Genetics vs Environment vs Hormones

[retard]

Strangely enough after all this debate i do not think a single in depth thread has been made on the topic, i will be including genetics and prenatal hormonal profile as one category, since they are both things that are impossible to control, some of these things obviously aren't only determined by a single factor, so they will be in multiple categories


Genetics: Determines the type of features that you will have that will develop the exact same irrelevant of hormone levels or environment

Determined by genetics:

Skin tone

Eyebrow shape

The blueprints of how your facial bones will develop (Asians tend to have more downward growth, while blacks are more prognathic and have more recessed chins)

All facial distances (IPD FWHR Midface ratio etc)

Ear protrusion

Bone mass of facial bones

Medial canthus

The type of features you will develop (nigga nose and lips as an example, general shape of orbitals)

Supraorbital fat pad (hooded eyes)

Chin/Jaw Width

Hormone levels: How masculine or unmasculine your facial features will develop according the the range your genetics put you in

Determined by hormone levels:

Voice Pitch

FWHR

Bone Mass

Eyebrow/Facial hair density

How high/lowset the brows are

Affects range of gonial angle

Brow Ridge

Chin/Jaw Width


Environment: How well your features actually develop to fit your "ideal genetic blueprints"

Determined by environment

Width of all your facial features

Forward Growth

Negative/Positive Vector

Nose

Jaw/Chin projection

Cheekbone Projection

Undereye support

Canthil tilt

Browridge development

Now the question, which one of these are the most important?
In this current day environment is by far the most important for looks as so many people develop absolutely horribly, and simply by having proper development you will mog 99% of people who do not develop properly (assuming completely proper development). While in the past times when everyone developed properly, every one was on an even playing field and genetics were then the most important role (All native americans developed properly, but some were more GL than others, so genetics/hormones were the cause of that)

Even if you have absolutely shit tier genetics, and you develop properly, you will mog nearly everyone, considering nearly everyone doesnt develop properly

Here is an example of someone who i would deem having shit genetics but proper development

This guy is optimally developed and yet some people with better genetics and worse development like chico/strijd mog him to oblivion, this guy would still be considered a high tier chad by all females, while he would be incel tier if he mouth breathed, it is nearly impossible to be ugly with proper development, and it is impossible to be gl without atleast decent development

Let me say this loud and clear
NO ONE HAS "RECESSED GENETICS"

The only difference between these two people is environment, they both have equally shit genetics, yet one is a giga truecel, and the other is a high tier chad, all simply due to development.


While to be the very top of the food chain (PSL gods) genetics are the thing that sets them apart

In no world will this guy ever mog someone like chico, someone who isnt optimally developed, despite himself being fully developed, and the mogging is indeed quite brutal, but that far from meaning the first guy isnt gl

 

[Chadelite]

MashAllah Im top tier all of them

 

[Disabledcel]

Inb4 dnrd

 

[retard]

MashAllah Im top tier all of them

nigga liked then unliked my post jfl

 

[Chadelite]

nigga liked then unliked my post jfl

Accident nibba shit WiFi
I will use a facrpuller or rope

 

[middayshowers]

do you realize you contradicted yourself by saying that blacks have more recessed chins, and then later on saying that no one has recessed genetics?

 

[Vidyacoper]

great thread, too many people develop poorly nowadays due to allergies and dust exposure (staying cooped up indoors instead of playing outside) causing mouth breathing problems
its over for many men

do you realize you contradicted yourself by saying that blacks have more recessed chins, and then later on saying that no one has recessed genetics?

well u can tell what he meant
blacks have less chin projection
meanwhile anyone can have a generally recessed mandible (downward growth from mouthbreahting and other things) leading to a weak chin

 

[Chadelite]

do you realize you contradicted yourself by saying that blacks have more recessed chins, and then later on saying that no one has recessed genetics?

