Forwardontics Bow -

[Smart_Adam]

Hi all,

I'm currently wearing Invisalign Vivera retainers, but I want to purchase the Forwardontics Bow. Purely for the aesthetic outcome.

Would I need upper AND lower hawley retainers or can I get away with wearing lower Viveras?

Cheers.

 

[goat2x]

if ur past 15 you will only pull the teeth forward not the maxilla

 

[Chadelite]

if ur past 15 you will only pull the teeth forward not the maxilla

and where is your proof?

 

[goat2x]

and where is your proof?

i asked @Sergio-OMS and he said it
the maxilla nearly fuses together 15 so after that you cant manipulate it that easily
you will just pull the alveolar bone forward

 

[Chadelite]

i asked @Sergio-OMS and he said it
the maxilla nearly fuses together 15 so after that you cant manipulate it that easily
you will just pull the alveolar bone forward

so ur saying @retard is coping?

and @CopeAndRope is turning in his grave

 

[Deleted member 6382]

and where is your proof?

ur literally pulling the teeth

 

[goat2x]

so ur saying @retard is coping?

and @CopeAndRope is turning in his grave

no, he uses that shitty dowden cope
i dont know about that
me and sergio dont think that it will work but cope or rope

 

[basedfedoracel]

 

[Smart_Adam]

Ah ok, so @Sergio-OMS is the man with the answers, potentially.

Good to know.

 

[Slyfex8]

If it's not anchored to MSE it's a waste of time, you will fuck your face.

It's MSE + Facepuller then if your face is still fucked, double jaw surgery.

 

[retard]

i asked @Sergio-OMS and he said it
the maxilla nearly fuses together 15 so after that you cant manipulate it that easily
you will just pull the alveolar bone forward

You only pull the alveolar bone forwards if you are using the teeth to, if it goes straight to the palate it avoids the periodontal ligament preventing any tooth shifting and prevents the inevitable absorption of force there, where going straight to the palate distributes a tensile force directly upon the sutures resulting in pure skeletal translation

If it's not anchored to MSE it's a waste of time, you will fuck your face.

It's MSE + Facepuller then if your face is still fucked, double jaw surgery.

mse isn’t even ideal for fping due to the centralized location of the implantation, ideally you want the force to be on the front of the palate, still good though

 

[goat2x]

You only pull the alveolar bone forwards if you are using the teeth to, if it goes straight to the palate it avoids the periodontal ligament preventing any tooth shifting and prevents the inevitable absorption of force there, where going straight to the palate distributes a tensile force directly upon the sutures resulting in pure skeletal translation

mse isn’t even ideal for fping due to the centralized location of the implantation, ideally you want the force to be on the front of the palate, still good though

sure buddy
an aspie scientist knows it better than a maxilofacial surgeon

 

[retard]

sure buddy
an aspie scientist knows it better than a maxilofacial surgeon

u don’t even have a counter arguement tbh but @Sergio-OMS isn’t wrong the sutures become too interdignated on older people for skeletal movement and primarily dentoalveolar compensation takes place, that’s why u don’t use the teeth

When you use the palate bone goes directly into the sutures to replicate a slow maxillary expansion of the midpalatal suture, which is proven to work in adults albeit slower, why would it be any different for the circummaxillary sutures which is what we are trying to expand with this, all craniofacial sutures consist of the same structure/makeup

 

[goat2x]

u don’t even have a counter arguement tbh but @Sergio-OMS isn’t wrong the sutures become too interdignated on older people for skeletal movement and primarily dentoalveolar compensation takes place, that’s why u don’t use the teeth

When you use the palate bone goes directly into the sutures to replicate a slow maxillary expansion of the midpalatal suture, which is proven to work in adults albeit slower, why would it be any different for the circummaxillary sutures which is what we are trying to expand with this, all craniofacial sutures consist of the same structure/makeup

i didnt because its a theory, the things you write are right but ive never seen a study or even a fucking restult from it lol
i talked about fp+ insvalingg not dowden anyways

 

[Smart_Adam]

Ok this is all interesting information, thanks everyone for your input.

What I want to achieve is all round forward facial growth - prominent brow ridge and maxilla, straighter nose, forward chin placement and a wider set jawline.

I'm new to the forum so I'm still trying to figure things out. Is face pulling headgear the best option or should I be looking at orthognathic surgery?

I've been mewing and practising myofunctional therapy regularly since January.

 

[Deleted member 3591]

Ok this is all interesting information, thanks everyone for your input.

What I want to achieve is all round forward facial growth - prominent brow ridge and maxilla, straighter nose, forward chin placement and a wider set jawline.

I'm new to the forum so I'm still trying to figure things out. Is face pulling headgear the best option or should I be looking at orthognathic surgery?

I've been mewing and practising myofunctional therapy regularly since January.

Whether your nose will get straighter or your browridge will come more forward is currently unknown, we can only hope...
Mandible is unlikely to remodel to the point you want it to be (forget about width with fp too)
But it works on the maxilla for sure and for everything else you can easily get surgery

 

[Smart_Adam]

Are fillers a viable option or are people against that on this forum? Just wondering because it seems like the most obvious and accessible choice but doesn't seem to be discussed much on here...