Exposing the biggest org fraud that is @piec (balding cell gftih)

20/04/2008

20/04/2008

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Why Finasteride (or dut) is a fraud :



So debunking the claim is finasteride dangerous for you yes or no

their are some people who get the following effects from just microdosing fin :

  • sexual dysfunction
  • Anhedonia
  • Depression
  • Anxiety
  • Lack of motivation
  • Lack of focus
While other seems fine using it

Soooo It depends on your neural phenotypes

Some things like childhood trauma has a lot of gaba menergic signaling adrenaline cortisol levels ect….

And also different architectures of the brain (I might write a thread about it its really interesting how you can just look at someone genes pool and know if he has adhd bi polar ect….. if this thread anhilate the fraud that is piec i sure would write about it)

Now lets starts on why finasteride cause all of this sides :

When you use and 5ar inhibitor your not just inhibiting dht but also progesterone and alopregnolone and if you neealycompletely inhibit the enzyme (which you probably will cause most of the 5ar is type 1 and don’t get me started on dut that shit blocks everything) or nearly you have no progesterone and alopregonolone function in your body so back then i thought well you can just take progestene just to come to the conclusion its gonna do nothing for cause you totaly inhibited thw enzyme.

Suggestion : (keep in mind this is not the best approach I’m gonna get to the nest approach later but its still better than the fraud that is piec feel free to insult his ass in the comments)



Now lets talk about the sides :

Remember about the sides i talked about earlier it was due to allo pregnolone who acts as a innate benzo in your system (so basicaly the main inhibotory gaba system in your brain is the gabaergic system related to the hormone you name it “gaba” it has 2 receptors Gaba B fair enough it can be agonized with just phenibut so no need first allopregnolone its not in the sort of communication in the brain anyway (which mean less signaling)

then We have Gaba A 😂😂😂

The only critical receptor and guess what the Gaba A receptor is modulated by allopregnolone which if you remember correctly you blocked earlier sp how do i explain it basicaly its like you took a reverse xanax so the average nigga is gonna have anhedonia exept of he is an outlier so now your fucking dependent on benzos who are super dangerous if you don’t wanna feel like shit

(Then some smart ass in the comment gonna write well then why dont you take alopregnolone well it has very short half life and it can’t be stored or kept so unless you want to be taking ng of allopregnolone every 5 minutes you should either feel like shit like that evil piec want you to be or be addicted to benzos 😂😂😂😂 for progesterone you can just take transdermal or micronuzed progesterone just make sure to be on hormones cause your at high risk of hypogonadism if you mess up your dosages)



(Also their are other alternatives so 1) way to get allopregnolone which in theory would work not sure 100% is your gonna take your progesterone and agnozed the tsp receptor you’ll end up with more neuro steroidgenisis so you have more alopregnolone just make sure to not get addicted to that shit might write a thread about how to never get addicted to compounds and how to get rid off any addiction but for that ill need you to support me and all insult piec parents for not putting on a rubber that sad night 😢😢😢

Getting back to what i was saying their some research that seem mehh like ettyfoxine but that shit is too risky in my opinion

2) alternative is basicaly fuck modulating gaba receptors you just take sodium valproate kt basicaly make your brain a sink of gaba kinda like piec asshole after getting fucked by every dermatologist prescribing him fin 😂😂😂😂

And its a hdac inhibitor so it have epigenetic change keep in mind that shit aint salt that a epilepsy drug and they are reliable 100% cause nigga imagine an epileptic go through withdrawal his gonna fucking die like piec pride after i finish writing this thread)

So to summarize a little :

Erectil dysfunction: is caused by low progesterone abdominal low dht

Anhedhonia : is cause by low alopregnolone levels

Anxiety : is caused because the amygdila have gaba receptors which when inhibited cause the amygdala to start tweaking like piec teading this right now well i hope finasteride would give you trauma and make you hyper vigilant to not with me next time keep in mind if it don’t happen to you it could just mean you had a gabaminergic deficit or your life so

you adapted your the exeption not the rule



Lack of focus : mainly because of low dht and progesterone youll need for that to increase your dopamenergic signaling (supposing you have average serotonorgic signaling) but you can use something like wellbutrin ritalin low dose in the morning 2x per week

(Wellbutrin do have bad effects on cholinergic system but supposing your an average dude and get a lot of choline in your diet your probably fine)



Here a Choline stack if anyone is interested i already writed it down wayback in the thread fix your life as a teenager :



  1. Acetylcholine
a.1g CDP choline 2x per day

b.20 mg Donepezil upon rising

c.300 mg alpha gpc in the morning

d.500 mg Uridine monophosphate in the morning

e.1000 mg piracetam (5x per week$

f.30 mg Noopept



So your gonna ask me what could you do well you can use a topical dut in the hairline or balding areas (but good luck sourcing that)

(Before you ragebait in the comments i already thought about blocking the androgen receptor with Ru but to much side effects especially knowing the information I’m gonna reveal later)



