First and last cycle 18years old

[luke_]

I done quite a lot of research and have formed a plan for my first cycle, my main goal is to gain bone mass in the little time I may or may not have left and also to gain a nice amount of muscle. My only concern really is infertility because if I can’t reproduce why bother at all. Anyways please dissect the following cycle and give me any criticism or advice please.
Week 1: 250 test E (mon/thurs), 25 clomid (daily), 0.25 arimidex (EOD)
Week 2: same as previous
Week 3: same + 25 anavar (daily), 4IUs HGH (night,daily), test E from 250 to 300
Week 4: Same + 25 more var (1 pre workout, 1 night,daily) maybe 0.25 arimidex more if I have high estrogen and do a blood test
Week 5: same
Week 6: same + 500IUs HCG (eod)
Week 7,8,9: same + blood test week 8
Week 10: same but 200 test e, 2IUs hgh
Week 11: same -25 nightly var
Week 12: 100 test, No hgh, 25 clomid, 1000 hcg, 0.25 arimidex, no var
Week 13: only 1000 hcg, 50 clomid
Week 14: same +blood test
Week 15: same but if bloods are bad maybe 1500 hcg
Week 18: either 500 or 1000 hcg 50 clomid
Week 19: 500 hcg 25 clomid
Week 20: same
Cycle complete.
Please give me advice and let me know what you think I know it’s a big read but please help. Thank you for your time

 

[SoundnVision]

It's never the last

 

[luke_]

It's never the last

We will see

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

toss out the clomid at the start @
& looks good to me

 

[Copercel]

I done quite a lot of research and have formed a plan for my first cycle, my main goal is to gain bone mass in the little time I may or may not have left and also to gain a nice amount of muscle. My only concern really is infertility because if I can’t reproduce why bother at all. Anyways please dissect the following cycle and give me any criticism or advice please.
Week 1: 250 test E (mon/thurs), 25 clomid (daily), 0.25 arimidex (EOD)
Week 2: same as previous
Week 3: same + 25 anavar (daily), 4IUs HGH (night,daily), test E from 250 to 300
Week 4: Same + 25 more var (1 pre workout, 1 night,daily) maybe 0.25 arimidex more if I have high estrogen and do a blood test
Week 5: same
Week 6: same + 500IUs HCG (eod)
Week 7,8,9: same + blood test week 8
Week 10: same but 200 test e, 2IUs hgh
Week 11: same -25 nightly var
Week 12: 100 test, No hgh, 25 clomid, 1000 hcg, 0.25 arimidex, no var
Week 13: only 1000 hcg, 50 clomid
Week 14: same +blood test
Week 15: same but if bloods are bad maybe 1500 hcg
Week 18: either 500 or 1000 hcg 50 clomid
Week 19: 500 hcg 25 clomid
Week 20: same
Cycle complete.
Please give me advice and let me know what you think I know it’s a big read but please help. Thank you for your time

Start from anavar in week 1-8 to get gains faster.
Also you don’t need clomid, get rid of that shit.
And what happened in week 12? Why did you lower the test and got rid of the HGH

 

[Newday*V3]

Shit cycle and all this hastle for nothing, unnecessary mid way HCG usage, arimidex usage EOD too, nightly var, blood tests? for what reason your cycle is basic

 

[Newday*V3]

Start from anavar in week 1-8 to get gains faster.
Also you don’t need clomid, get rid of that shit.
And what happened in week 12? Why did you lower the test and got rid of the HGH

yeah dunno why clomid is there

 

[luke_]

toss out the clomid at the start @
& looks good to me

Ok why? And should I use clomid at all and when?

 

[luke_]

Start from anavar in week 1-8 to get gains faster.
Also you don’t need clomid, get rid of that shit.
And what happened in week 12? Why did you lower the test and got rid of the HGH

Is clomid really shitty? I thought is was pretty good for maintaining fertility? And lowering test and hgh slowly will allow my body to recalibrate slowly without getting thrown into the deep end. Is this wrong?

 

[Copercel]

Is clomid really shitty? I thought is was pretty good for maintaining fertility? And lowering test and hgh slowly will allow my body to recalibrate slowly without getting thrown into the deep end. Is this wrong?

Yes this is wrong. Clokid is shit, your “fertility” will go back to normal after a month don’t worry.
At 250 mg you don’t even need to lower the dose, the dose is already low asf.

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Ok why? And should I use clomid at all and when?

use clomid with hcg post cycle after the gear clears out

 

[luke_]

Shit cycle and all this hastle for nothing, unnecessary mid way HCG usage, arimidex usage EOD too, nightly var, blood tests? for what reason your cycle is basic

So only use hcg after stopping androgenic shit? Not trying to be rude but the grammar here is awful, can you explain a bit please?

 

[luke_]

Yes this is wrong. Clokid is shit, your “fertility” will go back to normal after a month don’t worry.
At 250 mg you don’t even need to lower the dose, the dose is already low asf.

So just take 300 for all 12 weeks and it’ll be ok? What about hcg use?

