first cycle advice Hgh and test

[bignoodles]

Whats up just wanna say I’m not the most knowledgeable in this stuff so sorry if what I’m saying makes no sense.

I’m 17, going to hop on 200mg/week test e and 4iu/day Hgh. I know these are small doses but it’s just gonna have to be that way. Going to be on test for 12 weeks and will continue using Hgh after.

Is PCT necessary for 200mg test(clomid, nolva, hcg)? This probably won’t be a one and done cycle but I’m not going to hop on again for a while. Also I hear a lot of mixed things about hcg with some saying that you need it while others say you don’t. I don’t really care if my balls shrink but I just want to stay fertile after the cycle.

I’m planning on having aromasin on hand in case I experience any high e2 sides, but apparently AIs can mess with brain development? That’s a big no for me so is there anyway to work around that?

I appreciate any advice .

 

[susisesi]

use looksmaxxing questions brah

 

[height pilled]

200mg aint even worth it don't bother

 

[Bishoplol]

200mg/week test e

full suppression for slightly elevated T, increase dose

4iu/day Hgh

better off pinning water, increase dose

Is PCT necessary

yes unless blast and cruise

Also I hear a lot of mixed things about hcg with some saying that you need it while others say you don’t.

short cycle, dont need it. just pct properly

AIs can mess with brain development

insignificantly

 

[Giorgio]

Also I hear a lot of mixed things about hcg with some saying that you need it while others say you don’t

you don't need it, and for a beginner, you won't be able to manage it
you want to have as little variables as possible, I tried HCG recently, and it fucked me up
the testes produce a lot of hormones, and you don't know how much of each you get, since it's genetic

the only benefit for HCG is preventing athropy, and backfilling your hormonal pathways, but you don't need to do that
if you want, or feel off, you can try oral prengenolone supplementation

This probably won’t be a one and done cycle but I’m not going to hop on again for a while

just stay on
200mg is a dose you can run for years, your entire life in fact, with near 0 sides
you will also not build all that much muscle, since the anabolic load is low

it's highly likely that even at 200 you will aromatize a lot, so you need to have AI on hand
or, alternatively, you can stack it with a compound that metabolizes into AI within the body, like EQ or primo
this will give you much more stable estrogen levels, dealing with oral AI like aromasin is difficult, since it's half life is so short, dosing is a pain in the ass

better off pinning water, increase dose

wrong, 4 or 5 UI is a single dose is pretty much the higest you can go, before you hit the point of diminishing returns
just do 4UI before sleep, after training, and you're golden

 

[CertifiedGoy]

4 or 5 UI is a single dose is pretty much the higest you can go, before you hit the point of diminishing returns

No. Bodybuilders do up to 10iu in a single pin 3x a day

 

[Bishoplol]

wrong, 4 or 5 UI is a single dose is pretty much the higest you can go, before you hit the point of diminishing returns
just do 4UI before sleep, after training, and you're golden

they treat pre-pubescent kids with GH deficiencies with higher dosages than this. if doctors can use higher than 5, an org user can go up to 10 IU per day with no issues

 

[Giorgio]

No. Bodybuilders do up to 10iu in a single pin 3x a day

and is that good? most efficient way to do it?
and are you sure that they all do it? all of them are educated equally?

there's a limit to how much igf1 your body can synthetize from any given dose of GH, you can even test it yourself
many have tested this already

Todd Lee says that 4UI in a single pin maxes out the IGF1 production
just throw this question into AI dude

 

[Giorgio]

they treat pre-pubescent kids with GH deficiencies with higher dosages than this. if doctors can use higher than 5, an org user can go up to 10 IU per day with no issues

For bodybuilding purposes, most users find that 2-4 IU per single injection offers the best balance of effectiveness and efficiency when taken before bed.
Here's the practical breakdown:

Optimal single dose range:

• 2-3 IU: Most common and efficient for most users. Good fat loss and recovery benefits with minimal side effects
• 4 IU: Upper limit where you still get good efficiency before significant diminishing returns kick in
• 5+ IU: Beyond this in a single pin, you start seeing proportionally less benefit per IU due to receptor saturation

Why there's a ceiling:

• GH receptors can become saturated, meaning more hormone doesn't necessarily mean more effect
• Higher single doses increase side effect risk (water retention, carpal tunnel, blood sugar issues) without proportional benefits
• The body has limits on how much it can effectively utilize at once

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

200 mg is barely anything 500 minimum it may seem like much but its a beginner dose. Imo you shouldnt pct just blast and Cruise or Cruise beetween cycles on trt then pct once you stop roids completly since pct drugs are horrible for you its litteraly anti cancer meds
Imo you shouldnt use pharmas your knowledge is too limited you will take too many risks research for a bit then you can run them safely