The biggest lie ever said about hairloss :

is that dht cause hairloss if dht cause its mainly becuase it caus low estrogen who is responsible for the hairloss (just look at the guys who took tamoxifen who get hairloss look at the guys who take masteron who get hairloss which if you didn’t know is less androgenic than test its because of its serm effects look at rad 140 who is literraly 0 androgenic and still result in hairloss don’t forget rad 140 was intended to cute breast cancer so its all about estrogens)



If anything Dht increase hair growth :

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6989660/



We have seen the effects of blocking DHT. It SLOWS hair loss and some get a MILD regrowth at best with all the sides and complex protocols you should apply to counter act those side effects



The problem with the hairloss comunity is they often overlook the basics like what about hypogonadol nigga who got hairloss they don’t have high dht yet they are bald

So lets get to it the main reasons of hairloss :

  • Low estrogen as said earlier
  • Bad lifestyle habits
  • Poor nutrition
  • Lack of exercise


Then we have the most important ones :

  • Insulin resistance
  • Stress
  • The main contributing factor of hairloss and the most overloked one is hypoxia you can try it yourself put on a hat on your hair for 12 hours your gonna feel your haur thinning if you think im coping


So my Definitive hairloss stack that I’ll reccomend :



Topical supplements:
-Ketoconazole cream. 1 to 2 times a day, every day. If price or convenience is an issue, the minimum this should be applied is before bed to balding areas. Ketoconazole has been shown to be just as effective as minoxidil in studies with the shampoo. And even stronger the cream has been shown to produce results with an overnight application.

-Emu oil. 1-2 times a day. One of the only proven items I’ve come across that increases skin and hair DNA synthesis, with studies showing hair regrowth.

-Peppermint oil. 1-2 times a day. Peppermint oil has been shown in studies to be equivalent to minoxidil, without the negative side effects that result in premature aging of the skin.

-Evening Primrose oil or Borage oil. Both shown to cause hair regrowth in studies. Just adding a little more fat topically which is absorbed via the skin. Also useful for GLA’s effect on prostaglandins for halting inflammation, hair loss, and aiding hair regrowth.

-Spironolactone cream. Spironolactone has been shown to restore a 60 year old males hairline to his teenage years hair line that he had lost decades ago. Although we use this item topically, it still has the same benefits locally as it is used for such issues as hair loss and hirsutism topically. However topically it does not go systematic as in studies it has been applied to patients whole backs without going systematic. Spironolactone blocks the binding of androgens to the androgen receptor and helps increase estrogen locally.



-BiEstro cream. E2 and E3 combo, Estradiol and Estriol. Apply once or twice a day to balding areas.

The amount used here is enough to cover balding thinning areas. Due to the area we are applying it studies have shown no real systematic absorption. And also to the fact of the dose we are using is quite low as well. None of the users nor myself could produce an estrogenic side on this when applied to the scalp. Some of us who would normally get estrogenic sides off testosterone use as low as 200 mg.

(You can add bold for E1 if you wanna maximize but kinda pain in the ass cause you have to do bloods and make sure your E1 doesn’t lower your E2 and E3 basicaly you should keep them in harmony)



We have also seen what adding estrogen does for hair, as the byproduct of the thousands of male to female sex changes. These individuals can regrow full heads of amazing hair, bringing back hair reminiscent of that which they had when they were teenagers.

Likely, the ones seeing any bit of regrowth from DHT blockers are as a result of the mild estrogen increase triggered by these compounds. Studies of topical estrogen, plain and simple, work. In both men and women. As a bonus, adding estrogen topically doesn’t just increase estrogen -it also the localized concentration of the aromatase enzyme.

(I’ve saw myself dozens of people on reedit i swear i dont know why i couldnt find them having resuts if anyone has it please write it down below)

(For the studies i linked so many in the ashwaganda and no body gave a fuck

So because of that here are some studies on mice :

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14962083/

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...e-tenth-day-after-hair-shaving_fig1_229083213





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Here is someone who got hair growth using estriol and estradiol cream



=End justification for BiEstro Cream==

Rub this mixture on once or twice a day depending on your available time. Once a day is totally fine, and optimal for most, if you can apply it before bed. If not, and you must do it in the day, pick a time where you can leave it on for at least 1-2 hours before showering it out.



Supplements:

Minerals might be needed if severely deficient, some doses are based off studies and you may not need these doses. You must find your own dose.

-Zinc Picolinate. 100-150mg a day for 6-8 weeks, tops.

This depends on a few factors. Add up your dietary zinc content that you typically average, and then decide if zinc might be low and determine the dose that you want. This has been noted in studies to completely reverse hair loss and hypothyroid conditions that are due to a zinc deficiency. NOTE: You may not need this, use discretion. Too much zinc can lead to other problems.

-Taurine. 2.5 grams, 2x a day.

In regards to hair loss, Taurine has been shown to help combat fibrosis of the scalp, thus

increasing circulation and hair growth.



Black Currant Oil, 3g a day.

This is utilized for its Gamma Linoleic Acid (GLA) content, which has anti-inflammatory properties, the ability to increase hair growth prostaglandins (PGE), and the ability to inhibit hair loss prostaglandins (PGD). These prostaglandins are another contributing factor to hair loss/growth aside from the androgens.