Recssed chin = bimaxxilar protrusion = Black trait

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great thread, too many people develop poorly nowadays due to allergies and dust exposure (staying cooped up indoors instead of playing outside) causing mouth breathing problems
its over for many men

well u can tell what he meant
blacks have less chin projection
meanwhile anyone can have a generally recessed mandible (downward growth from mouthbreahting and other things) leading to a weak chin

Chico stayed at home all day and played vidya

 

[Vidyacoper]

Chico stayed at home all day and played vidya

while chad was playing video games after creampieing stacy incels were planning their next surgeries, over

 

[Chadelite]

while chad was playing video games after creampieing stacy incels were planning their next surgeries, over

Console coper gigachad

 

[Shady]

View attachment 343147
great thread, too many people develop poorly nowadays due to allergies and dust exposure (staying cooped up indoors instead of playing outside) causing mouth breathing problems
its over for many men

well u can tell what he meant
blacks have less chin projection
meanwhile anyone can have a generally recessed mandible (downward growth from mouthbreahting and other things) leading to a weak chin

this guy everyone post look gay and not manly

 

[Vidyacoper]

this guy everyone post look gay and not manly

cope
if hes gay then ur currently eating my dick and u will be diagnosed with super aids in the future

 

[Shady]

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cope
if hes gay then ur currently eating my dick and u will be diagnosed with super aids in the future

he look not manly

 

[Vidyacoper]

he look not manly

still mogs u to the next dimension and got paid £10,000,000 + for modelling (aka paid that much for his face meanwhile youll wageslave for the rest of ur waste of a low iq lifetime and earn a 1/10 of that if ur lucky)

 

[Shady]

still mogs u to the next dimension and got paid £10,000,000 + for modelling (aka paid that much for his face meanwhile youll wageslave for the rest of ur waste of a low iq lifetime and earn a 1/10 of that if ur lucky)

ohh he is model ok ok

 

[retard]

do you realize you contradicted yourself by saying that blacks have more recessed chins, and then later on saying that no one has recessed genetics?

I didn’t mean actually recessed chins, I meant more recessed relative to other races

 

[Arkantos]

Damn, only 15 replies? I wanted to learn more about this.

 

[Madhate]

bump

 

[Deleted member 4991]

Idk man I didn't have any allergies and didn't mouth breathe in my childhood; and I didn't end up low tier chad. My parents were decent looking in their prime. I think the problem here is the orthodontist fucked me in the ass when he removed 4 pre-molars to make room for braces.

 

[Chadeep]

Environmental factors fuck up everything.

 

[diggbicc]

You make the exact threads I am too lazy to explain to these plebs. Nice work.

 

[DrTony]

And of course not a single scientific reference. This forum is hilarious

 

[Deleted member 1680]

good thread retard

 

[diggbicc]

good thread retard

 

[RAITEIII]

Idk man I didn't have any allergies and didn't mouth breathe in my childhood; and I didn't end up low tier chad. My parents were decent looking in their prime. I think the problem here is the orthodontist fucked me in the ass when he removed 4 pre-molars to make room for braces.

Yes you and me are victim of orthodontist and I can attest you that ONLY someone who's gone through this extreme mutilation would be able to realize the damage done...

I can see my lower third, the maxilla, all the changes in pictures... and as we know on this forum a few MM are kilometers on your face.

 

[( ( ( d[-_-]b ) ) )]

I legit don’t know how to read so dn rd

 

[Deleted member 4991]

Yes you and me are victim of orthodontist and I can attest you that ONLY someone who's gone through this extreme mutilation would be able to realize the damage done...

I can see my lower third, the maxilla, all the changes in pictures... and as we know on this forum a few MM are kilometers on your face.

I know dude its crazy how different things could've been

 

[RAITEIII]

Yes you and me are victim of orthodontist and I can attest you that ONLY someone who's gone through this extreme mutilation would be able to realize the damage done...

I can see my lower third, the maxilla, all the changes in pictures... and as we know on this

I know dude its crazy how different things could've been

Don't worry bro fillers and surgery.

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Just dont mouthbreathe theory and you should be fine? Apart from that, what can fuck up the environnement factors

What consists a good envirronement?

Maybe tooth extraction?

