Gene editing could give rise to a whole new level of discrimination

[wishIwasSalludon]

With gene editing you can advance a population to a point which would have taken thousands of years of natural/sexual selection in just a few generations

a new species of humanity is about to be born, we are the old humans.

Eventually there will be more and more and more new humans

Discrimination is a natural tendency of humans, people discriminate over superficial things that don’t matter

For example a girl might not want to date you because you have the wrong zodiac sign

So imagine a world where there are more and more dudes who look like this

And have the iq of someone like this

What do you think will happen to us? Given the natural tendency of humanity to discriminate as well as the fact that the gap will be so great?

It doesn’t bode well

Worst case is there is a complete eradication of old humans by the genetically superior

Best case is that old humans are relegated to a lower class


@imontheloose @Jonas2k7 @trench @ToryToad

Btw this thread is all speculation but there 100% will be tensions between the old and new humans if gene editing becomes common enough

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

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[Bitterschön]

Interesting topic. Im against gene editing.

 

[ToryToad]

Interesting topic. Im against gene editing.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Interesting topic. Im against gene editing.

If you guys think life is bad now for the genetically inferior it’s about to get a whole lot worse

@ToryToad

 

[ToryToad]

If you guys think life is bad now for the genetically inferior it’s about to get a whole lot worse

@ToryToad

brutal but couldn't we all just become chads

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Just be genetically edited bro’

 

[imontheloose]

You're not wrong, but what you're describing isn't evolution. It's extermination by design. This so-called "new species" wouldn't be a natural superior, it will be an engineered, smiling slave, created by the same rootless parasites who corrupted art, finance, and politics.

They'll call it progress like always. In reality, it's sterilisation of the human soul. These "new humans" won't be heroic, noble, or free; rather optimised cattle: obedient, hollow, and owned.

True eugenics doesn't erase man, it uplifts him. It honours ancestry, protects the sacred bond between blood and soul, and demands sacrifice for the greater good.

 

[BadLuck7892]

If only gene editing were possible when I was a kid. Editing out my Italian genes would have been awesome.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You're not wrong, but what you're describing isn't evolution. It's extermination by design. This so-called "new species" wouldn't be a natural superior, it will be an engineered, smiling slave, created by the same rootless parasites who corrupted art, finance, and politics.

They'll call it progress like always. In reality, it's sterilisation of the human soul. These "new humans" won't be heroic, noble, or free; rather optimised cattle: obedient, hollow, and owned.

True eugenics doesn't erase man, it uplifts him. It honours ancestry, protects the sacred bond between blood and soul, and demands sacrifice for the greater good.

Was Looksmax.org down for you as well

 

[imontheloose]

Was Looksmax.org down for you as well

Yup. @Master dropped KFC on his keyboard again.

 

[looksmaxxed]

i wish it was like that but most likely it'll be used to mass produce compliant and credulous liberal retards aka the perfect system slave

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Tbh this post was more about the social implications this would have but the philosophical side is also interesting

This so-called "new species" wouldn't be a natural superior, it will be an engineered, smiling slave, created by the same rootless parasites who corrupted art, finance, and politics.

First of all I’d like to say that I believe free will is an illusion

But ignoring that I don’t see a problem. These new humans wouldn’t have any less free will than will than anyone else.

like yes their genes would influence how they think, their actions etc but that happens for everyone.

Also you make an appeal to nature, but natural doesn’t mean good.

Humans have always fought to overcome nature, there’s nothing natural about the fact that right now I can send you message via electromagnetic radiation in nearly an instant.

These "new humans" won't be heroic, noble

I have major criticism of these ideas, not just on whether gene editing is good or not

But on the ideas of heroism, honor, morality etc.

Problem 1. these ideas are ultimately subjective, what’s moral for example changes all the time and it changes based on where you are.

This makes me inclined to not put much weight on them

Problem 2. These ideas to me are an attempt to remove yourself out of reality.

These ideas only make sense if they’re grounding in something higher than nature.

I believe that the natural world is all there is, no god, no spirits nothing else just this.

These ideas are portrayed as so grand but to me it’s just trying to ignore the harsh truth it seems almost cowardly to me

It wouldn’t be so much a problem if people would admit to the fact that it stems from there need to give themselves a higher purpose and to reject the physical world.

Problem 3. They stifle the individual, these ideas as I’ve said are ultimately subjective. They’re more an object of control than anything of real value.

Values are all man made, it’s just we’re gaslit into thinking that we must uphold and live by them.