Three items have been shown to decrease GLA – wheat, dairy, and trans fats – through inhibition of an enzyme called D6D. The typical western diet is full of these foods. Inhibition of the D6D enzyme prevents the conversion of Linoleic Acid (LA) into GLA. The inhibition of D6D also happens with age, and is likely one of the key contributors to balding getting worse with age. This is just about the only process that can link balding to aging that has not already been explored.

In taking a GLA supplement, we bypass the enzymatic conversion entirely and have the end product.

Black Currant oil was also shown in animal studies to prevent many of the negatives of excessive fructose intake, such as fatty liver.



Grapeseed Extract, 500-1000mg a day.
GSE has been shown in animal studies to improve insulin resistance as much as metformin. Studies have also shown GSE to double the number of hairs in the anagen (growth) phase. As far as I am aware, no other compound has been shown to have effects this potent.

(Note : i do not advise to take metformin or berberine for other reasons i would write a thread about it in the near future)



Chromium gtf is used for combating insulin resistance, which is seen as a contributing factor for hair loss as mentioned above when talking about GSE. Again, some may not need this. Chromium GTF has been shown in case studies with type 2 diabetics to remove all exogenous insulin dependency within a couple months of use i recommend using 1000mcg a day for about 6 weeks



And you want to be eating or supplementing with those :

Magnesium

B vitamins

Vitamin K2

You also wanna be getting fats in your diet (especially from Mufas and Pufas (just make sure your not getting it from seed oils because its processed that a whole other topic id advise to get from seeds)



but I assure you, PUFA fats are NOT bad for you. Getting them from healthy sources has countless proven health benefits: anti-carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory, pro-sleep, pro-thyroid, etc. The benefits of unheated PUFA fats are a very deep topic on their own.

The epidermis of your skin is made of 60 percent Omega-6 PUFA fats. Do not fall for the “Omega-3 must be higher than Omega-6” speech that has no proven benefits and multiple proven detriments. All of the studies linking PUFA fats to health issues look at the typical use for PUFA fats in the western diet: cooking, frying, and otherwise heating the fats. If we are to take the same controlled environment but introduce raw, unheated PUFA fats from seeds and nuts, the studies flip completely. Anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, and all-around health marker improvement is marked.



Another issue found often in the bodybuilding and fitness realm is the “eating too clean” phenomenon. If you were to add up chicken, rice, broccoli, and some olive oil on your favorite diet app, I can guarantee that you’d see that it’s a struggle to reach even 15 percent of RDA requirements for PUFA fats. When this happens, the skin goes dry and wrinkles appear, hair becomes straw like and falls out, etc. Digestive issues ensue, and metabolism slows down. As PUFA fats are shown to increase thyroid hormone sensitivity by almost 20 percent, dieting becomes harder and fat accrual in a calorie surplus becomes far easier. This isn’t even rectifiable with exogenous thyroid hormones – take all the thyroid drugs you want, if your sensitivity isn’t up to par your metabolism will suffer.

(Fun fact : Studies have also shown that when consumed in equal quantities, monounsaturated and saturated fats cause fat gain. Saturated fat was shown to cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity as well. PUFA fat, on the other hand, caused barely any fat gain. The majority of weight gained was muscle, insulin sensitivity increased, and abdominal fat thickness decreased.)



Other Foods.

Pineapple is used as a general health food with documented anti-inflammatory benefits, contains an enzyme papaya if i can recall that aids in the digestion of protein, is a fantastic source of vitamins, and is a preferred fruit due to the lower-end fructose content. In regards to hair regrowth, the main benefit is its anti-inflammatory property.



Massage/Mechanical Manipulation:

Vigorously massage, brush, or pinch your scalp in the balding areas. 1-2 times a day, for whatever time frame you can manage; the longer the better. 3-5 minutes is great, 10 minutes is better. Use as much pressure as possible. Tissue manipulation like this increases circulation and has been proven in studies to aid hair growth. To assist in blood flow further, you can bend over and point your head toward the ground, allowing gravity to assist in delivering blood to the target area.



You could also look in the More plates more plates micro needling stuff :



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(Keep in mind i put a big emphazize on finasteride mainly because piec was promoting it)

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Half true. The first part is true and based. But dht does cause hairloss. But actually high carb diet converts more testo into dht. And increases sweat glad activation(makes skin oily too). Which then leads to miniaturization of head hair follicles. Also although all of this is true. We can't deny the genetic component of it. Which is the main cause. (Sensitivity of hair follicles to dht) that's why some people don't go bald even when on roids.
 