 

[luke_]

use clomid with hcg post cycle after the gear clears out

Ok thank you

 

[Newday*V3]

So only use hcg after stopping androgenic shit? Not trying to be rude but the grammar here is awful, can you explain a bit please?

Ok, don't PCT, blast and cruise and use HCG to infinitely resurrect your balls during the whole thing, your balls don't need HCG until around month 6 of roiding where they will gradually suffer permanent damage if you don't use it, doing a short cycle and PCT'ing is terrible for you genuinely

If you just basically take test, and your blasts being a ton of compounds or maybe a higher T dose with additional compounds lasting like 2-3 months, then to ease yourself up you just take a normal dose of T, then next time you can do the same blast again or do a cruise cycle if you want with long-term roids (Equipose, Deca, etc), that's actually how you roid, and finally when you think you have done enough after like a year or maybe 3, then you can do one PCT, just one to recover all that roiding, and no you won't be damaged in the balls since you cycled HCG after month 6, one PCT for years of roiding, vs one PCT and maybe more for like a few months of roiding, PCT is worse for your body to go through, so squeeze as much results as possible before PCT'ing

 

[Newday*V3]

and honestly this is like a cruise cycle, it's not blast, every time you first start roiding you should blast to take advantage of your balls being healthy

 

[luke_]

and honestly this is like a cruise cycle, it's not blast, every time you first start roiding you should blast to take advantage of your balls being healthy

Amazing thank you for your help. Like 400 test 50 var 4 hgh and 0.25 arimidex would be fine for 12 weeks no easing off and no pct?

 

[Newday*V3]

Amazing thank you for your help. Like 400 test 50 var 4 hgh and 0.25 arimidex would be fine for 12 weeks no easing off and no pct?

the cycle is still terrible, this won't build mass this is more for someone who is already muscular, this is like a cruise cycle with an oral essentially, and don't use arimidex please use aromasin

I'd recommend

500mg Test
If you are high IQ try out 400mg Tren, see if you respond well, if you do take it
100-200 mast E or prop a week for SGHB
You can add your anavar since it's light on the liver
4 IU GH
Lantus Insulin 20IU
25mcg T3 (important, tren ruins thyroid)

Protocols

Prolactin control which is important: 200mg p5p every day, proper zinc consumption
Aromasin 6.25mg only when feeling estrogen sides
Blood pressure meds if needed like propanalol, chodinine
High carb intake 400-500g (dont do this and you will get 0)

 

[luke_]

the cycle is still terrible, this won't build mass this is more for someone who is already muscular, this is like a cruise cycle with an oral essentially, and don't use arimidex please use aromasin

I'd recommend

500mg Test
If you are high IQ try out 400mg Tren, see if you respond well, if you do take it
100-200 mast E or prop a week for SGHB
You can add your anavar since it's light on the liver
4 IU GH
Lantus Insulin 20IU
25mcg T3 (important, tren ruins thyroid)

Protocols

Prolactin control which is important: 200mg p5p every day, proper zinc consumption
Aromasin 6.25mg only when feeling estrogen sides
Blood pressure meds if needed like propanalol, chodinine
High carb intake 400-500g (dont do this and you will get 0)

400 tren i dont want a potentially risky cycle for my first one or maybe at all because of my balls shut down I will probably kill myself. What does Lantus insulin do? And why so much aromasin? and why aromasin over the slightly safer non permanent arimidex?

 

[Newday*V3]

400 tren i dont want a potentially risky cycle for my first one or maybe at all because of my balls shut down I will probably kill myself. What does Lantus insulin do? And why so much aromasin? and why aromasin over the slightly safer non permanent arimidex?

You know your balls have a lifespan of 6 months before completely shutting down either way, suppression does not matter, even your little anavar and test will maximally suppress you already. Insulin is synergetic for IGF-1 production with the GH, also shuttles nutrients into cells, 6.25mg of aromasin is not so much lmao that's the minimum dose. Arimidex is not safer whoever told you that is lying, Aromasin is the best AI because it's a suicidal inhibitor meaning 0 estrogen rebound once you hop off, also less harsh on your lipids compared to arimidex, genuinely what are roiders on this forum smoking

 

[luke_]

You know your balls have a lifespan of 6 months before completely shutting down either way, suppression does not matter, even your little anavar and test will maximally suppress you already. Insulin is synergetic for IGF-1 production with the GH, also shuttles nutrients into cells, 6.25mg of aromasin is not so much lmao that's the minimum dose. Arimidex is not safer whoever told you that is lying, Aromasin is the best AI because it's a suicidal inhibitor meaning 0 estrogen rebound once you hop off, also less harsh on your lipids compared to arimidex, genuinely what are roiders on this forum smoking

I’ll do some research but from what roiders here have said is that aromasin just nukes all e2 potentially permanently which is bad so idk. Also is it worth it for me (check my latest thread please)

 

[Newday*V3]

I’ll do some research but from what roiders here have said is that aromasin just nukes all e2 potentially permanently which is bad so idk. Also is it worth it for me (check my latest thread please)

