For most people, game/frame is undoubtedly the biggest factor in whether you will have a good sex life

[Deleted member 4044]

Ok, if you are so hideous that you can't get to 4/10,

Or you are so good looking that you are naturally 8/10,

Fine, looks are most important.

For guys between 4/10 and 7.5/10, your frame/game/attitude will be the biggest factor of whether you have a good sex life over your life, or spend most of your life alone and rotting.

 

[mogstar]

COPE

 

[WadlowMaxxing]

COPE

let me guess, you're 6'3 and it doesn't matter?

 

[Deleted member 4044]

COPE

It's not cope dude, take it from a 32 year old who has seen some shit.

It is actually pretty bad news, because personality is far harder to change than looks. Especially the older you get.

You need to have a radical change in EVERYTHING, to change your game/frame/personality.

 

[mogstar]

It's not cope dude, take it from a 32 year old who has seen some shit.

It is actually pretty bad news, because personality is far harder to change than looks. Especially the older you get.

You need to have a radical change in EVERYTHING, to change your game/frame/personality.

My face is below average, my frame is very bad an my game is bad because I’m low self esteem and not NT, I agree with you to some extent man but a 7.5/10 guy and a 4/10 guy won’t have similar sex lives

 

[Merćer]

Ok, if you are so hideous that you can't get to 4/10,

Or you are so good looking that you are naturally 8/10,

Fine, looks are most important.

For guys between 4/10 and 7.5/10, your frame/game/attitude will be the biggest factor of whether you have a good sex life over your life, or spend most of your life alone and rotting.

What you mean frame, the clavicles or the redpill bullshit?

 

[Deleted member 4044]

a 7.5/10 guy and a 4/10 guy won’t have similar sex lives

I agree with that, but being able to get a decent looking woman on your dick is an important thing

I had sex 3 weeks ago and felt normal for 2 weeks

Now I'm drifting away like a rotter.

If i can get the game to do that every couple weeks, my life will be so much better.

I'm about a 5/10

 

[mogstar]

I agree with that, but being able to get a decent looking woman on your dick is an important thing

I had sex 3 weeks ago and felt normal for 2 weeks

Now I'm drifting away like a rotter.

If i can get the game to do that every couple weeks, my life will be so much better.

I'm about a 5/10

Nice man, I’m happy for you, 5/10 guys are fine, sub 5 are fucked tho

 

[Rabbi]

Nice man, I’m happy for you, 5/10 guys are fine, sub 5 are fucked tho

Any man further than NW1.5 has 0 sex

 

[Deleted member 4044]

Any man further than NW1.5 has 0 sex

I think your problem is ur in NZ bro. Women have very high standards there

You gotta go where there are less Anglobitches

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Bro I'm chadlite but I get rejected by landwhales what do?

 

[Deleted member 4044]

Bro I'm chadlite but I get rejected by landwhales what do?

Just accept that the game is tough for any sub 8 man, but go out and get some.

Accept the sexual marketplace and go out and create a lot of opportunities

Don't let negativity get in your mind

 

[mogstar]

Any man further than NW1.5 has 0 sex

Cope u have great bones, also I’m nw 0 and here

 

[Rabbi]

I think your problem is ur in NZ bro. Women have very high standards there

You gotta go where there are less Anglobitches

Anglo sphere is brutal tbh

 

[Deleted member 4887]

My game and personality are good depending on the country im in

 

[Favela_cake]

Ok, if you are so hideous that you can't get to 4/10,

Or you are so good looking that you are naturally 8/10,

Fine, looks are most important.

For guys between 4/10 and 7.5/10, your frame/game/attitude will be the biggest factor of whether you have a good sex life over your life, or spend most of your life alone and rotting.

It makes sense honestly. Woman these days can have any thing they want. They can always get someone taller, richer, with a bigger dick than you; they just need to go on tinder for a couple of hours, that's it.
Frame being your perception of reality actually is the only thing woman can't have

 

[Deleted member 4044]

Anglo sphere is brutal tbh

Unless you're mirin2234 level looks or 6ft plus, anglo women are a waste of time to go for as an ethnic.

I focus on Asian, brown and black women

 

[Deleted member 275]

40% of men are below PSL4. Looks is their biggest problem for their sexlife.