Instead I believe that values should be self created

 

[neurosis]

i wish it was like that but most likely it'll be used to mass produce compliant and credulous liberal retards aka the perfect system slave

this lol, why would the people in charge want to create a bioengineerd uber mogger 200 iq class to compete against. gene editing will be used to create a peasant slave class and disposable cannon fodder soldiers

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

this lol, why would the people in charge want to create a bioengineerd uber mogger 200 iq class to compete against. gene editing will be used to create a peasant slave class and disposable cannon fodder soldiers

It depends on whether gene editing becomes commercially available

Sure the government won’t want that but the individuals will

And it will become commercially available for two reasons

1. The potential for profit is insane, I don’t belive corporations would pass this up

2. Nations like China are 100% going to use this technology to improve their population

So either the west will have to do it as well or they will get destroyed

 

[imontheloose]

If I quoted the above, it would look like a novel, so I'll just respond like so.

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I don't think it's suitable claiming free will is an illusion then almost worshipping the individual as if his self-made values matter. I don't deny that blood and environment shape man, I affirm it. That's the foundation of racial thought. But I don't use that truth to abandon morality, I use it to demand discipline. To forge a people that transcends instinct by obeying purpose.

You say nature isn't good, but you're not getting that I'm not saying nature is about comfort or cruelty. It's about law. Order. Selection. Power. Our role is not to overcome nature, but to align with it in its higher form, strength, unity, and continuity.

Honour, morality, and heroism are not illusions to me. These are ancient instincts in service of something larger than the self. You may dismiss them as social constructs, but it was those very constructs that built nations, won wars, and demanded sacrifice so we could sit in comfort; I don't think it's right to now write about their now supposed meaninglessness.

Yes, values control people, but the real question is: control toward what? Toward rot? When values come from the people, blood, and ancestors, they aren't chains to me.

I think it's dangerous to say values are to be self-created, it seems too easy to then invent fictions to justify retreat into selfishness.

We don't invent values, we inherit them. And only through that do we become more than animals. Only a people with eternal values endures, not merely survives with self-made truths.

 

[diditeverbegin]

With gene editing you can advance a population to a point which would have taken thousands of years of natural/sexual selection in just a few generations

a new species of humanity is about to be born, we are the old humans.

Eventually there will be more and more and more new humans

Discrimination is a natural tendency of humans, people discriminate over superficial things that don’t matter

For example a girl might not want to date you because you have the wrong zodiac sign

So imagine a world where there are more and more dudes who look like this
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And have the iq of someone like this
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What do you think will happen to us? Given the natural tendency of humanity to discriminate as well as the fact that the gap will be so great?

It doesn’t bode well

Worst case is there is a complete eradication of old humans by the genetically superior

Best case is that old humans are relegated to a lower class


@imontheloose @Jonas2k7 @trench @ToryToad

Btw this thread is all speculation but there 100% will be tensions between the old and new humans if gene editing becomes common enough

we talked about it in my AP psychology class and all the foids were denouncing it. i was thinking to myself how i would create my own superhuman

 

[neurosis]

It depends on whether gene editing becomes commercially available

Sure the government won’t want that but the individuals will

And it will become commercially available for two reasons

1. The potential for profit is insane, I don’t belive corporations would pass this up

2. Nations like China are 100% going to use this technology to improve their population

So either the west will have to do it as well or they will get destroyed

again, its suicide for the ruling class. no amount of power, wealth, status or followers would be able to compete against bioengineered superhumans. it'll inevitably be commercial (and obv a success) BUT, what will likely happen is theyll place regulations on gene editing and reduce it to treating diseases and various genetic disorders in the name of 'ethics' instead of doing anything interesting like tampering with genes that control for iq, aging, skull structure, phenotype, metabolism, brain morphology etc

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

again, its suicide for the ruling class. no amount of power, wealth, status or followers would be able to compete against bioengineered superhumans. it'll inevitably be commercial (and obv a success) BUT, what will likely happen is theyll place regulations on gene editing and reduce it to treating diseases and various genetic disorders in the name of 'ethics' instead of doing anything interesting like tampering with genes that control for iq, aging, skull structure, phenotype, metabolism, brain morphology etc

makes sense

 

[autistic_tendencies]

again, its suicide for the ruling class. no amount of power, wealth, status or followers would be able to compete against bioengineered superhumans. it'll inevitably be commercial (and obv a success) BUT, what will likely happen is theyll place regulations on gene editing and reduce it to treating diseases and various genetic disorders in the name of 'ethics' instead of doing anything interesting like tampering with genes that control for iq, aging, skull structure, phenotype, metabolism, brain morphology etc

Bryan Johnson believes we could be the last generation to die
Maybe they figure out how to change the aging gene

 

[neurosis]

we talked about it in my AP psychology class and all the foids were denouncing it.

lol why, do they think itll increase genetic inequality/eugenics. jfl how do they think foid (human tbh) mating strategies work

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

JEWIQ is incompatible with g0ybrain sorry

 

[diditeverbegin]

lol why, do they think itll increase genetic inequality/eugenics. jfl what do they think foid (human tbh) mating strategies are

they think it's unnatural. i'd rather refrain from using gene editing, but you can't leave your child to be inferior because of "morals"