It’s a suicidal inhibitor, meaning it kills the enzymes, but the thing is the enzymes regenerate slowly after a week, so you will have a blunted estrogen increase with no rebound after you stop

 

[luke_]

the cycle is still terrible, this won't build mass this is more for someone who is already muscular, this is like a cruise cycle with an oral essentially, and don't use arimidex please use aromasin

I'd recommend

500mg Test
If you are high IQ try out 400mg Tren, see if you respond well, if you do take it
100-200 mast E or prop a week for SGHB
You can add your anavar since it's light on the liver
4 IU GH
Lantus Insulin 20IU
25mcg T3 (important, tren ruins thyroid)

Protocols

Prolactin control which is important: 200mg p5p every day, proper zinc consumption
Aromasin 6.25mg only when feeling estrogen sides
Blood pressure meds if needed like propanalol, chodinine
High carb intake 400-500g (dont do this and you will get 0)

Which protocols are needed without the tren and 200 mast e? And what is proper zinc consumption? Can I have too much?

 

[luke_]

the cycle is still terrible, this won't build mass this is more for someone who is already muscular, this is like a cruise cycle with an oral essentially, and don't use arimidex please use aromasin

I'd recommend

500mg Test
If you are high IQ try out 400mg Tren, see if you respond well, if you do take it
100-200 mast E or prop a week for SGHB
You can add your anavar since it's light on the liver
4 IU GH
Lantus Insulin 20IU
25mcg T3 (important, tren ruins thyroid)

Protocols

Prolactin control which is important: 200mg p5p every day, proper zinc consumption
Aromasin 6.25mg only when feeling estrogen sides
Blood pressure meds if needed like propanalol, chodinine
High carb intake 400-500g (dont do this and you will get 0)

How often for 200 mast e and Lantau insulin?

 

[Newday*V3]

How often for 200 mast e and Lantau insulin?

you can pin however ester you want, but enanthate lasts 3-4 days so twice a week or you pin daily small dosages or whatever plan you have

Lantus insulin is daily, highly recommend to pin at the same time everyday, avoid overlapping the half life with the other pin you did the day before

 

[luke_]

you can pin however ester you want, but enanthate lasts 3-4 days so twice a week or you pin daily small dosages or whatever plan you have

Lantus insulin is daily, highly recommend to pin at the same time everyday, avoid overlapping the half life with the other pin you did the day before

Do I take the insulin at the same time as hgh or what? Do I need the t3 if I’m not doing tren?

 

[Newday*V3]

Do I take the insulin at the same time as hgh or what? Do I need the t3 if I’m not doing tren?

take insulin early in the day before GH
and yes you do need T3 with tren

 

[luke_]

take insulin early in the day before GH
and yes you do need T3 with tren

Thank you bro

 

[luke_]

take insulin early in the day before GH
and yes you do need T3 with tren

How do I even get lantus insulin? In Uk it’s regulated (prescription only) what are the alternatives?

 

[Newday*V3]

How do I even get lantus insulin? In Uk it’s regulated (prescription only) what are the alternatives?

Bgpharmadrugs? SSA?

 

[luke_]

Bgpharmadrugs? SSA?

Have you bought from bgpharma and does their stuff work?

 

[MLGdoritoman]

BRO INSULIN????

What ur saying is way too fucking much. A first cycle should be 300mg test titrate up if okay to do so. This is fucking stupid.

 

[luke_]

BRO INSULIN????

What ur saying is way too fucking much. A first cycle should be 300mg test titrate up if okay to do so. This is fucking stupid.

Call it a day bro got to blast to see results

 

[flowiza]

I done quite a lot of research and have formed a plan for my first cycle, my main goal is to gain bone mass in the little time I may or may not have left and also to gain a nice amount of muscle. My only concern really is infertility because if I can’t reproduce why bother at all. Anyways please dissect the following cycle and give me any criticism or advice please.
Week 1: 250 test E (mon/thurs), 25 clomid (daily), 0.25 arimidex (EOD)
Week 2: same as previous
Week 3: same + 25 anavar (daily), 4IUs HGH (night,daily), test E from 250 to 300
Week 4: Same + 25 more var (1 pre workout, 1 night,daily) maybe 0.25 arimidex more if I have high estrogen and do a blood test
Week 5: same
Week 6: same + 500IUs HCG (eod)
Week 7,8,9: same + blood test week 8
Week 10: same but 200 test e, 2IUs hgh
Week 11: same -25 nightly var
Week 12: 100 test, No hgh, 25 clomid, 1000 hcg, 0.25 arimidex, no var
Week 13: only 1000 hcg, 50 clomid
Week 14: same +blood test
Week 15: same but if bloods are bad maybe 1500 hcg
Week 18: either 500 or 1000 hcg 50 clomid
Week 19: 500 hcg 25 clomid
Week 20: same
Cycle complete.
Please give me advice and let me know what you think I know it’s a big read but please help. Thank you for your time

why would u do clomid and arimidex lol arimidex is enough