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So what's the cure to post finasteride syndrome from your research bud
 
Actually good thread, didn't expect to talk about sodium valproate, but you didn't specify how to use it for anxiety and let's not forget that in regular dosing and frequency it can cause hair loss
 
what the actual f*ck. Isn't the daily limit like 40 mg or smth
Nahh
Actually good thread, didn't expect to talk about sodium valproate, but you didn't specify how to use it for anxiety and let's not forget that in regular dosing and frequency it can cause hair loss
i would write a thread about it
 
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So what's the cure to post finasteride syndrome from your research bud
Just don’t take it
The whole thread is to show how complex finasteride is and if it cures something it destroys another
I gived a way some advice on how you can run fin for people who don’t believe the theory about estrogen
And showed other alternatives
And some things crucial fir hairloss that are often overlooked
And some new stuff
 
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Nigga i could write it in french and let you do the translating english is like my 4th language i learned and reading your replies you aren’t speaking english good yourself
Note : stop larping you probably understand what i say
 
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Just don’t take it
The whole thread is to show how complex finasteride is and if it cures something it destroys another
I gived a way some advice on how you can run fin for people who don’t believe the theory about estrogen
And showed other alternatives
And some things crucial fir hairloss that are often overlooked
And some new stuff
I already took it :forcedsmile: and I got PFS

Got a long road ahead of me to cure this shit pray for me :feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy:
 
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Why Finasteride (or dut) is a fraud :



So debunking the claim is finasteride dangerous for you yes or no

their are some people who get the following effects from just microdosing fin :

  • sexual dysfunction
  • Anhedonia
  • Depression
  • Anxiety
  • Lack of motivation
  • Lack of focus
While other seems fine using it

Soooo It depends on your neural phenotypes

Some things like childhood trauma has a lot of gaba menergic signaling adrenaline cortisol levels ect….

And also different architectures of the brain (I might write a thread about it its really interesting how you can just look at someone genes pool and know if he has adhd bi polar ect….. if this thread anhilate the fraud that is piec i sure would write about it)

Now lets starts on why finasteride cause all of this sides :

When you use and 5ar inhibitor your not just inhibiting dht but also progesterone and alopregnolone and if you neealycompletely inhibit the enzyme (which you probably will cause most of the 5ar is type 1 and don’t get me started on dut that shit blocks everything) or nearly you have no progesterone and alopregonolone function in your body so back then i thought well you can just take progestene just to come to the conclusion its gonna do nothing for cause you totaly inhibited thw enzyme.

Suggestion : (keep in mind this is not the best approach I’m gonna get to the nest approach later but its still better than the fraud that is piec feel free to insult his ass in the comments)



Now lets talk about the sides :

Remember about the sides i talked about earlier it was due to allo pregnolone who acts as a innate benzo in your system (so basicaly the main inhibotory gaba system in your brain is the gabaergic system related to the hormone you name it “gaba” it has 2 receptors Gaba B fair enough it can be agonized with just phenibut so no need first allopregnolone its not in the sort of communication in the brain anyway (which mean less signaling)

then We have Gaba A 😂😂😂

The only critical receptor and guess what the Gaba A receptor is modulated by allopregnolone which if you remember correctly you blocked earlier sp how do i explain it basicaly its like you took a reverse xanax so the average nigga is gonna have anhedonia exept of he is an outlier so now your fucking dependent on benzos who are super dangerous if you don’t wanna feel like shit

(Then some smart ass in the comment gonna write well then why dont you take alopregnolone well it has very short half life and it can’t be stored or kept so unless you want to be taking ng of allopregnolone every 5 minutes you should either feel like shit like that evil piec want you to be or be addicted to benzos 😂😂😂😂 for progesterone you can just take transdermal or micronuzed progesterone just make sure to be on hormones cause your at high risk of hypogonadism if you mess up your dosages)



(Also their are other alternatives so 1) way to get allopregnolone which in theory would work not sure 100% is your gonna take your progesterone and agnozed the tsp receptor you’ll end up with more neuro steroidgenisis so you have more alopregnolone just make sure to not get addicted to that shit might write a thread about how to never get addicted to compounds and how to get rid off any addiction but for that ill need you to support me and all insult piec parents for not putting on a rubber that sad night 😢😢😢

Getting back to what i was saying their some research that seem mehh like ettyfoxine but that shit is too risky in my opinion

2) alternative is basicaly fuck modulating gaba receptors you just take sodium valproate kt basicaly make your brain a sink of gaba kinda like piec asshole after getting fucked by every dermatologist prescribing him fin 😂😂😂😂

And its a hdac inhibitor so it have epigenetic change keep in mind that shit aint salt that a epilepsy drug and they are reliable 100% cause nigga imagine an epileptic go through withdrawal his gonna fucking die like piec pride after i finish writing this thread)

So to summarize a little :

Erectil dysfunction: is caused by low progesterone abdominal low dht

Anhedhonia : is cause by low alopregnolone levels

Anxiety : is caused because the amygdila have gaba receptors which when inhibited cause the amygdala to start tweaking like piec teading this right now well i hope finasteride would give you trauma and make you hyper vigilant to not with me next time keep in mind if it don’t happen to you it could just mean you had a gabaminergic deficit or your life so

you adapted your the exeption not the rule



Lack of focus : mainly because of low dht and progesterone youll need for that to increase your dopamenergic signaling (supposing you have average serotonorgic signaling) but you can use something like wellbutrin ritalin low dose in the morning 2x per week

