ESR is the most overrated ratio

[Futura]

The Eye Separation Ratio is popular in this forum to check if someone has close or wide set eyes, but it is incredibly bad for this purpose.

I have already made another thread explaining why MFR (Midface Ratio) is more important but i'm going to go even further here
https://looksmax.org/threads/why-esr-is-overrated-and-why-mfr-is-more-important.1153894/

The most important thing when considering eye spacing is by far your actual IPD. The ideal range for adult males is 64-67mm, wider ipd can look aesthetic but lower usually can't.

If your ipd is in this range you will need to have an extremely average bizygomatic width to have an "ideal" ratio of 0.46

But this ratio isn't ideal at all because having a bigger skull with a lower ratio is FAR better.

The reason you don't see many models with this, aka large skulls is because you cannot tell skull size in pictures and videos (unless extreme). But if you've ever seen someone with a huge chad skull in real life you will know how important that is. (Models usually have tall but narrow skulls, ex. Chico)

0.46 is often regarded as ideal because it's extremely average. Very few people actually have large wide and tall skulls.

Models who have lower esr's are for example drago and barret

A real life example i can provide is my mom's boyfriend (JFL) who has an absolutely MASSIVE skull, his bizygo is probably around 155mm. Words cannot explain how big of a halo it is, he is balding, has gray hair and has a shitty eye area yet mogs 99% of people. His ipd is 66mm yet he has an es ratio of around 0.42, it doesn't look bad at all since his midface is normal. My cat legit obeys him 10x more than my other family members who knows why

Obviously extreme cases like are bad (charlie kirk)

 

[piec]

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[Futura]

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[Bitchwhipper2]

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[kylemb38]

The Eye Separation Ratio is popular in this forum to check if someone has close or wide set eyes, but it is incredibly bad for this purpose.

I have already made another thread explaining why MFR (Midface Ratio) is more important but i'm going to go even further here
https://looksmax.org/threads/why-esr-is-overrated-and-why-mfr-is-more-important.1153894/

The most important thing when considering eye spacing is by far your actual IPD. The ideal range for adult males is 64-67mm, wider ipd can look aesthetic but lower usually can't.

If your ipd is in this range you will need to have an extremely average bizygomatic width to have an "ideal" ratio of 0.46

But this ratio isn't ideal at all because having a bigger skull with a lower ratio is FAR better.

The reason you don't see many models with this, aka large skulls is because you cannot tell skull size in pictures and videos (unless extreme). But if you've ever seen someone with a huge chad skull in real life you will know how important that is. (Models usually have tall but narrow skulls, ex. Chico)

0.46 is often regarded as ideal because it's extremely average. Very few people actually have large wide and tall skulls.

Models who have lower esr's are for example drago and barret

A real life example i can provide is my mom's boyfriend (JFL) who has an absolutely MASSIVE skull, his bizygo is probably around 155mm. Words cannot explain how big of a halo it is, he is balding, has gray hair and has a shitty eye area yet mogs 99% of people. His ipd is 66mm yet he has an es ratio of around 0.42, it doesn't look bad at all since his midface is normal. My cat legit obeys him 10x more than my other family members who knows why

Obviously extreme cases like are bad (charlie kirk)

Could you check out my recent post and tell me if it’s a calico or halo

 

[Whatever]

Didn’t read but I agree with the title, and also like a lot of eye area and midface stuff this is the exact kind of thing that is 1. way more important on girls than guys, and 2. way less noticeable in real life, so it gets way overrated by a bunch of guys looking at pictures.

 

[danilioqqq]

A real life example i can provide is my mom's boyfriend (JFL) who has an absolutely MASSIVE skull, his bizygo is probably around 155mm. Words cannot explain how big of a halo it is, he is balding, has gray hair and has a shitty eye area yet mogs 99% of people. His ipd is 66mm yet he has an es ratio of around 0.42, it doesn't look bad at all since his midface is normal. My cat legit obeys him 10x more than my other family members who knows why

HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL OF THIS

 

[iblamemygenes]

The Eye Separation Ratio is popular in this forum to check if someone has close or wide set eyes, but it is incredibly bad for this purpose.

