Ethical dilemma of introducing a 10+ year friend to BP

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I stumbled across org around 2 years ago at 17, the site seemed somewhat sketchy and let’s be honest it is in some ways. To an outsider with no information on BP this site would seem depraved, dangerous and even delusional. At 17 i consumed fragments of this entire enlightenment and kept it hidden, I was still curious and I wish I had embraced and absorbed all of the information I could at that time, as I’m nearing the closure of my epiphyseal plates but I am currently 5’10 at 19 years old (had x rays of my growth plates and bone age estimate by licensed ortho physician) and I’m doing everything In my power to optimize hormones, trigger biological responses, and force my body to develop in the most advantageous way possible, even with unnatural intervention. But at my height there is still hope for me, and I’ve never been complimented on my height, but I’ve also never been made fun of because of it, it’s a purgatory of a height but I’m grateful I’m not considered “short” by foids.

The issue:
As I said I’m currently 19 years old, and my best friend of 10+ years is 20 (he’s almost a year older exactly) is 5’6, he has a lazy eye which he was born with as he is a twin. Him being a twin allowed for many genetic malformations such as his teeth being severely crooked at birth, his one lazy eye which he has no vision or control over whatsoever, and for lack of a better term, very unfortunate bone structure. I’ll call him Drew to keep his anonymity. Drew has been 5’6 since he was 17, he will not grow any taller, his clavicles are very narrow, his teeth are fixed now via braces and numerous “professional whitening treatments” all of which he worked his ass off to pay for on his own when he was just 16. He used to have a chubby gut and very skinny arms, he now has a decently visible six pack, toned arms, good delts, but for the life of me I can’t convince this motherfucker to hit legs with me lmao
Drew is a very good friend of mine and I try my best to Overlook his physical appearance, after all why the fuck would I care if he’s been there since essentially day one and was right beside me through really fucked up shit? Anyway, Drew recently started noticing that I won’t go out to eat GoySlop with him anymore, all i want to do is sit in my room and study, at least that’s just what I tell him. We used to go to clubs together, talk to foids, get drunk, stupid self destructive shit NT people do. Just last night I was sitting on a dock with him by this clubhouse and he asked “what’s going on with you bro you don’t wanna do anything anymore” and for a brief second I stayed silent, I hesitated. At first I was excited to show him all the things I’ve learned which have helped me so much and others are already noticing my appearance improving, and complimenting me, but then I didn’t say anything. I just replied with “nothing I’m just focusing on school now” or some bullshit to avoid the issue.

My dilemma, is that if I introduce Drew to the community and way of life that I’ve completely submerged myself in, he might never be the same, and it wouldn’t even reap enough benefits to outweigh the life he’s made for himself so far. He’s stuck at 5’6, there’s no changing that and he has a respectable career in line for himself but not one where he can afford double jaw surgery, an experimental eye repositioning surgery that costs $10,000 and isnt even proven to work, which may cause him to go blind completely, especially the horribly taxing limb lengthening surgery, anywhere from $70k-$200k. Drew is easily influenced, and I know that if I introduce him to this community, and teach him the things I know to be true, he will not be optimistic about his chances of a high quality life. He has already mentioned being treated differently for his teeth when he was younger, foids mocking his height and even his eye. He is already upset with his situation regarding the way he looks, and his genetic limitations. He does have a gf and she seems okay, good for him at least and he genuinely loves her, and she’s one of very few who actually gave him attention and wanted to be with him for who he is. I don’t want to introduce him to BP, and I almost certainly won’t. I feel as if I would ruin his entire life, and make him more resentful if I even told him what changed in my lifestyle and made me pursue looks, more than being a gymcel coper.

Am I an asshole? Gatekeeper? Should I show him what I know, or let him live ignorantly in bliss?
 
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I stumbled across org around 2 years ago at 17, the site seemed somewhat sketchy and let’s be honest it is in some ways. To an outsider with no information on BP this site would seem depraved, dangerous and even delusional. At 17 i consumed fragments of this entire enlightenment and kept it hidden, I was still curious and I wish I had embraced and absorbed all of the information I could at that time, as I’m nearing the closure of my epiphyseal plates but I am currently 5’10 at 19 years old (had x rays of my growth plates and bone age estimate by licensed ortho physician) and I’m doing everything In my power to optimize hormones, trigger biological responses, and force my body to develop in the most advantageous way possible, even with unnatural intervention. But at my height there is still hope for me, and I’ve never been complimented on my height, but I’ve also never been made fun of because of it, it’s a purgatory of a height but I’m grateful I’m not considered “short” by foids.

