For those scared to start fin/dut

[svarddre]

If you’re scared to start, just wait until you get to Norwood 2. You wont be scared anymore

 

[Deleted member 114837]

hair is life, sadly.

 

[svarddre]

hair is life, sadly.

Took my Norwood 0 for granted jfl

 

[Deleted member 114837]

Took my Norwood 0 for granted jfl

I have subtle diffuse thinning. I took fin and minox for ages. Now i have chronical pelvic floor pain, and even sex hurts. But i still take fin hoping it will get away. That's how much i value hair. I wish we had others treatments.

 

[svarddre]

I have subtle diffuse thinning. I took fin and minox for ages. Now i have chronical pelvic floor pain, and even sex hurts. But i still take fin hoping it will get away. That's how much i value hair. I wish we had others treatments.

Yeah, luckily for you diffuse thinners get better results on fin. My hair is still thick but I’m nw2, my hairline is cooked until ht unfortunately

 

[Deleted member 91663]

If you’re scared to start, just wait until you get to Norwood 2. You wont be scared anymore

Norwood 2 isn't even bad.

 

[svarddre]

Norwood 2 isn't even bad.

True but my Norwood 2 is telling me my life is over. Also I’m only 23 so it’s 5ari or baldcel by 28

 

[Deleted member 91663]

True but my Norwood 2 is telling me my life is over. Also I’m only 23 so it’s 5ari or baldcel by 28

It depends. There's a difference between a bit of hairline recession and maintaining good overall density vs temples + vertex.

 

[Angutoid]

Dihydrotestosterone is the active androgen in the maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erection in the rat - PubMed

Androgens are essential for the expression of normal libido in the male, but their role in the maintenance of the erectile response in humans is controversial. It has been shown previously in the rat that castration induces 1) loss of penile reflexes; and 2) considerable reduction in the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

guess how human males dicks also work
Nitric oxide (NO) is believed to be the main vasoactive nonadrenergic, noncholinergic neurotransmitter and chemical mediator of penile erection.

 

[svarddre]

Dihydrotestosterone is the active androgen in the maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erection in the rat - PubMed

Androgens are essential for the expression of normal libido in the male, but their role in the maintenance of the erectile response in humans is controversial. It has been shown previously in the rat that castration induces 1) loss of penile reflexes; and 2) considerable reduction in the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

guess how human males dicks also work
Nitric oxide (NO) is believed to be the main vasoactive nonadrenergic, noncholinergic neurotransmitter and chemical mediator of penile erection.

“Guess how human males dicks work” then posts a rat study fucking retard daily cialis exists

 

[Angutoid]

“Guess how human males dicks work” then posts a rat study fucking retard daily cialis exists

Dihydrotestosterone is the active androgen in the maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erection in the rat​

and the one below is about HUMANS
Nitric oxide (NO) is believed to be the main vasoactive nonadrenergic, noncholinergic neurotransmitter and chemical mediator of penile erection.
do you need a more ape-like explanation?

 

[svarddre]

Dihydrotestosterone is the active androgen in the maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erection in the rat​

and the one below is about HUMANS
Nitric oxide (NO) is believed to be the main vasoactive nonadrenergic, noncholinergic neurotransmitter and chemical mediator of penile erection.
do you need a more ape-like explanation?

Not a molecule + tadalafil

 

[Angutoid]

Not a molecule + tadalafil

you wouldnt understand even if u read it no worries
not that its complex but everything you say screams how subpar you are

 

[svarddre]

you wouldnt understand even if u read it no worries
not that its complex but everything you say screams how subpar you are

Subpar is not being able to get an erection while suppressing dht. I’m assuming that’s your low androgen ethnic self

 

[2marc1]

you wouldnt understand even if u read it no worries
not that its complex but everything you say screams how subpar you are

what if i just do a low dose of fin just to bring my dht levels to average levels when im not balding
(im on steroids, tren)

 

[superpsycho]

why would i be scared

 