(Wellbutrin do have bad effects on cholinergic system but supposing your an average dude and get a lot of choline in your diet your probably fine)



Here a Choline stack if anyone is interested i already writed it down wayback in the thread fix your life as a teenager :



  1. Acetylcholine
a.1g CDP choline 2x per day

b.20 mg Donepezil upon rising

c.300 mg alpha gpc in the morning

d.500 mg Uridine monophosphate in the morning

e.1000 mg piracetam (5x per week$

f.30 mg Noopept



So your gonna ask me what could you do well you can use a topical dut in the hairline or balding areas (but good luck sourcing that)

(Before you ragebait in the comments i already thought about blocking the androgen receptor with Ru but to much side effects especially knowing the information I’m gonna reveal later)



The biggest lie ever said about hairloss :

is that dht cause hairloss if dht cause its mainly becuase it caus low estrogen who is responsible for the hairloss (just look at the guys who took tamoxifen who get hairloss look at the guys who take masteron who get hairloss which if you didn’t know is less androgenic than test its because of its serm effects look at rad 140 who is literraly 0 androgenic and still result in hairloss don’t forget rad 140 was intended to cute breast cancer so its all about estrogens)



If anything Dht increase hair growth :

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6989660/



We have seen the effects of blocking DHT. It SLOWS hair loss and some get a MILD regrowth at best with all the sides and complex protocols you should apply to counter act those side effects



The problem with the hairloss comunity is they often overlook the basics like what about hypogonadol nigga who got hairloss they don’t have high dht yet they are bald

So lets get to it the main reasons of hairloss :

  • Low estrogen as said earlier
  • Bad lifestyle habits
  • Poor nutrition
  • Lack of exercise


Then we have the most important ones :

  • Insulin resistance
  • Stress
  • The main contributing factor of hairloss and the most overloked one is hypoxia you can try it yourself put on a hat on your hair for 12 hours your gonna feel your haur thinning if you think im coping


So my Definitive hairloss stack that I’ll reccomend :



Topical supplements:
-Ketoconazole cream. 1 to 2 times a day, every day. If price or convenience is an issue, the minimum this should be applied is before bed to balding areas. Ketoconazole has been shown to be just as effective as minoxidil in studies with the shampoo. And even stronger the cream has been shown to produce results with an overnight application.

-Emu oil. 1-2 times a day. One of the only proven items I’ve come across that increases skin and hair DNA synthesis, with studies showing hair regrowth.

-Peppermint oil. 1-2 times a day. Peppermint oil has been shown in studies to be equivalent to minoxidil, without the negative side effects that result in premature aging of the skin.

-Evening Primrose oil or Borage oil. Both shown to cause hair regrowth in studies. Just adding a little more fat topically which is absorbed via the skin. Also useful for GLA’s effect on prostaglandins for halting inflammation, hair loss, and aiding hair regrowth.

-Spironolactone cream. Spironolactone has been shown to restore a 60 year old males hairline to his teenage years hair line that he had lost decades ago. Although we use this item topically, it still has the same benefits locally as it is used for such issues as hair loss and hirsutism topically. However topically it does not go systematic as in studies it has been applied to patients whole backs without going systematic. Spironolactone blocks the binding of androgens to the androgen receptor and helps increase estrogen locally.



-BiEstro cream. E2 and E3 combo, Estradiol and Estriol. Apply once or twice a day to balding areas.

The amount used here is enough to cover balding thinning areas. Due to the area we are applying it studies have shown no real systematic absorption. And also to the fact of the dose we are using is quite low as well. None of the users nor myself could produce an estrogenic side on this when applied to the scalp. Some of us who would normally get estrogenic sides off testosterone use as low as 200 mg.

(You can add bold for E1 if you wanna maximize but kinda pain in the ass cause you have to do bloods and make sure your E1 doesn’t lower your E2 and E3 basicaly you should keep them in harmony)



We have also seen what adding estrogen does for hair, as the byproduct of the thousands of male to female sex changes. These individuals can regrow full heads of amazing hair, bringing back hair reminiscent of that which they had when they were teenagers.

Likely, the ones seeing any bit of regrowth from DHT blockers are as a result of the mild estrogen increase triggered by these compounds. Studies of topical estrogen, plain and simple, work. In both men and women. As a bonus, adding estrogen topically doesn’t just increase estrogen -it also the localized concentration of the aromatase enzyme.

(I’ve saw myself dozens of people on reedit i swear i dont know why i couldnt find them having resuts if anyone has it please write it down below)

(For the studies i linked so many in the ashwaganda and no body gave a fuck

So because of that here are some studies on mice :

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14962083/

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...e-tenth-day-after-hair-shaving_fig1_229083213





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Here is someone who got hair growth using estriol and estradiol cream



=End justification for BiEstro Cream==

Rub this mixture on once or twice a day depending on your available time. Once a day is totally fine, and optimal for most, if you can apply it before bed. If not, and you must do it in the day, pick a time where you can leave it on for at least 1-2 hours before showering it out.



Supplements:

Minerals might be needed if severely deficient, some doses are based off studies and you may not need these doses. You must find your own dose.