The issue:
As I said I’m currently 19 years old, and my best friend of 10+ years is 20 (he’s almost a year older exactly) is 5’6, he has a lazy eye which he was born with as he is a twin. Him being a twin allowed for many genetic malformations such as his teeth being severely crooked at birth, his one lazy eye which he has no vision or control over whatsoever, and for lack of a better term, very unfortunate bone structure. I’ll call him Drew to keep his anonymity. Drew has been 5’6 since he was 17, he will not grow any taller, his clavicles are very narrow, his teeth are fixed now via braces and numerous “professional whitening treatments” all of which he worked his ass off to pay for on his own when he was just 16. He used to have a chubby gut and very skinny arms, he now has a decently visible six pack, toned arms, good delts, but for the life of me I can’t convince this motherfucker to hit legs with me lmao
Drew is a very good friend of mine and I try my best to Overlook his physical appearance, after all why the fuck would I care if he’s been there since essentially day one and was right beside me through really fucked up shit? Anyway, Drew recently started noticing that I won’t go out to eat GoySlop with him anymore, all i want to do is sit in my room and study, at least that’s just what I tell him. We used to go to clubs together, talk to foids, get drunk, stupid self destructive shit NT people do. Just last night I was sitting on a dock with him by this clubhouse and he asked “what’s going on with you bro you don’t wanna do anything anymore” and for a brief second I stayed silent, I hesitated. At first I was excited to show him all the things I’ve learned which have helped me so much and others are already noticing my appearance improving, and complimenting me, but then I didn’t say anything. I just replied with “nothing I’m just focusing on school now” or some bullshit to avoid the issue.

My dilemma, is that if I introduce Drew to the community and way of life that I’ve completely submerged myself in, he might never be the same, and it wouldn’t even reap enough benefits to outweigh the life he’s made for himself so far. He’s stuck at 5’6, there’s no changing that and he has a respectable career in line for himself but not one where he can afford double jaw surgery, an experimental eye repositioning surgery that costs $10,000 and isnt even proven to work, which may cause him to go blind completely, especially the horribly taxing limb lengthening surgery, anywhere from $70k-$200k. Drew is easily influenced, and I know that if I introduce him to this community, and teach him the things I know to be true, he will not be optimistic about his chances of a high quality life. He has already mentioned being treated differently for his teeth when he was younger, foids mocking his height and even his eye. He is already upset with his situation regarding the way he looks, and his genetic limitations. He does have a gf and she seems okay, good for him at least and he genuinely loves her, and she’s one of very few who actually gave him attention and wanted to be with him for who he is. I don’t want to introduce him to BP, and I almost certainly won’t. I feel as if I would ruin his entire life, and make him more resentful if I even told him what changed in my lifestyle and made me pursue looks, more than being a gymcel coper.

Am I an asshole? Gatekeeper? Should I show him what I know, or let him live ignorantly in bliss?
Your not an asshole your hiding these things from your friend so he doesn’t become hella depressed your not gate keeping him your protecting him in a way as you said he already has a gf you also said you n him used to go parties n talk to foids so im guessing he’s NT introducing him to bp will only harm him since he’s already developed not much he can change
 
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Best thing to do would be to get him into money maxxing and investing while living a very frugal lifestyle. That way, when his girl finally does leave him for an upgrade, he may already have the finances in place to afford these surgeries. Which should be done in Turkey, not the US, bringing the overall bill down to $60-80k.

Blackpilling him now when he has no agency to change anything is pointless and destructive so you made the right call.
 
Dont introduce him. HIS NT IS THE ONLY THING THAT SAVES HIM.

NOTHING ON THIS SITE THST ISNT WATER WIL SAVE HIM MORE THAN NT

NTpill is the most brutal pill in the end. Even when I mog Drew, He still life mogs me

Just give him some easy improvements and thats it
 
Dont introduce him. HIS NT IS THE ONLY THING THAT SAVES HIM.