[Angutoid]

Subpar is not being able to get an erection while suppressing dht. I’m assuming that’s your low androgen ethnic self

im not on the troon drugs youre on you could make this inference from the things i said easily if u werent so subpar

what if i just do a low dose of fin just to bring my dht levels to average levels when im not balding
(im on steroids, tren)

not nuking is fine but not nuking doesnt prevent balding for most thats the problem
so you individually might get away with it

 

[svarddre]

you wouldnt understand even if u read it no worries
not that its complex but everything you say screams how subpar you are

I won’t sit here and act like what you sent is false, but there are ways to boost your NO, cialis obv and even beetroot. Hair is life, especially with my skull shape - if I have to take another pill to combat what having low dht does then so be it.

 

[Angutoid]

I won’t sit here and act like what you sent is false, but there are ways to boost your NO, cialis obv and even beetroot. Hair is life, especially with my skull shape - if I have to take another pill to combat what having low dht does then so be it.

YOU COULDA SAID THIS IN THE BEGINNING INSTEAD OF SHITTING ON THE WHOLE FUCKING ARGUMENT

 

[svarddre]

YOU COULDA SAID THIS IN THE BEGINNING INSTEAD OF SHITTING ON THE WHOLE FUCKING ARGUMENT

Shitposting is fun sometimes

 

[svarddre]

It depends. There's a difference between a bit of hairline recession and maintaining good overall density vs temples + vertex.

Yeah my density is fine and my hair is long so I can still get away with frauding, but fuck it sucks

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Yeah my density is fine and my hair is long so I can still get away with frauding, but fuck it sucks

If you're father is NW3+ with vertex then there's a good chance (not a guarantee) that you will go the same way at some point.
Start now and prepare for the worst.

 

[nuisance]

If you’re scared to start, just wait until you get to Norwood 2. You wont be scared anymore

yeah this was me, i hit nw2 and wasnt scared anymore. Then my libido disapeared and my dick went limp 5 months later

 

[nuisance]

If you're father is NW3+ with vertex then there's a good chance (not a guarantee) that you will go the same way at some point.
Start now and prepare for the worst.

So im 21, probally around a nw2.5, my dad was nw3 at 35, grandpa nw4 at 30 .

I seem to be thinning into a nw3 it seems because it keeps going, do you think most likley I have my grandpas genes

 

[Deleted member 91663]

So im 21, probally around a nw2.5, my dad was nw3 at 35, grandpa nw4 at 30 .

I seem to be thinning into a nw3 it seems because it keeps going, do you think most likley I have my grandpas genes

I can't say for certain but I'd assume NW3+, yes.
The trajectory sounds right.

 

[nuisance]

Not a molecule + tadalafil

tadalafil doesnt give you libido

 

[iblamemandible7]

Hair is life

If you notice recession and choose not to treat it youre not a looksmaxer

 

[wollet2]

if u cant handle some balding u must be subhuman anyway so why risk it for nothing

 

[nuisance]

I can't say for certain but I'd assume NW3+, yes.
The trajectory sounds right.

I pray I have my dads genes, he has a dense nw3 no vertex thinning stabilized at 30 easily savable with a HT. If I have my grandpas genes im fucked, all ik is my hair line is still goin and its stressing me tf out.

 

[Deleted member 91663]

I pray I have my dads genes, he has a dense nw3 no vertex thinning stabilized at 30 easily savable with a HT. If I have my grandpas genes im fucked, all ik is my hair line is still goin and its stressing me tf out.

As I said, I can't say for certain and I haven't seen you hair.
Didn't want to stress you out.
Just take preventative steps now and you likely won't have to worry about it for many years.

 

[nuisance]

As I said, I can't say for certain and I haven't seen you hair.
Didn't want to stress you out.
Just take preventative steps now and you likely won't have to worry about it for many years.

