Europeans have the most sexually dimorphic faces, Africans the least (I.e. BBCs are more feminine).

[incelmogger]

“People of European origin and South Americans showed a higher level of sexual dimorphism in facial shape compared to people of African origin."

"All European countries revealed larger differences between male and female average faces than in all the other populations."

"The possible explanation of lower sexual dimorphism in Africa may be either relaxed selection pressure favoring morphological femininity of female faces or masculinity of male faces, alternatively due to positive selection for more feminine faces in males, or the masculinization of faces in females."

How and why patterns of sexual dimorphism in human faces vary across the world (2021)

Also JFL at the fact that White and Black men have the same level of testoreone but blacks have a higher level of estrogen :

“Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels.”

Serum Estrogen, But Not Testosterone, Levels Differ between Black and White Men in a Nationally Representative Sample of Americans

Abstract. Context: Higher testosterone in black compared with white men has been postulated to explain their higher prostate cancer incidence. Previous stu

academic.oup.com

 

[longjohnmong]

there's no way SEA is not the least. i don't trust any study that says otherwise

 

[incelmogger]

there's no way SEA is not the least. i don't trust any study that says otherwise

Black women are more masculine looking than sea women nigga

 

[Deleted member 23558]

why do all incels fascinated with these kinds studies ?

 

[longjohnmong]

Black women are more masculine looking than sea women nigga

Not their bodies. And while black women's faces can seem masculine, they never actually look like men, whereas there are many SEA women who look like they could be SEA men, especially with their little mustachios and complete lack of curves.

 

[finn899]

Not their bodies. And while black women's faces can seem masculine, they never actually look like men, whereas there are many SEA women who look like they could be SEA men, especially with their little mustachios and complete lack of curves.

'never look like men' nigga this is literally the top famous celebrity black women,half of them have a fucking wig on and they still look like men,imagine the averages ones,nearly all black women with short hair look like men

 

[longjohnmong]

View attachment 2552067 'never look like men' nigga this is literally the top famous celebrity black women,half of them have a fucking wig on and they still look like men,imagine the averages ones,nearly all black women with short hair look like men

Aside from bottom middle, none of them actually look like men, maybe they "look like men" but they don't look like men. SEA women actually look like SEA men, like it takes an in-depth investigation just to make sure you're talking to a woman.

 

[Deleted member 32285]

If I were a white nationalist I would honestly be propponent of an idea to castrate all negro boys before puberty, put them on hrt and assign them to white men of culture as a loyal loving boywifes. But alas Im a Jew so I hate this idea, in fact I support an exact opposite of this.

 

[incelmogger]

SEA women actually look like SEA men,

sometimes yeah but more common with Africans.

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

View attachment 2552067 'never look like men' nigga this is literally the top famous celebrity black women,half of them have a fucking wig on and they still look like men,imagine the averages ones,nearly all black women with short hair look like men

Because they ARE MEN. This is what you guys don't get. They literally are men.

 

[incelmogger]

b

 

[st.hamudi but 6‘5]

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“People of European origin and South Americans showed a higher level of sexual dimorphism in facial shape compared to people of African origin."

"All European countries revealed larger differences between male and female average faces than in all the other populations."

"The possible explanation of lower sexual dimorphism in Africa may be either relaxed selection pressure favoring morphological femininity of female faces or masculinity of male faces, alternatively due to positive selection for more feminine faces in males, or the masculinization of faces in females."

How and why patterns of sexual dimorphism in human faces vary across the world (2021)

Also JFL at the fact that White and Black men have the same level of testoreone but blacks have a higher level of estrogen :

“Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels.”

Serum Estrogen, But Not Testosterone, Levels Differ between Black and White Men in a Nationally Representative Sample of Americans

Abstract. Context: Higher testosterone in black compared with white men has been postulated to explain their higher prostate cancer incidence. Previous stu

academic.oup.com

dnr dark triad menas/meds mog nigga slaves and cumskin masters to the testosterone clinic

 

[Kamui]

AI Impact type beat

 

[SA7]

 

[incelmogger]

AI Impact type beat

Don’t associate me with manlets, thx

 

[Kamui]

Don’t associate me with manlets, thx

 

[sportsmogger]

AI Impact type beat

AI Impact disciples

 

[incelconspiracy]

My nigger

 

[Deleted member 45118]

i wish they'd done this with more countries, need to see the stats for asians, nordics
i guess romanians have the most masc men and fem women @exo

 

[reptiles]

there's no way SEA is not the least. i don't trust any study that says otherwise

The authors' conclusions about relaxed selection for sexual dimorphism in African populations are challenged by Weston et al. (2007), who found that masculinity preferences were actually stronger in Jamaica than in the UK. This casts doubt on the assumption that traditional populations exhibit reduced dimorphism due to weakened sexual selection.

