good evidence for this stance can be provided by studying craniofacial proportions of humans in comparison to other animals.
Nowadays we take for granted that human faces are present in a wide range of shapes and sizes. This characteristic, however makes humans an extreme outlier in terms of the animal kingdom.

Let's compare a group of male wolves with of group of male humans.


View attachment 1966475
View attachment 1966351

You can clearly notice how strikingly similar the wolves' skulls are. The wolf is an organism precisely and deliberately designed by millions of year of natural selection and there is no biological reason for his skull to differ from individual to individual.

The humans on the other hand have all clearly very different craniofacial structure. Some have a higher gonial angle, some shorter midface, some have a bigger nose or a smaller mouth for example. Also notice how all of these humans are rather ugly.

It comes as obvious that humans, who were subject to same amount of natural selection as wolves for 99,9% of their history should all look as similar to each other as wolves do. And they would. That is, if it wasn't for epigenetics.

Humans no longer live in the conditions evolution prepared them for and this new environment has a catastrophic impact on their health and fertility. The organism essentially doesn't know how to properly develop and function in these new unprecedented conditions, which results in different kinds of biological malformations. The measure of environmental artificiality is directly related to the measure of ugliness with a causal link. The measure of environmental artificiality is also directly related to the measure of physical diversity with a causal link.

Ugliness is indeed epigenetic.


The beautiful human.


If i return to my definition of beauty as a lack of ugliness, i can conclude that the people who experience the least artificial epigenetic impact will be the most beautiful and most similar looking.

This brings about an interesting realization. That being that there are many ways a human can be ugly but only one way he can be beautiful. There is only one kind optimal development, health and fertility. Only one ideal of beauty. (per population - may slightly differ from race to race) Take teeth for example. Only one correct alignment but many types of malocclusion and dental disorders. It is the same with all other biological parameters.

The truth is all true Chads look the same and all true Stacies look the same. They share core features like 90° gonial angle, equal zygomatic and bigonial width, tongue-wide palate, perfectly straight teeth, perfectly hooded eyes, perfectly straight nose, forward grown mandible, good undereye support and so on.

So what does a "true Chad" look like?

An optimally developed human male will look something like this:

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An optimally developed human female will look something like this:

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Notice how the facial structures in both pairs are much more similar than what you normally see around. Very similar ratios and shapes.



I hope i brought some light into the nature of ugliness.

Dr. Bruh




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Different environments selected people with different features. In places where it's hard to breathe(mountains for example) you'll see lots of people with bigger/wider noses, bigger ribcages and lungs on the genetic level.
 
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So this is basically the same nature vs. nurture argument in psychology?
 
Wrong, that's not sexual selection but an indicator of lethal conflict during a short period of time. Incel myth.
Also, there is literally 0 evidence to support your cope genetic theory, while epigenetics have been proven to have a severe impact.

Like pottenger's cat, which @anticel brought up.

Or the mouthbreathing monkey experiments.

If random mutations were present, they would affect all tissues and organs equally, which cllearly isn't the case. No proof of genetic facial features outside of colouring and very vague soft tissue structure.
 
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Different environments selected people with different features. In places where it's hard to breathe(mountains for example) you'll see lots of people with bigger/wider noses, bigger ribcages and lungs on the genetic level.
Yes i mention that there may be different ideals of beauty based on the geological location.
 
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Yes i mention that there may be different ideals of beauty based on the geological location.
I completely agree with you that mouth breathing destoys facial structure, but the truth is majority of people are not mouth breathers
 
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This is the truth and I believe that the same mechanism is at place as with Pottenger's cats and that degeneration takes place over generations. It is proven that it took generations for humans to regain their height after the industrial revolution (farmers having access to high amounts of meats again) from their hunter gatherer form. Hunter gatherers have been the most healthy individuals as we know from bone findings. Also @Dr. Bruh stop whitepilling too many people..
Environmental factors are responsible for epigenetic changes, which in turn changes the genetic code. Epigenetic should be gate keeped from the normies. This is worse than any blackpill, looksmax thread, and so on. Dont pin this mods, let it die.
 
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My palate is very wide, I have insanely straight teeth(dentists called it "perfect bite", I have all wisdom teeth as well. Even dentist took picture of them once to show students ideal bite), at same time I am slightly recessed and my nose is rather large.

Why?

Because some parts are just genetic, I have an exact same facial profile as my father(his teeth are crooked), and very similar to my grandfather who also has an ideal bite.
Big'ish jaw with medium ramus and chin behind lips, with a big masculine nose(with slight hump) and brow ridge.

I completely agree with you that mouth breathing destoys facial structure, but the truth is majority of people are not mouth breathers
So, you are a Jew?
 
Environmental factors are responsible for epigenetic changes, which in turn changes the genetic code. Epigenetic should be gate keeped from the normies. This is worse than any blackpill, looksmax thread, and so on. Dont pin this mods, let it die.
It’s water on surface but when you go in-depth it’s crazy how important it is.
 
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My palate is very wide, I have insanely straight teeth(dentists called it "perfect bite", I have all wisdom teeth as well. Even dentist took picture of them once to show students ideal bite), at same time I am slightly recessed and my nose is rather large.

Why?

Because some parts are just genetic, I have an exact same facial profile as my father(his teeth are crooked), and very similar to my grandfather who also has an ideal bite.
Big'ish jaw with medium ramus and chin behind lips, with a big masculine nose(with slight hump) and brow ridge.

I completely agree with you that mouth breathing destoys facial structure, but the truth is majority of people are not mouth breathers

Some facial featues are genetic for sure but no universally ugly ones such as a humped nose. A big nose is not universally unattracive. And may be more attractive to certain ethnicities.

