First Cycle Feedback (Revised)

[redskies42]

Spoiler: Initial thread

188cm, 180lbs, 17%bf, 28yo

goal = gain 20 pounds lean mass over 16 wks, hopefully keep more than 50% after pct
Yes pct, I understand the "pct is cope" mentality but im not looking to bnc just yet.
Conservative cycle, minimum effictive dose mentality, single anabolic compound

Bloodwork Pre (LH, FSH, Prolactin, Test, shbg)
Bloodwork 4 wks post PCT
No sensitive E2 test ($$$)

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Cycle (16 weeks)
wk 1-3 - Test E 250mg/wk, EOD subq
wk 4-6 - Test E 350mg/wk, EOD subq
wk 7-16 - Test E 500mg/wk, EOD subq
wk 13-15 - Hcg 500iu/wk, EOD im
wk 16-18 - Hcg 500iu/wk, E3D im

Aromasin - on hand, 6.25-12.5mg EOD, only if symptoms of elevated e2
Nolvadex - on hand, as a last resort if gyno, 20mg ED
Finasteride - on hand, if shedding, lowers scalp dht within days

note: I want to start w a lose dose to see how my body reacts and to get familiar with pinning. Less oil probably means easier.
Hcg to increase chances of a speedy recovery. Possibly will run hcg for 16wks @ 250iu EOD instead of 6 weeks @500iu EOD.
Feedback on hcg dose/timeframe appreciated.

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PCT (6 weeks, Starting 2 weeks after last pin)
wk 1-4 - Enclomiphene 6.25ml EOD
wk 5-6 - Enclomiphene 6.25ml E3D

note: I know this is a rather low enclo dose, goal is to mitigate potential eye issues, which still exist w enclo.
Can always use more if needed.

Will also have nolva on hand, but research says combining serms can be counterproductive.
Feedback/input wellcome.

Thank you to @aids and others for the feedback on first thread.

Decided to switch to test P instead of E and pin ED in order to mitigate E2 fluctuations and faster saturation/clearance.
Decided to switch to Dut instead of Fin

After more research I came to the conclusion that hopping on a bulking cycle @ 17% bf would probably not be the best course of action.
I thought that I could *maybe* get away with starting the cycle in May look good throughout summer. This would be possible but suboptimal because I would be leaving many gains on the table, since I would be focused on cutting and not mass gain. Also 500 Test bloat is inevitable and a surplus is needed to get the most out of the cycle. Stalked @Chad comments, thank you.

In order to look good for summer and actually gain lean mass on the "blast" I thought of a new approach, which is basically a BnC but in reverse.
I guess a small cycle followed by a blast.

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New approach:

"Cruise"
- May to August (16 wks)
- Low dose Test P (200-250mg/wk) + Reta for 16 wks
- goal: look good for summer, mild gains and cut down to sub 12% bf for "blast"
(I know this can be done natty but I dont want to nuke my natty levels and feel like shit all summer)

"Blast"
- September to November (12wks)
- Test P (500mg/wk) for another 12wks
- goal: put on alot of lean mass while on a moderate surplus, as bloat and aesthetics wont matter as much during this timeframe.

I could extend the blast to 16 wks but that would mean i'd be on for 32 wks total.
Would doubling exposure duration pose any additional risk?

I am still planning to come off after this cycle, so Hcg on cycle and sometime after, enclo later as well if symptoms of low T.
Hopefully I am back on my feet quickly.

Anything wrong with this approach?
(Apart from PCT instead of cruise)

Feedback greatly appreciated.

 

[vi24v_]

U should run 600mg/wk of test p when blasting

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Sounds good you could add slin+hgh to bulk if you dont mind doing some research but its not a must

 

[Boosie’s_Build]

Add var for the first 4 weeks to max out gains. I think you should do a mini bulk and then recomp. Idk exactly what ur goals are but. Adding a low toxicity sarm or roid could be really helpful. I have a same guild explaining some helpful thing in this if you want.

 

[Aromasin]

If you’d start a blast rn till the beginning of summer you could run an 18 week cycle and then hop on trt. Wouldn’t that be the best solution?

 

[redskies42]

If you’d start a blast rn till the beginning of summer you could run an 18 week cycle and then hop on trt. Wouldn’t that be the best solution?

Dont wanna be bloated af for summer, also others have mentionned that you should be low bf% for blast to mitigate e2 conv. I get the trt philosophy it makes sense, but I don't think its right for me yet, maybe when I turn 35+. My lvls are 750 ng/dl so IF i get back to baseline I should be good for some time.

 

[redskies42]

Add var for the first 4 weeks to max out gains. I think you should do a mini bulk and then recomp. Idk exactly what ur goals are but. Adding a low toxicity sarm or roid could be really helpful. I have a same guild explaining some helpful thing in this if you want.

Lean out for summer and get ready for blast in september. If anything var towards the end of summer instead nah? That way I have only one compound in my system, if everything good maybe add var later

 

[redskies42]

Sounds good you could add slin+hgh to bulk if you dont mind doing some research but its not a must

Thanks for the input. Do you have any experience with pct?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Thanks for the input. Do you have any experience with pct?

Just use Hcg towards the end and after for a bit

 

[James holder]

IGnore this post it posted to the wrong thread