As noted by Özener (2010), facial morphology is influenced by a multitude of genetic and environmental factors beyond sexual selection, including climate adaptation, random genetic drift, mutation load, and caloric resources. The study failed to control for these key factors that differ across regions.

The reliance on 2D photographs is a major limitation, as emphasized by Claes et al. (2018) in their recent 3D morphometric study. Unlike 2D images, 3D scans capture soft tissue depth and asymmetry, enabling more valid quantification of true anatomical dimorphism.

The study's small sample sizes, particularly for the African populations, constrain the ability to make broad generalizations, a point emphasized by Kleisner et al. (2014) in their critique of Marcinkowska et al. (2018). Larger sample sizes, especially from understudied traditional societies, are needed.

As noted in the critique by Stephen et al. (2009), attractiveness studies frequently suffer from weak effect sizes and lack of ecological validity when considering only shape outside of natural social contexts. The weak links found between dimorphism and attractiveness cast doubt on assumptions about signaling theories.

Scott et al. (2014) tested the harsh environment hypothesis directly and found no evidence for increased masculinity preferences in populations facing adverse conditions. This challenges the logic underlying many evolutionary arguments about environmental pressures driving sexual selection for dimorphism.

In sum, this study provides preliminary evidence of cross-cultural variation in facial dimorphism, but relies on assumptions about sexual selection that are not empirically supported. A more sophisticated research program incorporating 3D morphometrics, genetic analyses, and large samples from diverse populations will be needed to elucidate the complex and multifactorial drivers of human facial diversity. The evolutionary significance of dimorphism remains conjectural absent direct evidence about mating behavior and fitness outcomes in contemporary societies.>>

 

[reptiles]

AI Impact type beat

I wrote a very complex counter argument to this shit

 

[reptiles]

i wish they'd done this with more countries, need to see the stats for asians, nordics
i guess romanians have the most masc men and fem women @exo

They used 2d studies with low sample sizes Africa is also a diverse place they never did an in-depth study on which African population groups used.


In terms of a critique of the maths in the study

Equation used:

sexscore(A⃗ )=A⃗ ⋅(MM−FM)→

Where A is the individual facial configuration, MM is the male mean facial configuration, and FM is the female mean facial configuration.

Critique:

As Claes et al. (2018) emphasized, the use of 2D photographs to derive the male and female mean configurations is problematic, lacking 3D shape information that is needed to accurately characterize sexual dimorphism. The means calculated from small sample sizes may also not well represent the true population averages.

Equation used:

cos(α)=v1→⋅v2→∥∥v1→∥∥∥∥v2→∥∥

Where α is the angle between the vectors v1 and v2. v1 is the overall sexual dimorphism vector and v2 is the allometric component of dimorphism.

Critique:

As Mitteroecker et al. (2013) noted, allometry calculated from total craniofacial size conflates size-related shape changes due to sexual dimorphism and general scaling effects. Therefore, v2 may not accurately capture allometric variation due to sexual selection specifically.

Equation used:

sexscore(A)=b1*(height) + b0

Where b1 is the regression coefficient for height predicting facial shape, used to calculate allometric SShD.

Critique:

As Özener (2010) emphasized, facial shape is influenced by many factors beyond size and sexual dimorphism. By solely regressing face shape on height, this equation fails to isolate allometric variation due to sexual selection specifically.

In summary, the critiques highlight limitations in how sexual dimorphism and its allometric components were quantified from 2D photographs and simplified regression models. More sophisticated morphometric and statistical analyses are needed to accurately characterize dimorphism

 

[incelmogger]

@Ai Impact

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels.”

Cherry picking here is a meta analysis done on 5000 different studies

Racial variation in sex steroid hormone concentration in black and white men: a meta-analysis

Sex steroid hormones are associated with chronic diseases and mortality with risk associations that differ between racial and ethnic groups. However, it is currently unclear whether sex steroid hormone levels differ between black and white men. The aim ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Blacks do indeed have higher T

or the masculinization of faces in females.