-Zinc Picolinate. 100-150mg a day for 6-8 weeks, tops.

This depends on a few factors. Add up your dietary zinc content that you typically average, and then decide if zinc might be low and determine the dose that you want. This has been noted in studies to completely reverse hair loss and hypothyroid conditions that are due to a zinc deficiency. NOTE: You may not need this, use discretion. Too much zinc can lead to other problems.

-Taurine. 2.5 grams, 2x a day.

In regards to hair loss, Taurine has been shown to help combat fibrosis of the scalp, thus

increasing circulation and hair growth.



Black Currant Oil, 3g a day.

This is utilized for its Gamma Linoleic Acid (GLA) content, which has anti-inflammatory properties, the ability to increase hair growth prostaglandins (PGE), and the ability to inhibit hair loss prostaglandins (PGD). These prostaglandins are another contributing factor to hair loss/growth aside from the androgens.

Three items have been shown to decrease GLA – wheat, dairy, and trans fats – through inhibition of an enzyme called D6D. The typical western diet is full of these foods. Inhibition of the D6D enzyme prevents the conversion of Linoleic Acid (LA) into GLA. The inhibition of D6D also happens with age, and is likely one of the key contributors to balding getting worse with age. This is just about the only process that can link balding to aging that has not already been explored.

In taking a GLA supplement, we bypass the enzymatic conversion entirely and have the end product.

Black Currant oil was also shown in animal studies to prevent many of the negatives of excessive fructose intake, such as fatty liver.



Grapeseed Extract, 500-1000mg a day.
GSE has been shown in animal studies to improve insulin resistance as much as metformin. Studies have also shown GSE to double the number of hairs in the anagen (growth) phase. As far as I am aware, no other compound has been shown to have effects this potent.

(Note : i do not advise to take metformin or berberine for other reasons i would write a thread about it in the near future)



Chromium gtf is used for combating insulin resistance, which is seen as a contributing factor for hair loss as mentioned above when talking about GSE. Again, some may not need this. Chromium GTF has been shown in case studies with type 2 diabetics to remove all exogenous insulin dependency within a couple months of use i recommend using 1000mcg a day for about 6 weeks



And you want to be eating or supplementing with those :

Magnesium

B vitamins

Vitamin K2

You also wanna be getting fats in your diet (especially from Mufas and Pufas (just make sure your not getting it from seed oils because its processed that a whole other topic id advise to get from seeds)



but I assure you, PUFA fats are NOT bad for you. Getting them from healthy sources has countless proven health benefits: anti-carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory, pro-sleep, pro-thyroid, etc. The benefits of unheated PUFA fats are a very deep topic on their own.

The epidermis of your skin is made of 60 percent Omega-6 PUFA fats. Do not fall for the “Omega-3 must be higher than Omega-6” speech that has no proven benefits and multiple proven detriments. All of the studies linking PUFA fats to health issues look at the typical use for PUFA fats in the western diet: cooking, frying, and otherwise heating the fats. If we are to take the same controlled environment but introduce raw, unheated PUFA fats from seeds and nuts, the studies flip completely. Anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, and all-around health marker improvement is marked.



Another issue found often in the bodybuilding and fitness realm is the “eating too clean” phenomenon. If you were to add up chicken, rice, broccoli, and some olive oil on your favorite diet app, I can guarantee that you’d see that it’s a struggle to reach even 15 percent of RDA requirements for PUFA fats. When this happens, the skin goes dry and wrinkles appear, hair becomes straw like and falls out, etc. Digestive issues ensue, and metabolism slows down. As PUFA fats are shown to increase thyroid hormone sensitivity by almost 20 percent, dieting becomes harder and fat accrual in a calorie surplus becomes far easier. This isn’t even rectifiable with exogenous thyroid hormones – take all the thyroid drugs you want, if your sensitivity isn’t up to par your metabolism will suffer.

(Fun fact : Studies have also shown that when consumed in equal quantities, monounsaturated and saturated fats cause fat gain. Saturated fat was shown to cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity as well. PUFA fat, on the other hand, caused barely any fat gain. The majority of weight gained was muscle, insulin sensitivity increased, and abdominal fat thickness decreased.)



Other Foods.

Pineapple is used as a general health food with documented anti-inflammatory benefits, contains an enzyme papaya if i can recall that aids in the digestion of protein, is a fantastic source of vitamins, and is a preferred fruit due to the lower-end fructose content. In regards to hair regrowth, the main benefit is its anti-inflammatory property.



Massage/Mechanical Manipulation:

Vigorously massage, brush, or pinch your scalp in the balding areas. 1-2 times a day, for whatever time frame you can manage; the longer the better. 3-5 minutes is great, 10 minutes is better. Use as much pressure as possible. Tissue manipulation like this increases circulation and has been proven in studies to aid hair growth. To assist in blood flow further, you can bend over and point your head toward the ground, allowing gravity to assist in delivering blood to the target area.