 

[autistic_tendencies]

 

[neurosis]

they think it's unnatural

fuark, mirin foid cognitive dissonance hard. the entire medicine/pharmaceutical industry is 'unnatural'. ig its just their unconscious femoid intuition telling them to despise people who cheat the genetic lottery.

i'd rather refrain from using gene editing, but you can't leave your child to be inferior because of "morals"

water

if gene editing is made commercially available, having organic children should be classified as child abuse

 

[autistic_tendencies]

fuark, mirin foid cognitive dissonance hard. the entire medicine/pharmaceutical industry is 'unnatural'. ig its just their unconscious femoid intuition telling them to despise people who cheat the genetic lottery.

water

if gene editing is made commercially available, having organic children should be classified as child abuse

Organic Life is basically suffering you get old breakdown and die
Gene editing could transform life cure depression sadness everything

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

fuark, mirin foid cognitive dissonance hard. the entire medicine/pharmaceutical industry is 'unnatural'. ig its just their unconscious femoid intuition telling them to despise people who cheat the genetic lottery.

water

if gene editing is made commercially available, having organic children should be classified as child abuse

Even if gene editing were made commercially available I do believe that a large percent if not the majority would choose to have natural children atleast for a while

 

[diditeverbegin]

fuark, mirin foid cognitive dissonance hard. the entire medicine/pharmaceutical industry is 'unnatural'. ig its just their unconscious femoid intuition telling them to despise people who cheat the genetic lottery.

Legit what my teacher responded with. He is a male btw

 

[neurosis]

Even if gene editing were made commercially available I do believe that a large percent if not the majority would choose to have natural children atleast for a while

good. i hope they get to witness first hand what itll be like to get obliterated by immortal cyborg superspecimins in every form of human endeavour

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

then almost worshipping the individual as if his self-made values matter.

The fact that values don’t matter is the point, whether you accept the ones forced on you or create your own both are equally valid.

Our role is not to overcome nature, but to align with it in its higher form, strength, unity, and continuity.

Are you against technology?

You may dismiss them as social constructs, but it was those very constructs that built nations, won wars, and demanded sacrifice

It’s true that these values are useful for society, but that doesn’t make them true. I actually belive that they are outliving their usefulness at this current time but that’s another topic.

Believing in God could be useful in getting someone to behave better because they think that they will be sent to hell if they don’t for example.

I think it's dangerous to say values are to be self-created, it seems too easy to then invent fictions to justify retreat into selfishness.

These are my personal views on life, I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m advocating for people in general to think like this.

I don’t think this will be harmful to society overall if that happened. In fact it would be a net benefit I think.

 

[Gonthar]

What do you think will happen to us? Given the natural tendency of humanity to discriminate as well as the fact that the gap will be so great?

You just edit your genes too, everyone will probably be modified in the future...

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Only a people with eternal values endures

It’s the opposite the most adaptable people endure.

Let me give a historical example

When western Europe was industrializing and inventing new technology they also sailed across the world.

I heard a story that when the British arrived in China they offered the best technology they had in exchange for free trade

The Chinese due to the fact that they valued traditions over change, as well as the fact that they enjoyed being the most power civilization in history for possibly most of the ancient era

Rejected their offer, despite the fact that Britain at the time had the best technology ever seen.

The Japanese on the other hand were more open to change and were able to steam roll the Chinese because of this.

 

[trench]

this is unironically a scary thing when you think about it

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

this is unironically a scary thing when you think about it

Well the good news is that we might be long dead by the time shit gets bad

I say might because we are shockingly close to a cure for aging

I predict it will happen in our lifetimes

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Is he jewish

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Who cares? I'll be dead in a couple of decades, anyway. Good riddance.

 

[Debetro]

Eriksen is normie

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Is he jewish

What does it matter

 

[imontheloose]

The fact that values don’t matter is the point, whether you accept the ones forced on you or create your own both are equally valid.

Only in a dying civilisation do people pretend all values are equal. A man who invents his own morality serves nothing but his own appetites. A people that forgets its sacred laws passed down through blood and sacrifice, does not become enlightened. It becomes hollow. Without a shared hierarchy of values, there's no nation, only consumers and predators.

Are you against technology?

No. I'm against technology without direction. Tools are only as noble as the hands that wield them. In the wrong hands, those of merchants, parasites, or rootless technorats, technology becomes a weapon against the race. In the right hands, it's a sword for civilisation. I embrace advancement, but only when it serves the destiny of the people, not when it replaces them.

It’s true that these values are useful for society, but that doesn’t make them true. I actually belive that they are outliving their usefulness at this current time but that’s another topic.