I have already made another thread explaining why MFR (Midface Ratio) is more important but i'm going to go even further here
https://looksmax.org/threads/why-esr-is-overrated-and-why-mfr-is-more-important.1153894/

The most important thing when considering eye spacing is by far your actual IPD. The ideal range for adult males is 64-67mm, wider ipd can look aesthetic but lower usually can't.

If your ipd is in this range you will need to have an extremely average bizygomatic width to have an "ideal" ratio of 0.46

But this ratio isn't ideal at all because having a bigger skull with a lower ratio is FAR better.

The reason you don't see many models with this, aka large skulls is because you cannot tell skull size in pictures and videos (unless extreme). But if you've ever seen someone with a huge chad skull in real life you will know how important that is. (Models usually have tall but narrow skulls, ex. Chico)

0.46 is often regarded as ideal because it's extremely average. Very few people actually have large wide and tall skulls.

Models who have lower esr's are for example drago and barret

A real life example i can provide is my mom's boyfriend (JFL) who has an absolutely MASSIVE skull, his bizygo is probably around 155mm. Words cannot explain how big of a halo it is, he is balding, has gray hair and has a shitty eye area yet mogs 99% of people. His ipd is 66mm yet he has an es ratio of around 0.42, it doesn't look bad at all since his midface is normal. My cat legit obeys him 10x more than my other family members who knows why

Obviously extreme cases like are bad (charlie kirk)

I have this except my midface is long asf, ruining everything. My esr is .425 fwhr 1.85 and mfr 0.88, big ass skull with close set eyes is fucked. 148-150 mm bizygo 72 mm pupil to lip and 63-64 mm ipd. Idek if obo can fix this bc my icd is already almost 1-1 like right off. What should I do

 

[thecel]

But this ratio isn't ideal at all because having a bigger skull with a lower ratio is FAR better.

Nope dude that just makes your head look more bloatmaxxed.

 

[Futura]

Nope dude that just makes your head look more bloatmaxxed.

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Yeah i changed my mind from this thread, but it doesn't look bad if your whole skull (frontal bone jaw etc is robust and wide, if only ur zygos are that wide u look like that

 

[Akatlyn]

Having a bigger skull is not really ideal, no matter your ESR or IPD. Normal/slighty smaller skull look way better and can do more haircuts.

You said a lower than 64 mm IPD almost necessary looks bad while a higher than 68 can can look good. Having 62 mm is far better than 72 mm imo.

I know a girl on Instagram. Almost everybody makes fun of her because of how wide set her eyes are : like a dolphin (she has something like 72 mm).
Tom Cruise has something like 61 mm and absolutely nobody made fun of him because he has too close set eyes. Even Ghosling and his cyclop IPD didn't get that hate since only the Looksmaxing community blames him for that. YOU DON'T WANT NOTICEABLY WIDE SET EYES.

 

[Futura]

Having a bigger skull is not really ideal, no matter your ESR or IPD. Normal/slighty smaller skull look way better and can do more haircuts.

You said a lower than 64 mm IPD almost necessary looks bad while a higher than 68 can can look good. Having 62 mm is far better than 72 mm imo.

I know a girl on Instagram. Almost everybody makes fun of her because of how wide set her eyes are : like a dolphin (she has something like 72 mm).
Tom Cruise has something like 61 mm and absolutely nobody made fun of him because he has too close set eyes. Even Ghosling and his cyclop IPD didn't get that hate since only the Looksmaxing community blames him for that. YOU DON'T WANT NOTICEABLY WIDE SET EYES.

Yeah i changed my mind, 63-67 is still ideal tho
Big skull looks more masc and makes you age better, but you need a good frame and big hands
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[Foreverbrad]

You need a huge chad bideltoid if you want to have a huge chad skull.

Most TikTok chads have super wide set eyes.