NOTHING ON THIS SITE THST ISNT WATER WIL SAVE HIM MORE THAN NT

NTpill is the most brutal pill in the end. Even when I mog Drew, He still life mogs me

Just give him some easy improvements and thats it
I got him into the gym, taught him the Snapchat method for meeting girls that’s how he found his gf, I taught him guitar too he’s way better than I am at that now lmao. He doesn’t mog me in any way, the only things comparable would be our careers but I pull like $10k more than him a year, and even the foids I just fuck and kick to the curb are hotter than his gf. Genuinely feel bad for the genetically unfortunate, not his fault and he’s probably a better person than me at heart but my quality of life is just insanely better even when he’s tried 10 times harder than me
 
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Dont introduce him. HIS NT IS THE ONLY THING THAT SAVES HIM.

NOTHING ON THIS SITE THST ISNT WATER WIL SAVE HIM MORE THAN NT

NTpill is the most brutal pill in the end. Even when I mog Drew, He still life mogs me

Just give him some easy improvements and thats it

Best thing to do would be to get him into money maxxing and investing while living a very frugal lifestyle. That way, when his girl finally does leave him for an upgrade, he may already have the finances in place to afford these surgeries. Which should be done in Turkey, not the US, bringing the overall bill down to $60-80k.

Blackpilling him now when he has no agency to change anything is pointless and destructive so you made the right call.
I wanna help him but I don’t wanna ruin him he’s got a good thing going, for now. His looks have always held him back but he’s made the most of his situation, I’ll leave him be but he’s still my nigga
 
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I stumbled across org around 2 years ago at 17, the site seemed somewhat sketchy and let’s be honest it is in some ways. To an outsider with no information on BP this site would seem depraved, dangerous and even delusional. At 17 i consumed fragments of this entire enlightenment and kept it hidden, I was still curious and I wish I had embraced and absorbed all of the information I could at that time, as I’m nearing the closure of my epiphyseal plates but I am currently 5’10 at 19 years old (had x rays of my growth plates and bone age estimate by licensed ortho physician) and I’m doing everything In my power to optimize hormones, trigger biological responses, and force my body to develop in the most advantageous way possible, even with unnatural intervention. But at my height there is still hope for me, and I’ve never been complimented on my height, but I’ve also never been made fun of because of it, it’s a purgatory of a height but I’m grateful I’m not considered “short” by foids.

The issue:
As I said I’m currently 19 years old, and my best friend of 10+ years is 20 (he’s almost a year older exactly) is 5’6, he has a lazy eye which he was born with as he is a twin. Him being a twin allowed for many genetic malformations such as his teeth being severely crooked at birth, his one lazy eye which he has no vision or control over whatsoever, and for lack of a better term, very unfortunate bone structure. I’ll call him Drew to keep his anonymity. Drew has been 5’6 since he was 17, he will not grow any taller, his clavicles are very narrow, his teeth are fixed now via braces and numerous “professional whitening treatments” all of which he worked his ass off to pay for on his own when he was just 16. He used to have a chubby gut and very skinny arms, he now has a decently visible six pack, toned arms, good delts, but for the life of me I can’t convince this motherfucker to hit legs with me lmao
Drew is a very good friend of mine and I try my best to Overlook his physical appearance, after all why the fuck would I care if he’s been there since essentially day one and was right beside me through really fucked up shit? Anyway, Drew recently started noticing that I won’t go out to eat GoySlop with him anymore, all i want to do is sit in my room and study, at least that’s just what I tell him. We used to go to clubs together, talk to foids, get drunk, stupid self destructive shit NT people do. Just last night I was sitting on a dock with him by this clubhouse and he asked “what’s going on with you bro you don’t wanna do anything anymore” and for a brief second I stayed silent, I hesitated. At first I was excited to show him all the things I’ve learned which have helped me so much and others are already noticing my appearance improving, and complimenting me, but then I didn’t say anything. I just replied with “nothing I’m just focusing on school now” or some bullshit to avoid the issue.

My dilemma, is that if I introduce Drew to the community and way of life that I’ve completely submerged myself in, he might never be the same, and it wouldn’t even reap enough benefits to outweigh the life he’s made for himself so far. He’s stuck at 5’6, there’s no changing that and he has a respectable career in line for himself but not one where he can afford double jaw surgery, an experimental eye repositioning surgery that costs $10,000 and isnt even proven to work, which may cause him to go blind completely, especially the horribly taxing limb lengthening surgery, anywhere from $70k-$200k. Drew is easily influenced, and I know that if I introduce him to this community, and teach him the things I know to be true, he will not be optimistic about his chances of a high quality life. He has already mentioned being treated differently for his teeth when he was younger, foids mocking his height and even his eye. He is already upset with his situation regarding the way he looks, and his genetic limitations. He does have a gf and she seems okay, good for him at least and he genuinely loves her, and she’s one of very few who actually gave him attention and wanted to be with him for who he is. I don’t want to introduce him to BP, and I almost certainly won’t. I feel as if I would ruin his entire life, and make him more resentful if I even told him what changed in my lifestyle and made me pursue looks, more than being a gymcel coper.