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Those that should be environmental is probably still heavily dependent on genetics

I mouth breathed alot especially when sleeping in my teens
Cause I was a fiery guy who liked fighting
Lead to nose being broken 2 times
Which lead to the mouth breathing

I didn't develop that bad even though shit environment
I have better development than most guys I see that probably had better environment
Since they came from way richer families

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Those that should be environmental is probably still heavily dependent on genetics

I mouth breathed alot especially when sleeping in my teens
Cause I was a fiery guy who liked fighting
Lead to nose being broken 2 times
Which lead to the mouth breathing

I didn't develop that bad even though shit environment
I have better development than most guys I see that probably had better environment
Since they came from way richer families

Lucky genes

 

[retard]

Just dont mouthbreathe theory and you should be fine? Apart from that, what can fuck up the environnement factors

What consists a good envirronement?

Maybe tooth extraction?

proper oral posture (mewing) and having your jaws close together at rest

 

[Deleted member 3043]

cope tbh i should have been gl if it's impossible to not be with proper dévelopment.
imo phénotype matters more.

 

[Deleted member 4123]

It isnt debunked by science? How should we cope? By saying its true? Or just continuing on rambling on those topics, were so influenced in what we hear but dont take it as seriously as possible, so i cant see it.

cope tbh i should have been gl if it's impossible to not be with proper dévelopment.
imo phénotype matters more.

Thats what I thought

 

[retard]

cope tbh i should have been gl if it's impossible to not be with proper dévelopment.
imo phénotype matters more.

I meant like entirely perfect development like fully mewing from birth, and pheno is apart of genetics

 

[Hector]

The thread overall is very good but it has some flaws and mistakes.

Per example, FWHR isn't pure genetics, is more environment, usually the bad FWHR has connection to nutrition and T levels during childhood and teen years, have you ever seen a fat person with high ratio? Very rare, yet most people with bad ratio were skinny in childhood and probably still are.

"Hooded eyes", I dislike this term, should be UEE level, is caused most by the orbitals shape, everyone has rhe same fat pads, is just that some people orbitals end higher and others closer to the eyeball. You can check this by rising your eyebrows and you will see your orbital. (Asians doesn't count, because they don't have eyelids like caucasians or blacks).

Undereye support has environment factor but it depends even more on genetics, only at old ages it varies because of the soft tissue, but from childhood to your adulthood it doesn't change too much.

Nose is genetic but it can be varied if the maxilla don't devolop good.

Eyebrows are both hormonal and genetic, there is lot of high T men with bad eyebrow thickness because their genetics (most soavs or nordics).

And browbone higjer or lower, i am not sure but seems like a broscience, apart that browbone is a bit of a meme in PSL community and it is highly overrated (probably because people tend to have good browbones and is a good way to cope for most users and dont feel that ugly).

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I meant like entirely perfect development like fully mewing from birth, and pheno is apart of genetics

oh that's could be true then. i mouthbreathed all my teenagehood but still i'm lESS recessed than 1 Guy out 20 more or less i see irl

 

[Deleted member 4123]

oh that's could be true then. i mouthbreathed all my teenagehood but still i'm lESS recessed than 1 Guy out 20 more or less i see irl

Probably saved by childhood

The thread overall is very good but it has some flaws and mistakes.

Per example, FWHR isn't pure genetics, is more environment, usually the bad FWHR has connection to nutrition and T levels during childhood and teen years, have you ever seen a fat person with high ratio? Very rare, yet most people with bad ratio were skinny in childhood and probably still are.

"Hooded eyes", I dislike this term, should be UEE level, is caused most by the orbitals shape, everyone has rhe same fat pads, is just that some people orbitals end higher and others closer to the eyeball. You can check this by rising your eyebrows and you will see your orbital. (Asians doesn't count, because they don't have eyelids like caucasians or blacks).

Undereye support has environment factor but it depends even more on genetics, only at old ages it varies because of the soft tissue, but from childhood to your adulthood it doesn't change too much.

Nose is genetic but it can be varied if the maxilla don't devolop good.

