Frame>height if atleast 5‘8

[germanlooks]

Look at this brutal frame mog asserted from Jeff seid

of corse if the height difference is too huge it can be a different story.
But if these two would enter a club there is no way that the model would get more attention than Jeff seid (obv excluding Face because then Jeff seid would win either way)

 

[Deleted member 15827]

0 iq user tbh

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

he looks like a cave troll in that clip

 

[the BULL]

true, large frame is the ultimate dimorphic indicator. you can't have large frame without good prenatal t levels

 

[germanlooks]

he looks like a cave troll in that clip

Cope and he proves once again the importance of muscles as you can see by the reaction of the girls after he enters the runway shirtless

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Cope and he proves once again the importance of muscles as you can see by the reaction of the girls after he enters the runway shirtless

they were laughing at him and he wasn't even lean

he looks like a bodybuilder during bulk who forgot to cut down and then accidentally attended the wrong event

 

[germanlooks]

they were laughing at him and he wasn't even lean

Keep coping and staying a twink idc

 

[germanlooks]

0 iq user tbh

 

[Deleted member 4430]

guess ops insecurity that hides behind this projection

 

[the BULL]

complete cope, and i’m not biased because my bideltoid mogs my height

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you completely don't understand the difference between being buff and having long clavicles. some guys fit in xxl shirts while being dyel, it is what it is.

 

[Pendejo]

complete cope, and i’m not biased because my bideltoid mogs my height

Yeah idk why OP is coping like this when he is 6’3” or so

 

[Deleted member 16110]

Keep coping and staying a twink idc

isn't your goat edp?

why are you team gymcel now?

revert back to your old ways please

 

[germanlooks]

complete cope, and i’m not biased because my bideltoid mogs my height

The fact that you have both exactly shows me that you are biased.

Height alone means jack shit if you aren’t muscular and wide framed, speaking from personal and others experience.

No way that you seriously believe left overall body mogs here because he is taller

You could even add another 1-2 inch and he still would get mogged by seid

 

[BigBundaSlapper]

Guy on the left looks like a chad, non framecel version of zyros

 

[germanlooks]

isn't your goat edp?

why are you team gymcel now?

revert back to your old ways please

My goat is gymmaxxed edp

I was never anti gym. Of corse all the genetic shit matters more but gaining muscle is the easiest and strongest softmaxx everyone can do.

 

[germanlooks]

guess ops insecurity that hides behind this projection

Muh projection.

In comparison to basement dwellers like you I leave my home and with that know that height alone can’t save you if it isn’t combined with either a great physique or good looking face

 

[germanlooks]

he looks like a bodybuilder during bulk who forgot to cut down and then accidentally attended the wrong event

And still looks more aesthetic than 90% of leanmaxxed men

 

[alriodai]

dude on the left mogs, not because he is "taller" but because he is clearly not as muscular as jeff seid but his long straight clavicles and wide bideltoid (which are genetic) mogs jeff seid's to death, it looks more aesthetic and pleasing

any woman would choose the left guy body over the right one, body and frame and height wise only (not face)

 

[ropemax]

Cope

 

[germanlooks]

dude on the left mogs, not because he is "taller" but because he is clearly not as muscular as jeff seid but his long straight clavicles and wide bideltoid (which are genetic) mogs jeff seid's to death, it looks more aesthetic and pleasing

any woman would choose the left guy body over the right one, body and frame and height wise only (not face)

You can’t be serious. Left guys clavicles are barley above average if at all.
Seid has actual chad tier straight clavicles

Lean seids physique is peak appeal (coping women who say it’s too big would still choose him over a smaller guy)

 

[alriodai]

You can’t be serious. Left guys clavicles are barley above average if at all.
Seid has actual chad tier straight clavicles
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Lean seids physique is peak appeal (coping women who say it’s too big would still choose him over a smaller guy)

his body insertions on the right pic looks like shit

Trevor forgot his name will always have the best insertions ever

Even @loox got a better physique than Jeff Seid (personal opinion) because he got better insertions than him lol

 

[germanlooks]

in that comparison there is literally a bigger difference in bideltoid inches than in height inches, despite bideltoid having a standard deviation of 1-1.25” and height having a standard deviation of 2.75-3”

therefore it’s a completely unfair comparison

50th percentile height + 99th bideltoid (5’10 and 22” bideltoid) vs vice versa (6’5 and 19.5” bideltoid) the latter wins by a mile in both formidability and attractiveness

But it’s fair to compare a 8 inch height difference to a 2.5 inch bideltoid difference? Jfl
Who gives a shit about the standarts deviation what matters is who mogs when two man stand next to each other.
And if the height difference is 8 inches it’s obv that the one with the height mogs no shit sherlock

 

[johncruz12345]

complete cope, and i’m not biased because my bideltoid mogs my height

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Yeah, people don't care if your bideltoid is 2 inches wider when someone towers over you.