20% of men are PSL5 or higher. They will have a decent sexlife no matter what their personality is.

Game is only a deciding factor for that 40% of men that are somewhat average or slightly above average looking. And even then I think those men are better of looksmaxing to 5PSL than getting 'game' 'personality'

 

[Deleted member 4044]

40% of men are below PSL4. Looks is their biggest problem for their sexlife.

20% of men are PSL5 or higher. They will have a decent sexlife no matter what their personality is.

Game is only a deciding factor for that 40% of men that are somewhat average or slightly above average looking. And even then I think those men are better of looksmaxing to 5PSL than getting 'game' 'personality'

Psl is stupid shit made up by incels.

Sure some of it is obvious (jaw, nice eyes etc) but it is likely not the biggest factor in a guy's sex life

 

[Deleted member 275]

Psl is stupid shit made up by incels.

Sure some of it is obvious (jaw, nice eyes etc) but it is likely not the biggest factor in a guy's sex life

Tales from an aspie with 0 life experience. Looks is easily the biggest factor in a guy's sex-life and anyone that doesn't rot in their basement all day knows this.

Physical Attractiveness is the Strongest Predictor of Initial Romantic Interest in Both Sexes; No Evidence Male Personality Plays Any Role for Women (Luo & Zhang, 2009)

 

[Deleted member 3512]

It's not cope dude, take it from a 32 year old who has seen some shit.

it's a lost cause, let them into their bubble

 

[eduardkoopman]

For guys between 4/10 and 7.5/10, your frame/game/attitude will be the biggest factor of whether you have a good sex life over your life, or spend most of your life alone and rotting.

frame, as in gymmaxed body and having a good wide frame. I agree.

"game". Define game? it's such a vague term for me

 

[Deleted member 2527]

Frame-game theory?

 

[Deleted member 756]

Game is determined by your face however

 

[Deleted member 5927]

My issue unironically is game. If you look good girls still expect you to approach. And for social situations and LTR they always want a dude who is dominant and shit. If you are quiet and retarded they ain’t gonna carry that shit. There’s plenty of other dudes they can go for.

 

[Deleted member 275]

My issue unironically is game. If you look good girls still expect you to approach. And for social situations and LTR they always want a dude who is dominant and shit. If you are quiet and retarded they ain’t gonna carry that shit. There’s plenty of other dudes they can go for.

Nah it's cope. With good looks you will never be an incel. Sure maybe youre not getting the quality girls you want or you dont slay like mad, but you will always have some success.

If you are KHHV into your twenties, it's very likely you are below-average looking. Being socially reserved/weird would still leave you plenty of opportunity atleast to lose your khhv status if atleast avg looking. By just going to school, the natural flow of life, etc.

It's easy. No succes at all with women? Your looks are the problem.

Want more succes, better quality girls, etc.? Game/personality matters.

 

[Deleted member 5818]

my problem is motivation tbh, I can speak to women with relative ease and make conversations fun and flirty, but i just don't care enough to do it

 

[Deleted member 11053]

Basically dont be a retard

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

40% of men are below PSL4. Looks is their biggest problem for their sexlife.

20% of men are PSL5 or higher. They will have a decent sexlife no matter what their personality is.

Game is only a deciding factor for that 40% of men that are somewhat average or slightly above average looking. And even then I think those men are better of looksmaxing to 5PSL than getting 'game' 'personality'

I know someone who is close to PSL 6 irl. He was KHHV until 22. Or so he claims...

 

[Deleted member 275]

I know someone who is close to PSL 6 irl. He was KHHV until 22. Or so he claims...

He was by choice then

 

[Deleted member 2100]

Tes bro jestermax to get pussy once a year while Chad gets pussy by walking into any party

 

[Deathrasher42]

Tes bro jestermax to get pussy once a year while Chad gets pussy by walking into any party

Even Chad has to jester around to entertain foids away from his *equally Chaddy competition.


Tbh, I'm not entirely against PUA (hell, I was a PUAcel back in 2015), but the PUA dudes seriously overestimate its effectiveness and not accounting looks much (face, frame, and height). Plus, the success of game is too anecdotal to make effective case studies over.