As for the others you not read this part of the quote.

It just means the gap between black men and women is smaller not that blacks are less masculine.

Just taking a look at skulls and faces it should be clear

Plus even whites rate black faces as being more masculine looking jfl
Masculinity is a cope anyways tho

 

[Veganist]

hello

white power

 

[Itsmelurking505]

Cherry picking here is a meta analysis done on 5000 different studies

Racial variation in sex steroid hormone concentration in black and white men: a meta-analysis

Sex steroid hormones are associated with chronic diseases and mortality with risk associations that differ between racial and ethnic groups. However, it is currently unclear whether sex steroid hormone levels differ between black and white men. The aim ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Blacks do indeed have higher T



As for the others you not read this part of the quote.

It just means the gap between black men and women is smaller not that blacks are less masculine.

Just taking a look at skulls and faces it should be clear
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Plus even whites rate black faces as being more masculine looking jfl
Masculinity is a cope anyways tho

Shut up you niggers arent masculine

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Cherry picking here is a meta analysis done on 5000 different studies

Racial variation in sex steroid hormone concentration in black and white men: a meta-analysis

Sex steroid hormones are associated with chronic diseases and mortality with risk associations that differ between racial and ethnic groups. However, it is currently unclear whether sex steroid hormone levels differ between black and white men. The aim ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Blacks do indeed have higher T



As for the others you not read this part of the quote.

It just means the gap between black men and women is smaller not that blacks are less masculine.

Just taking a look at skulls and faces it should be clear
View attachment 2575981View attachment 2575983
View attachment 2575987

Plus even whites rate black faces as being more masculine looking jfl
Masculinity is a cope anyways tho

How are the black faces more masculine? You know that flat eyebrows are linked to higher prenatal T and arching eyebrows are linked to lower prenatal T, yes? Whites also have the largest chins of all races. I'm not necessarily saying the white ones look more masculine, but they each have different features related to masculinity.

 

[Deleted member 45118]

As for the others you not read this part of the quote.

It just means the gap between black men and women is smaller not that blacks are less masculine.

Just taking a look at skulls and faces it should be clear

Plus even whites rate black faces as being more masculine looking jfl
Masculinity is a cope anyways tho

All incorrect.

It would seem you cant read the chart OP posted which demonstartes his points (white males being more dimorphic than black males)

Taking a look at black skulls:
No brow rifge
No chin
No jawline
Rounded forehead
Proganthism
All feminine traits + having big dick sucking lips

On the pictures you posted the white faces look more masculine and dimorphic

 

[Deleted member 33136]

Women like feminine features

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Proganthism

prognathism isnt feminine it makes you look like a chimp theres a reason why hominids are less prognathic the younger they are.

No chin

blacks dont have weak chins its hidden by prognathism

No jawline

whites having defined jaws is a meme
even african women are more robust than white men

It would seem you cant read the chart OP posted which demonstartes his points (white males being more dimorphic than black males)

read the quote from the study

"feminine faces in males, or the masculinization of faces in females."

blacks being less dimorphic doesnt mean more feminine it either implies more masculine looking females or more feminine looking males the researches literally say this in the study jfl.

Taking a look at black skulls:

blacks also have the most square eye orbits, higher set sharper cheek bones, more forward growth, lower gonial angles, thicker ramuses, longer jaws, longer ramuses, wider faces etc. Every race has feminine characteristics you listing off random features doesnt mean shit.

All incorrect.

yeah bro a meta analysis published in one of the best journals taking into account 5000 studies is incorrect because rando on .org said so.

On the pictures you posted the white faces look more masculine and dimorphic

youre delusional if you think the face on the left looks more masculine jfl

maybe I have to point it out
european cranial base is on the left african cranial base is on the right

european
-more circular eye orbits
-narrow palate
-narrow alar base
-less forward growth
-smaller teeth
-less prominent cheek bones
-less sharp cheek bones
-lower set cheekbones

How are the black faces more masculine

which face looks more masculine? and be honest. Bro this isnt even debatable even whites think black faces are more masculine(statistically)

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[wishIwasSalludon]

Shut up you niggers arent masculine

dnrd

 

[Itsmelurking505]

dnrd

Dnrd

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Dnrd

 

[Deleted member 23391]

All incorrect.