And yet every civilisation that forgot them collapsed. Saying values aren't real because they shift is like saying warfare isn't real because the weapons change. The form changes, the function endures. I don't defend honour because it's objective and empirically true in a lab. I defend it because it has shaped every civilisation worth remembering. I defend it because without it, man serves nothing bar himself, and nothing great will ever be built off that.

Values aren't hallucinations, they're the instincts of a race crystallised into law, tradition, and myth even; you may call them subjective, but I call them ancestral memory. They bind individuals into a people, and a people that abandons it becomes a herd ready to be ruled.

Such concepts cannot be proven using the scientific method obviously, but many things are taken as logical and accepted even without it; I think showing without it causes moral collapse and cultural suicide is enough, and history has done that already.

Believing in God could be useful in getting someone to behave better because they think that they will be sent to hell if they don’t for example.

I don't think anyone should bow to an invisible judge. I think we should serve the eternal law written in our blood, in our ancestry, our soil, and our duty to our people. Religious cucks fear hell, where I think racial extinction is a much greater threat. Morality isn't obedience to a ghost, it's obedience to a natural hierarchy. To fight for the people is sacred, and that is what religion should be, not worshipping a ghost.

These are my personal views on life, I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m advocating for people in general to think like this.

I don’t think this will be harmful to society overall if that happened. In fact it would be a net benefit I think.

What value is a belief if you wouldn't defend it as a rule for the world? I don't think private philosophies help anything. I think debating orders of life that build nations and forge destiny is what matters. That requires belief in such a philosophy being higher than the individual self.

A society without shared values is not a society. It's a market. A flock without shepherds really. When every man follow self-interest, power falls to the most cunning, rather than the most noble. That's not freedom, it's organised decay.

 

[imontheloose]

It’s the opposite the most adaptable people endure.

Let me give a historical example

When western Europe was industrializing and inventing new technology they also sailed across the world.

I heard a story that when the British arrived in China they offered the best technology they had in exchange for free trade

The Chinese due to the fact that they valued traditions over change, as well as the fact that they enjoyed being the most power civilization in history for possibly most of the ancient era

Rejected their offer, despite the fact that Britain at the time had the best technology ever seen.

The Japanese on the other hand were more open to change and were able to steam roll the Chinese because of this.

Adaptation is not victory. Amoebas have adapted for a billion years, yet have no monuments, no soul, no anything. A people must endure not merely by surviving, but by remaining themselves. A people that survives by becoming something else has committed suicide.

Your example proves my point. Japan adapted technology, but preserved its bloodline, its emperor, and its warrior spirit dearly, it is still very much so. China lost because it forgot how to defend its tradition, not because tradition is weakness, but because theirs had become hollow. I don't reject technology, I reject the soulless adaptation that trades identity for advantage.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Me and you just have completely different views on the world and life so I don’t think we will convince eachother of anything I’ve accepted that

I will answer this question

What value is a belief if you wouldn't defend it as a rule for the world?

1.Because I value contemplation, the act itself is valuable to me. I don’t believe a life without contemplation is worth living.

2.Also personal philosophies can help you live in a more satisfying way.

Just because something is true doesn’t mean it would be good for society as whole.

Although I do believe the if society placed more value on things like, freedom, self creation, individual identity, expression and personal strength . Society would be better overall.

3. I don’t really care about helping society, like yea I’m abt to go to college to become an investment banker, not because I care about “contributing” but because of my own self interests.

Those are the answer to the question above.

 

[imontheloose]

Me and you just have completely different views on the world and life so I don’t think we will convince eachother of anything I’ve accepted that

I will answer this question

1.Because I value contemplation, the act itself is valuable to me. I don’t believe a life without contemplation is worth living.

2.Also personal philosophies can help you live in a more satisfying way.

Just because something is true doesn’t mean it would be good for society as whole.

Although I do believe the if society placed more value on things like, freedom, self creation, individual identity, expression and personal strength . Society would be better overall.

3. I don’t really care about helping society, like yea I’m abt to go to college to become an investment banker, not because I care about “contributing” but because of my own self interests.

Those are the answer to the question above.

Understandable.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Understandable.

this was a very interesting discussion I do appreciate it even though we didn’t really find common ground

 

[imontheloose]

this was a very interesting discussion I do appreciate it even though we didn’t really find common ground

Absolutely. I always enjoy speaking with those who disagree. I'll be sure to tag you in more of the threads I make involving a discussion.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Absolutely. I always enjoy speaking with those who disagree. I'll be sure to tag you in more of the threads I make involving a discussion.

Holy shit why tf is Looksmax always down what is @Master doing

Did he not pay for the servers in Mumbai

 

[imontheloose]

Holy shit why tf is Looksmax always down what is @Master doing

Did he not pay for the servers in Mumbai

It used to be up 24/7 before Master had introduced VIP and spent it all on KFC.