 

[Looks234]

Very bad take. Tall guys can get muscles, short guys can’t get taller.

 

[germanlooks]

Very bad take. Tall guys can get muscles, short guys can’t get taller.

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This post was meant about the direct comparison of two men at their current state.

That frame can get influenced/changed a lot easier than height is a different story

 

[Looks234]

This post was meant about the direct comparison of two men at their current state.

That frame can get influenced/changed a lot easier than height is a different story

Left mogs. Girls care about height more than body.

 

[MrGlutton]

did you know black eyes is better than blue eyes op?

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

5'9 Gymcelled ogre potato with big frame

vs

6'3 average-framed effortless prettyboy

You have to be deluded to think the gymcel gets even 0.0001% of the attention prime chico would have got if u had put them both in the same club.

 

[Deleted member 16453]

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5'9 Gymcelled ogre potato with big frame

vs

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6'3 average-framed effortless prettyboy

You have to be deluded to think the gymcel gets even 0.0001% of the attention prime chico would have got if u had put them both in the same club.

Clownery because most people of earth don’t have Chico face and height wtf. Of course he mogs. That’s like me saying that filet mignon at a 5 star restraint mogs eating a lizard off the streets of Mumbai dude

 

[germanlooks]

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5'9 Gymcelled ogre potato with big frame

vs

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6'3 average-framed effortless prettyboy

You have to be deluded to think the gymcel gets even 0.0001% of the attention prime chico would have got if u had put them both in the same club.

The debate is about frame vs. height.

The fact that your argument includes a supermodel face shows me that you have not a real argument against what I said jfl.

Also retarded cherry picking of Jeff’s bloated face. After Chico’s prime years they are facially quite equal although seid facially dimorphism mogs to oblivion

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

The debate is about frame vs. height.

The fact that your argument includes a supermodel face shows me that you have not a real argument against what I said jfl.

Also retarded cherry picking of Jeff’s bloated face. After Chico’s prime years they are facially quite equal although seid facially dimorphism mogs to oblivion

Facial averageness > dimorphism. Chico mogged Seid from kashmir to delhi and back in his prime.

Also, height is everything compared to frame. It's genetic pedigree. You can't change your height, but you can add 2-3 inches on your shoulders by gym-celling. Women feel protected by tall men. A gym-celled manlet can't replicate that. A gym-celled manlet makes women feel insecure and less feminine.

It's also about presence. A gym-celled manlet waddles around the room and no one notices him. A tall man enters the room and everyone immediately looks up and notices him.

Women have filters for height but they don't have a requirement for frame. They never reject a man for his frame, but manlets always get rejected because they are not tall enough.

 

[Deleted member 16453]

Facial averageness > dimorphism. Chico mogged Seid from kashmir to delhi and back in his prime.

Also, height is everything compared to frame. It's genetic pedigree. You can't change your height, but you can add 2-3 inches on your shoulders by gym-celling. Women feel protected by tall men. A gym-celled manlet can't replicate that. A gym-celled manlet makes women feel insecure and less feminine.

It's also about presence. A gym-celled manlet waddles around the room and no one notices him. A tall man enters the room and everyone immediately looks up and notices him.

Women have filters for height but they don't have a requirement for frame. They never reject a man for his frame, but manlets always get rejected because they are not tall enough.

Your extremism and lack of open mindedness towards both traits obviously show u don’t have much real life experience, if at all.
Can’t take users here seriously sometimes man. They’re like 17 and barley step foot outside the house

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Your extremism and lack of open mindedness towards both traits obviously show u don’t have much real life experience, if at all.
Can’t take users here seriously sometimes man. They’re like 17 and barley step foot outside the house

Actually I am probably one of the older users here. I am a wise monk and you should listen to my wisdom.

This is reality... height is a dealbreaker and frame isn't. End of debate. Frame is only a multiplier if your FACE is above-average to begin with. It doesn't help regular normies and incels.

 

[Deleted member 16453]

Actually I am probably one of the older users here. I am a wise monk and you should listen to my wisdom.