You could also look in the More plates more plates micro needling stuff :



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(Keep in mind i put a big emphazize on finasteride mainly because piec was promoting it)

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that is the most retarded shit i have ever seen in my life
 
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So my Definitive hairloss stack that I’ll reccomend :



Topical supplements:
-Ketoconazole cream. 1 to 2 times a day, every day. If price or convenience is an issue, the minimum this should be applied is before bed to balding areas. Ketoconazole has been shown to be just as effective as minoxidil in studies with the shampoo. And even stronger the cream has been shown to produce results with an overnight application.

-Emu oil. 1-2 times a day. One of the only proven items I’ve come across that increases skin and hair DNA synthesis, with studies showing hair regrowth.

-Peppermint oil. 1-2 times a day. Peppermint oil has been shown in studies to be equivalent to minoxidil, without the negative side effects that result in premature aging of the skin.

-Evening Primrose oil or Borage oil. Both shown to cause hair regrowth in studies. Just adding a little more fat topically which is absorbed via the skin. Also useful for GLA’s effect on prostaglandins for halting inflammation, hair loss, and aiding hair regrowth.

-Spironolactone cream. Spironolactone has been shown to restore a 60 year old males hairline to his teenage years hair line that he had lost decades ago. Although we use this item topically, it still has the same benefits locally as it is used for such issues as hair loss and hirsutism topically. However topically it does not go systematic as in studies it has been applied to patients whole backs without going systematic. Spironolactone blocks the binding of androgens to the androgen receptor and helps increase estrogen locally.



-BiEstro cream. E2 and E3 combo, Estradiol and Estriol. Apply once or twice a day to balding areas.

The amount used here is enough to cover balding thinning areas. Due to the area we are applying it studies have shown no real systematic absorption. And also to the fact of the dose we are using is quite low as well. None of the users nor myself could produce an estrogenic side on this when applied to the scalp. Some of us who would normally get estrogenic sides off testosterone use as low as 200 mg.

(You can add bold for E1 if you wanna maximize but kinda pain in the ass cause you have to do bloods and make sure your E1 doesn’t lower your E2 and E3 basicaly you should keep them in harmony)
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i am genuinely sorry to anyone who falls for this but atp its on you man
 
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that is the most retarded shit i have ever seen in my life


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How it feels talking to this nigga
 
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i am genuinely sorry to anyone who falls for this but atp its on you man
Nigga im tired then just write a thread showing how retarded i am smart ass
 


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How it feels talking to this nigga

nah bro there is no way, you probably spent like 2+ hours typing this to write the biggest load cope i have ever seen no joke

literally every single part of this is wrong and im only going through it like this

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its a really big achievment considering its like 50 lines of text

im not even gonna go through your points because i just cba, but this shit is mad funny
 
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nah bro there is no way, you probably spent like 2+ hours typing this to write the biggest load cope i have ever seen no joke

literally every single part of this is wrong and im only going through it like this

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its a really big achievment considering its like 50 lines of text

im not even gonna go through your points because i just cba, but this shit is mad funny
Nigga i swear im gonna ignore you at thispoint why do i put so much effort 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
why do i put so much effort 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i genuinely dont know bro, you put in so much effort, so much research and somehow manage to get EVERY single thing wrong, its quite amazing really
 
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Holy shit thread, duta or ldar
 
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you're 16 and balding?
 
so your stack has an n=0
Yes but that just preveion cause im using gear
Also i have 0 5ar inhibitor
And because of my hcg and hmg my dht is through the roof no signs of hairloss

But thats maybe cause I’m young
 
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Yes but that just preveion cause im using gear
Also i have 0 5ar inhibitor
And because of my hcg and hmg my dht is through the roof no signs of hairloss

But thats maybe cause I’m young
keep reading and growing you have many years ahead of you
 
I already took it :forcedsmile: and I got PFS

Got a long road ahead of me to cure this shit pray for me :feelswhy::feelswhy::feelswhy:
PFS isn’t real. So sorry but there’s zero evidence that it exists once you stop the drug.

You should mention to people that you took Fin at 14 and cucked your development which is why you think you have PFS. Otherwise it’s disingenuous.
 
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Great thread, a few things i wanted to talk about. Firstly, you claim PUFA if gotten from "healthy" sources are not bad for you which is news to me.
>Zinc Picolinate. 100-150mg a day for 6-8 weeks, tops.
I don't recommend this at all, taking zinc even 40-50mg a day can result in a copper deficiency. The problem with supplementing a mineral is that you will cause imbalance, copper/zinc have the same pathway and need to be balanced, you supplement one and cause deficiency in the other, same goes for other supplements targeting minerals/vitamins. I actually gave myself a copper deficiency about 1.5 years ago due to excessive zinc supplementation and that was only 40mg/day for 2-3 weeks.

I'm not entirely sure what the choline stack is referring to and what you mean by that.
Also not a fan of Nizoral/Ketoconazole, some people have claimed side-effects similar to 5ARIs and few people even claimed PFS symptoms from it, it does seem to reduce DHT systemically somewhat. I wouldn't recommend it personally, i know it's used for a bunch of different reasons, inflammation, scalp fungal infection, seborrheic dermatitis etc. Glad you said not to take metaformin, i always thought people were dumb for taking that shit for "anti-ageing" purposes etc and thinking there's no consequences with a drug like that although i am curious what you have to say about it.