It would seem you cant read the chart OP posted which demonstartes his points (white males being more dimorphic than black males)

Taking a look at black skulls:
No brow rifge
No chin
No jawline
Rounded forehead
Proganthism
All feminine traits + having big dick sucking lips

On the pictures you posted the white faces look more masculine and dimorphic

prognathism isnt feminine it makes you look like a chimp theres a reason why hominids are less prognathic the younger they are.


blacks dont have weak chins its hidden by prognathism
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whites having defined jaws is a meme
even african women are more robust than white men

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read the quote from the study

blacks being less dimorphic doesnt mean more feminine it either implies more masculine looking females or more feminine looking males the researches literally say this in the study jfl.


blacks also have the most square eye orbits, higher set sharper cheek bones, more forward growth, lower gonial angles, thicker ramuses, longer jaws, longer ramuses, wider faces etc. Every race has feminine characteristics you listing off random features doesnt mean shit.


yeah bro a meta analysis published in one of the best journals taking into account 5000 studies is incorrect because rando on .org said so.


youre delusional if you think the face on the left looks more masculine jfl
View attachment 2576219

maybe I have to point it out
european cranial base is on the left african cranial base is on the right
View attachment 2576222

european
-more circular eye orbits
-narrow palate
-narrow alar base
-less forward growth
-smaller teeth
-less prominent cheek bones
-less sharp cheek bones
-lower set cheekbones




View attachment 2576224
which face looks more masculine? and be honest. Bro this isnt even debatable even whites think black faces are more masculine(statistically)

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You've fallen into the retarded thinking that the prognathic maxilla is ideal because muh forward growth. The European face has a more projected upper midface. It is also a fact of physical anthropology that the European has the most projecting chin of all races and blacks do not have projecting chins racially.

The European face you have included is a gracile leptoprosopic Nordic phenotype - the definition of cherry-picking. It isn't typical of Europeans or even of Nordics. There are European ethnicities which tend to have very wide faces and palates, such as Baltic people.

In the picture you have provided comparing different skulls, the European skull has a far more developed and projected upper midface (orbitals, nasal bone, etc), chin, and brow ridge - owned by your own fucking image:

Another moron who thinks the alveolar process is the only part of the maxilla and ignores the upper midface entirely. And yes the negroid orbitals are more boxy and larger - that is they are LESS DEVELOPED and shield the eyes LESS.

There are features of black faces which are reflective of masculinity - wide faces and palates. Others are not, such as their small chins and lack of brow ridge.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You've fallen into the retarded thinking that the prognathic maxilla is ideal because muh forward growth

it isnt you didnt read what I said at all I said it makes you look like a chimp. So either you think that i think looking like a chimp is ideal or you didnt read what I said. I just said prognathism isnt feminine which it isnt adult hominids are more prognathic as they get older never said it was "ideal"

proganathism isnt forward growth, I dont think a single person on this forum thinks prognathism is "ideal", forward growth is tho makes you look high class and sexy. Separates the kings from the fodder.

this is forward growth

Barrett might not be the best example since he sorta has chimp lip jfl

this is proganathism

the European face has a more projected upper midface.

they dont not the maxilla atleast but they do have more projected nasions

he European face you have included is a gracile leptoprosopic Nordic phenotype

its the most common germanic phenotype which is why its displayed on the front page of phenotypes.net and why it says so in the description.

Of course there are more masculine looking white phenos but it makes more sense to just talk about the most common ones.

baltics are more masculine looking the germanics but are still mogged(in terms of masculinity not PSL) by the more masculine black phenos

that the European has the most projecting chin of all races

That sentence doesnt even make sense theres no such thing as a "european" skull europeans, somalis, indians, arabs and certain west asians all have the same skull shape. Do you mean the caucasoid has the most projecting chin?

which tend to have very wide faces and palates, such as Baltics.