Fin gives me gyno and nip pain constantly no matter the dosage topical or oral, I tried to push through it but after 5 months I ended up with sexual sides aswell so I stopped and they went away. Just riding it out with minox atp

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Fin gives me gyno and nip pain constantly no matter the dosage topical or oral, I tried to push through it but after 5 months I ended up with sexual sides aswell so I stopped and they went away. Just riding it out with minox atp

Without a 5ar inhibitor, you're not addressing the underlying cause unfortunately.
Well, good luck. Hopefully, you stabilzse at an NW3.

 

[Meteor21]

Only thing you should be dubious of is oral minoxidil

 

[nuisance]

Without a 5ar inhibitor, you're not addressing the underlying cause unfortunately.
Well, good luck. Hopefully, you stabilzse at an NW3.

What do you think about androgen receptor blockers like RU?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

What do you think about androgen receptor blockers like RU?

I haven't used it myself. It's obviously an experimental treatment but the mechanism of RU is well understood and documented.
Might be worth a try if you're comfortable with a higher risk profile. Can't say.

 

[Hexmask]

Unfortunate to have to end up on 5ar inhibitors but hair is life

 

[nuisance]

I haven't used it myself. It's obviously an experimental treatment but the mechanism of RU is well understood and documented.
Might be worth a try if you're comfortable with a higher risk profile. Can't say.

Might look into it, and then one last thing. You yourself, id assume or on fin and dut did you notice any affect on libido, even if its not significant enough to worry about?

Might try them again, my skin was clear, hair less oily, and seb derm disapeared while on fin aswell

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Might look into it, and then one last thing. You yourself, id assume or on fin and dut did you notice any affect on libido, even if its not significant enough to worry about?

I haven't noticed any change in libido, no. I accept it's a real thing though.
Many experience some temporary effects like this for a few months before things go back to normal.

 

[svarddre]

yeah this was me, i hit nw2 and wasnt scared anymore. Then my libido disapeared and my dick went limp 5 months later

How long did it take you to recover

 

[nuisance]

How long did it take you to recover

morning wood came back after 3 months, libido still is a little weird 5 months later tbh but everything works and I am attracted to women. The last couple months on fin I would look at a naked woman and feel nothing i would have to legit rub my shit to get a stiffy.

 

[svarddre]

morning wood came back after 3 months, libido still is a little weird 5 months later tbh but everything works and I am attracted to women. The last couple months on fin I would look at a naked woman and feel nothing i would have to legit rub my shit to get a stiffy.

Did you ever try a topical or did you go straight to the 1mg a day

 

[svarddre]

morning wood came back after 3 months, libido still is a little weird 5 months later tbh but everything works and I am attracted to women. The last couple months on fin I would look at a naked woman and feel nothing i would have to legit rub my shit to get a stiffy.

My bad I just saw your other comment saying you tried a topical, and to your question about RU - I tried it, definitely feel like it worked but I noticed shortness of breath about a month into use so I discontinued.

 

[nuisance]

Did you ever try a topical or did you go straight to the 1mg a day

over the course of 2024 I tried 0.25mg oral first, next day woke up nipples were burning, went lower didnt help, went topical 0.1% still same problem, then 0.05% still had the same problem but tolerable so I stuck with that one. I only applied barley so there was probably 0.1-0.2mg on my scalp topically daily.

Nips would be swollen and gyno grew a tiny bit over the course of 6 months.

Then after 5 months I lost morning wood and libido, I think i was losing it the whole time slowly but after 5 months thats when it started affecting me sexually.

Nevertheless, something is definently wrong with me, my estradiol was in range though testosterone is in the 800s. Im just one of the people who literally cant use it.

 

[svarddre]

over the course of 2024 I tried 0.25mg oral first, next day woke up nipples were burning, went lower didnt help, went topical 0.1% still same problem, then 0.05% still had the same problem but tolerable so I stuck with that one. I only applied barley so there was probably 0.1-0.2mg on my scalp topically daily.

Nips would be swollen and gyno grew a tiny bit over the course of 6 months.