Am I an asshole? Gatekeeper? Should I show him what I know, or let him live ignorantly in bliss?
dnr be high t and tell him
 
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Just tell him. It will save him trust me
 
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I got him into the gym, taught him the Snapchat method for meeting girls that’s how he found his gf, I taught him guitar too he’s way better than I am at that now lmao. He doesn’t mog me in any way, the only things comparable would be our careers but I pull like $10k more than him a year, and even the foids I just fuck and kick to the curb are hotter than his gf. Genuinely feel bad for the genetically unfortunate, not his fault and he’s probably a better person than me at heart but my quality of life is just insanely better even when he’s tried 10 times harder than me
essence of the blackpill, You should empathise with the geneticlly misfortunate.

Also, what snapchat method
 
essence of the blackpill, You should empathise with the geneticlly misfortunate.

Also, what snapchat method
Adding foids on sc until you find a baddie with (in his case a low body count) but for me I prefer virgin blonde, who lives near by and eventually meeting her. Got my first 5 bodies that way I swear by it but you gotta pretend you only see her as a friend to gain the important info like body count, then lean into the idea of meeting for a coffee or some bs. Meta is using your story to communicate with multiple foids at the same time, post pics with you and a drink, and another drink by it so they think you’re with someone but they don’t know who. Another good way is to forge text messages with “another girl” but it’s just a convo with urself, make that imaginary girl seem desperate and then take a screen shot and put it on your story complaining about it. They will almost always respond to this and it’s not a fuck boy looking way of doing this, it just fabricates that you get attention from girls, so much you get annoyed and you don’t feel comfortable with it. Like a bimbo complaining about guys staring at her ass, but my way is the male version and more subtle. Post heavy frauded pics on your story too, that shit gets them every time, angles, mirrors, lighting, but make it look low effort
 
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Adding foids on sc until you find a baddie with (in his case a low body count) but for me I prefer virgin blonde, who lives near by and eventually meeting her. Got my first 5 bodies that way I swear by it but you gotta pretend you only see her as a friend to gain the important info like body count, then lean into the idea of meeting for a coffee or some bs. Meta is using your story to communicate with multiple foids at the same time, post pics with you and a drink, and another drink by it so they think you’re with someone but they don’t know who. Another good way is to forge text messages with “another girl” but it’s just a convo with urself, make that imaginary girl seem desperate and then take a screen shot and put it on your story complaining about it. They will almost always respond to this and it’s not a fuck boy looking way of doing this, it just fabricates that you get attention from girls, so much you get annoyed and you don’t feel comfortable with it. Like a bimbo complaining about guys staring at her ass, but my way is the male version and more subtle. Post heavy frauded pics on your story too, that shit gets them every time, angles, mirrors, lighting, but make it look low effort
only if I had this in highschool. Might do this shit for uni icl. I dont even have snap so That will be a problem. High Iq method. Pm for some help ascending:Comfy:
 
Depends on what kind of guy he is is he someone that would take the knowledge he needs and apply it or just become self hating

What surgeries would he need to fix his face ? A combination of lower risk ones or does he need a skull transplant
 
Depends on what kind of guy he is is he someone that would take the knowledge he needs and apply it or just become self hating

What surgeries would he need to fix his face ? A combination of lower risk ones or does he need a skull transplant
My boy would need double jaw surgery, teeth filing to make them look normal, they’re straight from braces but they look uncanny it’s obvious he was never meant to have perfect teeth, he would need rhinoplasty, zygomatic implants, and the mentioned experimental and purely esthetic eye repositioning. He would also need orbital implants his canthal tilt is unfortunate and his eyebrows are nonexistent, dying them wouldn’t help he needs a transplant. his jawline is weak even tho he’s leaner than me so he would need chin implants and jaw implants as well. And a hair transplant that shit is pushed back so far.
 
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only if I had this in highschool. Might do this shit for uni icl. I dont even have snap so That will be a problem. High Iq method. Pm for some help ascending:Comfy:
U need a snap score of 10k plus for foids to accept that you’re account is real, get on it now and add every friend you can, snap them all like 50 times a day until you get a higher score
 
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