The scalp massages that everybody knows about are good, perfecthairhealth has indepth scalp massages that better/more effective than the usual shit you see on youtube, but i actually think doing a very hard/rough scalp massage or whatever will do more harm than good. You'll just shed a lot of hair doing such type of massage, especially with a brush or even your hands if enough force/etc is applied to the follicles, a lot of breakage/hair-loss can ensure, especially if your hair follicles are already brittle and easily fall out if you just touch your hair near the scalp. The upside down method for delivering nutrients/blood to scalp is something i've done before, i just go on my bed and stand on my head for 30 seconds a few times throughout the day, whether it helps to any significant level, i don't know but i'll keep doing it because what harm is there?

You also mentioned "oxygen", care to explain more? i know an increase in nitric oxide is beneficial for hair and there are supplements and ways to increase nitric oxide but i've read doing so can cause issues so not entirely sure about it.
I need a way to strengthen my hair follicles, it too easily falls out, whether that's due to fibrosis or some other reason i am not entirely sure.
 
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Yes but that just preveion cause im using gear
Also i have 0 5ar inhibitor
And because of my hcg and hmg my dht is through the roof no signs of hairloss

But thats maybe cause I’m young
You're 16 and already on gear? :think:
 
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Great thread, a few things i wanted to talk about. Firstly, you claim PUFA if gotten from "healthy" sources are not bad for you which is news to me.
>Zinc Picolinate. 100-150mg a day for 6-8 weeks, tops.
I don't recommend this at all, taking zinc even 40-50mg a day can result in a copper deficiency. The problem with supplementing a mineral is that you will cause imbalance, copper/zinc have the same pathway and need to be balanced, you supplement one and cause deficiency in the other, same goes for other supplements targeting minerals/vitamins. I actually gave myself a copper deficiency about 1.5 years ago due to excessive zinc supplementation and that was only 40mg/day for 2-3 weeks.

I'm not entirely sure what the choline stack is referring to and what you mean by that.
Also not a fan of Nizoral/Ketoconazole, some people have claimed side-effects similar to 5ARIs and few people even claimed PFS symptoms from it, it does seem to reduce DHT systemically somewhat. I wouldn't recommend it personally, i know it's used for a bunch of different reasons, inflammation, scalp fungal infection, seborrheic dermatitis etc. Glad you said not to take metaformin, i always thought people were dumb for taking that shit for "anti-ageing" purposes etc and thinking there's no consequences with a drug like that although i am curious what you have to say about it.

The scalp massages that everybody knows about are good, perfecthairhealth has indepth scalp massages that better/more effective than the usual shit you see on youtube, but i actually think doing a very hard/rough scalp massage or whatever will do more harm than good. You'll just shed a lot of hair doing such type of massage, especially with a brush or even your hands if enough force/etc is applied to the follicles, a lot of breakage/hair-loss can ensure, especially if your hair follicles are already brittle and easily fall out if you just touch your hair near the scalp. The upside down method for delivering nutrients/blood to scalp is something i've done before, i just go on my bed and stand on my head for 30 seconds a few times throughout the day, whether it helps to any significant level, i don't know but i'll keep doing it because what harm is there?

You also mentioned "oxygen", care to explain more? i know an increase in nitric oxide is beneficial for hair and there are supplements and ways to increase nitric oxide but i've read doing so can cause issues so not entirely sure about it.
I need a way to strengthen my hair follicles, it too easily falls out, whether that's due to fibrosis or some other reason i am not entirely sure.
zinc picolinate ≠ elemental zinc
You didn’t read the whole thred or you didn’t understand it
By oxygen i lean the lack of it try to always breath by your nose avoid closing your door and windows of your room
 
dnr but did this guy make an academic essay for .org?
 
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Oral fin is shit yes but why not use topical ? I didn't get that, it's literally OTC here in uk u just fill out a form saying ur bald and they send it in the post
 
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but mirin the effort to eliminate competition

dutasteride slams and if you arent taking it you arent even trying to looksmax
 
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Oral fin is shit yes but why not use topical ? I didn't get that, it's literally OTC here in uk u just fill out a form saying ur bald and they send it in the post
Writed a thread about it 😑
And estrodiol estriol cream > topical fin and dut
 
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nigga there is no way I am reading allat summarize
 
i vouch even tho i never used anything
 
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@piec is a broke ugly gambling addict that lives in the slums of krakow.
 
I'd be hanging from a ceiling fan if it wasn't for fin / dut. No sexual sides and have all my hair at 25. Started balding at 18. Switched to dut a month ago because this is the age where hair loss really starts to ramp up in my family.
 
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Shit thread

Balding is caused by high level of dht + high level of androgen receptors in the scalp


So whats the solution?? To block dht !!
Dut , Fin + min > multi vitamines and weird estrogen creams?


You shit broscience theory about "low estrogen in the scalp??" Causing baldness is Shit
 

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