I know but in general, small teeth, narrow palates and narrow faces are Caucasoid traits. Look if you want to believe whites are the most masculine looking thats fine but blacks the most feminine? Come on you know thats bullshit

blacks do not have projecting chins racially.

everytime a black person gets extractions they pretty much always grow a chin

just extractions not even genio

 

[Pei]

prognathism isnt feminine it makes you look like a chimp theres a reason why hominids are less prognathic the younger they are.


blacks dont have weak chins its hidden by prognathism
View attachment 2576205

whites having defined jaws is a meme
even african women are more robust than white men

View attachment 2576208
View attachment 2576210


read the quote from the study

blacks being less dimorphic doesnt mean more feminine it either implies more masculine looking females or more feminine looking males the researches literally say this in the study jfl.


blacks also have the most square eye orbits, higher set sharper cheek bones, more forward growth, lower gonial angles, thicker ramuses, longer jaws, longer ramuses, wider faces etc. Every race has feminine characteristics you listing off random features doesnt mean shit.


yeah bro a meta analysis published in one of the best journals taking into account 5000 studies is incorrect because rando on .org said so.


youre delusional if you think the face on the left looks more masculine jfl
View attachment 2576219

maybe I have to point it out
european cranial base is on the left african cranial base is on the right
View attachment 2576222

european
-more circular eye orbits
-narrow palate
-narrow alar base
-less forward growth
-smaller teeth
-less prominent cheek bones
-less sharp cheek bones
-lower set cheekbones




View attachment 2576224
which face looks more masculine? and be honest. Bro this isnt even debatable even whites think black faces are more masculine(statistically)

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Retard is it feminine flatter maxilla is legit more masculine

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

flatter maxilla is legit more masculine

it isnt otherwise children would have more forward growth than adults, flat maxillas are a neotenous infant trait not masculine at all just because you found one cherry picked photo of a woman forward growth mogging a man doesnt mean forward growth is feminine

 

[Pei]

it isnt otherwise children would have more forward growth than adults, flat maxillas are a neotenous infant trait not masculine at all just because you found one cherry picked photo of a woman forward growth mogging a man doesnt mean forward growth is feminine

You’re so wrong, men tend to have flatter maxillas than women.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You’re so wrong, men tend to have flatter maxillas than women. View attachment 2576428

maybe youre right seems strange to me I simply assumed more developed bone = more masculine. I wonder if theres an evolutionary reason for this

 

[Pei]

it isnt otherwise children would have more forward growth than adults, flat maxillas are a neotenous infant trait not masculine at all just because you found one cherry picked photo of a woman forward growth mogging a man doesnt mean forward growth is feminine

Ignoring browridge the left side profile is much more feminine Vs flat maxilla masculine. Prognathism makes soft feautures more pronounced like lips. Also Google robust and gracile austrolopithecus. Gracile version was prognathous while robust more flat profiled.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

left side profile is much more feminine

left side looks more masculine to me sorta looks like a man in a wig to me (sorry nicky)

Gracile version was prognathous while robust more flat profiled.

prognathism is slightly more common in men than women

Prognathism: Definition, Causes & Treatment

Prognathism is protrusion of your jaw. This congenital condition can affect your upper jaw, lower jaw or both. Treatment usually involves surgery.

my.clevelandclinic.org

 

[Pei]

left side looks more masculine to me sorta looks like a man in a wig to me (sorry nicky)


prognathism is slightly more common in men than women

Prognathism: Definition, Causes & Treatment

Prognathism is protrusion of your jaw. This congenital condition can affect your upper jaw, lower jaw or both. Treatment usually involves surgery.

my.clevelandclinic.org

How? it makes your lip pouty, shortens your philtrum, and makes your chin weak. All soft features. Her level of anterior maxillary growth makes her face look way more feminine than any white women I’ve seen which is proof you’re wrong and it’s feminine

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

How? it makes your lip pouty, shortens your philtrum, and makes your chin weak. All soft features.

because it makes you look like a chimp I dont find chimp pheno attractive and most people male or female dont

more feminine than any white women I’ve seen which is proof you’re wrong and it’s feminine

so would you say you find prognathism attractive?

feminine than any white women

would you say shes more feminine than this

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

You’re so wrong, men tend to have flatter maxillas than women. View attachment 2576428

The projection of the maxilla in the skulls is pretty much the same it's just that the male skull is much taller

 

[Pei]

because it makes you look like a chimp I dont find chimp pheno attractive and most people male or female dont



so would you say you find prognathism attractive?


would you say shes more feminine than this
View attachment 2576447

Yeah she maxilla mogs all white women tbh