This is reality... height is a dealbreaker and frame isn't. End of debate. Frame is only a multiplier if your FACE is above-average to begin with. It doesn't help regular normies and incels.

Well yes that’s absolutely true. Frame is a multiplier but to say that a 5’10 6psl 24 inch bídelt does not mog a 6’2 6 psl 20 inch bidelt (most tall guys have smaller frames on average)

Some girls will prefer the 5’10 dude and some the 6’2 dude

 

[softlysoftly]

short guys can’t get taller.

LL lifts thick soled shoes spinal decompression

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Well yes that’s absolutely true. Frame is a multiplier but to say that a 5’10 6psl 24 inch bídelt does not mog a 6’2 6 psl 20 inch bidelt (most tall guys have smaller frames on average)

Some girls will prefer the 5’10 dude and some the 6’2 dude

At 6psl it wouldn't even make a difference. That's like 99 percentile.

Better comparison would be 4.5psl 5'10 24 inch bídelt vs 6’2 4.5 psl 20 inch bidelt... I guarantee you 90% of the time they pick the latter.

 

[Deleted member 20519]

Height only mogs if the guy is 4+ inches taller

 

[germanlooks]

Facial averageness > dimorphism. Chico mogged Seid from kashmir to delhi and back in his prime.

Both are Chads facially so who cares. Chico looked better in his prime but descended hard. Jeff seid aged great so far and has the bone mass to age good further

Also, height is everything compared to frame. It's genetic pedigree. You can't change your height, but you can add 2-3 inches on your shoulders by gym-celling. Women feel protected by tall men. A gym-celled manlet can't replicate that. A gym-celled manlet makes women feel insecure and less feminine.

It's also about presence. A gym-celled manlet waddles around the room and no one notices him. A tall man enters the room and everyone immediately looks up and notices him.

I agree that height is more important if we include the genetic aspect and overall potential.

But my point is if you compare two men right at this moment who mogs. That the taller guy could gymmaxx and build a wider frame is irrelevant in this case. It’s just about who mogs in the present moment.

Also I only partially agree on the feeling secure part. If you are tall but skinny or a framelet no girl will feel protected by you. Jeff seid would beat the fuck out of prime Chico and Girls can estimate this from looking at their bodies.

And as I said the height difference can’t be too big of corse and the height must meet atleast the threshold of not being a manlet so 5‘8+

Women have filters for height but they don't have a requirement for frame. They never reject a man for his frame, but manlets always get rejected because they are not tall enough

a pear shaped hipcel framelet would definitely get rejected for his frame

 

[wollet2]

nobody cares about frame. most overrated feature

 

[Deleted member 16453]

Jeff seid would beat the fuck out of prime Chico and Girls can estimate this from looking at their bodies.

Guys listen, everything from the most micro to the most macro traits matter. Everything matters. Your looks, your dark triadness, YOUR HORMONES (HIGHLY HIGHLY UNDERATED HERE) and the fucking energy you give off which is a combination of looks, hormones, and ur mood at the moment

 

[germanlooks]

correct. if you disagree with that being a fair comparison then you’re absolutely subhuman iq. literally a big reason why height matters so much more than frame is because there’s a much bigger deviation in height. of course you have to factor in equal rarity percentiles when comparing two different traits.

Alright I agree.

One thing I want to mention tho in regard to the smaller difference in the Standard deviation of frame is that frame isn’t just frame whereas height is always just height. If you are 6‘2 you are 6‘2.

But 22 inch bideltoid doesn’t have to be the same on every guy with 22 inch bideltoid.
One guy could have it because he is an obese fuck whereas the other guy has it because he has huge clavicles with lean muscle mass.
While both have the same frame one is obv superior and gets also rated higher by women.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

And then I go outside and see framecel manlet ethnics/Filipinos with above average girls

Same in Germany with Arabs @Beastimmung

Jews >>> height or frame

 

[germanlooks]

Same in Germany with Arabs

They only slay cheap low class whores

 

[Deleted member 7580]

They only slay cheap low class whores

You’re prob right

There’s no other place like cucknada
@ForeverRecession Saw more ugly ethnics slaying above avg girls in your city than anywhere else

 

[Zeusus]

Seid would be a true framemogger if his lower body wasnt so wide and if his waist was a bit slimmer...but he is also 5'9 at best

his hips are too wide + major gayface

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

That tall dude is framelet yakhi

he looks like a cave troll in that clip