Recession however is universally unattractive and is a pathological phenomenon.
 
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No I am mix of chechen and some other north caucasian nation
Most Northern Caucasians I know dont have recessed Jaw, but slightly recessed upper Cheeks, and pronounced brow ridge and are hairy
 
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Some facial featues are genetic for sure but no universally ugly ones such as a humped nose. A big nose is not universally unattracive. And may be more attractive to certain ethnicities.

Recession however is universally unattractive and is a pathological phenomenon.
Yeah, Azn foids complimented my bump. „Oh so big and long“
They meant my nose.
 
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Most Northern Caucasians I know dont have recessed Jaw, but slightly recessed upper Cheeks, and pronounced brow ridge and are hairy
Lots of northen caucasians have big noses(there is lots of jokes about it in russia), very recessed jaws are rare, but slight recession is not that rare.

Yeah, most of us hairy, not all caucasus nations have big browridges, chechens and ingushs do have them tho.
 
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Mouthbreathing for example. Literally changes you from chad to LTN.


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And what would cause this mass epidemic in mouth breathers? Did we just suddenly start to forget how to properly breathe over the last few thousand years?
You only mouth breathe from childhood if your airways are too narrow. I believe the cause of this is a crooked jaw. This trait must be genetic AND epigenetic, leading back to the "soft food causes bad teeth"-theory. You can't fix a child's jaw development in 2022 from chewing hard food alone, because it's also inherited.

So in conclusion, the epigenetic result you showed above turned into a genetic one, because almost all males got bad teeth when grains were introduced into their diet. This is why women had lower quality men to choose from. Monogamy must have made the situation worse, leading to a largely impurified gene pool.
 
Good thread.
 
Somewhat true but also largely bullshit
 
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And what would cause this mass epidemic in mouth breathers? Did we just suddenly start to forget how to properly breathe over the last few thousand years?
You only mouth breathe from childhood if your airways are too narrow. I believe the cause of this is a crooked jaw. This trait must be genetic AND epigenetic, leading back to the "soft food causes bad teeth"-theory. You can't fix a child's jaw development in 2022 from chewing hard food alone, because it's also inherited.

So in conclusion, the epigenetic result you showed above turned into a genetic one, because almost all males got bad teeth when grains were introduced into their diet. This is why women had lower quality men to choose from. Monogamy must have made the situation worse, leading to a largely impurified gene pool.
read weaston a price - nutrition and physical degeneration. it s really not that deep kekw
 
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this is the ideal holy shit
 
idk how true all this is.. attractive people often look different it is stupid to say that they all look the same 😭 take gisele bunchen and adriana lima.. they both have perfect dentofacial growth yet one objectively fogs the other and looks completely different. in general even if mouth breathing and environmental factors were 100% the cause of ugliness, why do i see so many people with good jaw development but still ugly from the front? there's so many things that don't make sense about that argument. and even when you talk about things that aren't related to face, like vertical proportions and height. are you going to tell me that the length of people's limbs are determined by their environment??
 
eading back to the "soft food causes bad teeth"-theory. You can't fix a child's jaw development in 2022 from chewing hard food alone, because it's also inherited.
An epigenetic trait doesn't suddenly become inherited you dumb fuck. And the soft food studies don't even suggest that. Also yes, a child will develop well in 2022 if he has good conditions. You see people with good natural teeth everyday.

So in conclusion, the epigenetic result you showed above turned into a genetic one, because almost all males got bad teeth when grains were introduced into their diet.
That again has nothing to do with genetis. Change of diet is an environmental factor.
This is why women had lower quality men to choose from. Monogamy must have made the situation worse, leading to a largely impurified gene pool.
Genes have nothing to do with it since you can't inherit an acquired trait. YOUR TEETH GETTING CROOKED DOESN'T JUST CHANGE YOUR GENOTYPE YOU UTTER RETARD. Do you also think you can inherit tatoos? :feelsuhh:
 
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Mouthbreathing for example. Literally changes you from chad to LTN.


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Poor monkey used in experiment.
 
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subhuman 0/10 mouthbreather
 
If you looked good as a child u were meant to be GL if u grew in the ideal environment. This is definitely the most brutal pill to swallow
 
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It's both actually... and the percentage in which genetics or epigenetics influence your looks depends on the degree of environmental manipulation influences your looks, especially at an early age.

If you do nothing, then it's probably mostly genetic.

If you eat properly, nose breathe, mew, and was given IGF-1 during puberty, and basically was looksmaxed to the core at an early age, you'll be a HTN at bare fucking least.

Alternatively, if you mouth breathe, was fed soy and high carbs everyday, obese at an early age and persisted throughout adulthood, stressed constantly, etc. You'll be lucky to be a MTN.
So, good oral posture without tongue tie and enganging the posterior-third of the tongue to be able to hold and raise the maxilla, along with good body posture, good nutrition and not being malnourished together with a good hormonal profile can determine the development of someone who is going through puberty?

I'm 15-years-old and I'm going to have an appointment with my ortho next week to get some X-rays to see if my cross-bite is skeletal or dental origin and then do something about it, though I'm mainly going to see if he'll approve of having my tongue tie removed, so I can mew.
 
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So, good oral posture without tongue tie and enganging the posterior-third of the tongue to be able to hold and raise the maxilla, along with good body posture, good nutrition and not being malnourished together with a good hormonal profile can determine the development of someone who is going through puberty?
Yes. But teeth are much more important than tongue. Mewng is cope, the tongue force is miniscule.
 
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