Then after 5 months I lost morning wood and libido, I think i was losing it the whole time slowly but after 5 months thats when it started affecting me sexually.

Nevertheless, something is definently wrong with me, my estradiol was in range though testosterone is in the 800s. Im just one of the people who literally cant use it.

You could look into topical dut - there’s that broscience idea that the molecular weight is too heavy to be absorbed but light enough to occupy the follicle. Plus some people report no sides from dut even when they did with fin. If all else fails then hair system

 

[slaters]

If you’re scared to start, just wait until you get to Norwood 2. You wont be scared anymore

I have the same hairline as I did at 12 but ima start microdosing fin soon then slowly up the dose as I get older

 

[slaters]

over the course of 2024 I tried 0.25mg oral first, next day woke up nipples were burning, went lower didnt help, went topical 0.1% still same problem, then 0.05% still had the same problem but tolerable so I stuck with that one. I only applied barley so there was probably 0.1-0.2mg on my scalp topically daily.

Nips would be swollen and gyno grew a tiny bit over the course of 6 months.

Then after 5 months I lost morning wood and libido, I think i was losing it the whole time slowly but after 5 months thats when it started affecting me sexually.

Nevertheless, something is definently wrong with me, my estradiol was in range though testosterone is in the 800s. Im just one of the people who literally cant use it.

Try ghk cu subQ and topical + minox
I’ve seen some anecdotes of ghk cu working it doesn’t hurt to try
Worst case you’ll have good collagen

 

[nuisance]

You could look into topical dut - there’s that broscience idea that the molecular weight is too heavy to be absorbed but light enough to occupy the follicle. Plus some people report no sides from dut even when they did with fin. If all else fails then hair system

Ive looked into that but seems people with the gyno side effect still have problems with topical dut. Means it goes systemic. Also im not to happy with the new study showing that dutasteride has a pretty good possibility of causing permanent reduction of fertility.

Try ghk cu subQ and topical + minox
I’ve seen some anecdotes of ghk cu working it doesn’t hurt to try
Worst case you’ll have good collagen

Ive looked into ghk dont know if there is good evidence for hair, if anything mabye it strengthens it. Was debating on taking it anyways for antiaging.

 

[slaters]

Ive looked into that but seems people with the gyno side effect still have problems with topical dut. Means it goes systemic. Also im not to happy with the new study showing that dutasteride has a pretty good possibility of causing permanent reduction of fertility.

Ive looked into ghk dont know if there is good evidence for hair, if anything mabye it strengthens it. Was debating on taking it anyways for antiaging.

Check this guys YT

https://youtube.com/@kyle_bu?si=bRw-nu1A1JUOlrM3

Also this is an anecdote from GHK-Cu use

 

[Hexmask]

morning wood came back after 3 months, libido still is a little weird 5 months later tbh but everything works and I am attracted to women. The last couple months on fin I would look at a naked woman and feel nothing i would have to legit rub my shit to get a stiffy.

I took dutasteride last December been off just over 4 months now and still recovering my libido lol. Its so shit how it disappeared. It definitely got worse after I got off. But thankfully like I can still somewhat enjoy a goon sesh its just I don't get the same brain cravings/pleasure. So this really tells me im one of those people who probably got a reduction in neurosteroids somewhere. I have HCG on the way currently.

 

[nuisance]

I took dutasteride last December been off just over 4 months now and still recovering my libido lol. Its so shit how it disappeared. It definitely got worse after I got off. But thankfully like I can still somewhat enjoy a goon sesh its just I don't get the same brain cravings/pleasure. So this really tells me im one of those people who probably got a reduction in neurosteroids somewhere. I have HCG on the way currently.

For me it didnt get worse when i got off just stayed the same, slowly getting better. How long were you on it?

Yea thats how it feels, it took me longer to get a boner and that craving that makes yo dick throb and go animalistic were gone. I used to get boners just scrolling through instagram not anymore still to this day.