Eyebrows are both hormonal and genetic, there is lot of high T men with bad eyebrow thickness because their genetics (most soavs or nordics).

And browbone higjer or lower, i am not sure but seems like a broscience, apart that browbone is a bit of a meme in PSL community and it is highly overrated (probably because people tend to have good browbones and is a good way to cope for most users and dont feel that ugly).

Fat one with high ratio can lose weight?
Uee genetics?

 

[turkproducer]

how do you know that they have shit genetics but developed properly lol

 

[Deleted member 4123]

how do you know that they have shit genetics but developed properly lol

Probably both

 

[turkproducer]

The thread overall is very good but it has some flaws and mistakes.

Per example, FWHR isn't pure genetics, is more environment, usually the bad FWHR has connection to nutrition and T levels during childhood and teen years, have you ever seen a fat person with high ratio? Very rare, yet most people with bad ratio were skinny in childhood and probably still are.

"Hooded eyes", I dislike this term, should be UEE level, is caused most by the orbitals shape, everyone has rhe same fat pads, is just that some people orbitals end higher and others closer to the eyeball. You can check this by rising your eyebrows and you will see your orbital. (Asians doesn't count, because they don't have eyelids like caucasians or blacks).

Undereye support has environment factor but it depends even more on genetics, only at old ages it varies because of the soft tissue, but from childhood to your adulthood it doesn't change too much.

Nose is genetic but it can be varied if the maxilla don't devolop good.

Eyebrows are both hormonal and genetic, there is lot of high T men with bad eyebrow thickness because their genetics (most soavs or nordics).

And browbone higjer or lower, i am not sure but seems like a broscience, apart that browbone is a bit of a meme in PSL community and it is highly overrated (probably because people tend to have good browbones and is a good way to cope for most users and dont feel that ugly).

i’m fat and have been fat all my life pretty much, so i cucked myself? I have high T face and good frame etc but fuark

 

[retard]

how do you know that they have shit genetics but developed properly lol

he still isn’t extremely gl with proper development, like someone like Barrett who has good genetics and proper development and mogs him to hell and back, and his tongue is completely raised in his side profile pic

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Does this look foward grown or downward?

 

[retard]

Does this look foward grown or downward?

Asians maxilla naturally grow downward more than other races, probably average

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Asians maxilla naturally grow downward more than other races, probably average

Yea i herd almost every asian has flat maxilla but they can have foward jaw chin sometimes browridge but maxilla is almost always flat

 

[HighIQcel]

The thread overall is very good but it has some flaws and mistakes.

Per example, FWHR isn't pure genetics, is more environment, usually the bad FWHR has connection to nutrition and T levels during childhood and teen years, have you ever seen a fat person with high ratio? Very rare, yet most people with bad ratio were skinny in childhood and probably still are.

"Hooded eyes", I dislike this term, should be UEE level, is caused most by the orbitals shape, everyone has rhe same fat pads, is just that some people orbitals end higher and others closer to the eyeball. You can check this by rising your eyebrows and you will see your orbital. (Asians doesn't count, because they don't have eyelids like caucasians or blacks).

Undereye support has environment factor but it depends even more on genetics, only at old ages it varies because of the soft tissue, but from childhood to your adulthood it doesn't change too much.

Nose is genetic but it can be varied if the maxilla don't devolop good.

Eyebrows are both hormonal and genetic, there is lot of high T men with bad eyebrow thickness because their genetics (most soavs or nordics).

And browbone higjer or lower, i am not sure but seems like a broscience, apart that browbone is a bit of a meme in PSL community and it is highly overrated (probably because people tend to have good browbones and is a good way to cope for most users and dont feel that ugly).

What's bad FWHR?

 

[RAITEIII]

The thread overall is very good but it has some flaws and mistakes.

Per example, FWHR isn't pure genetics, is more environment, usually the bad FWHR has connection to nutrition and T levels during childhood and teen years, have you ever seen a fat person with high ratio? Very rare, yet most people with bad ratio were skinny in childhood and probably still are.

"Hooded eyes", I dislike this term, should be UEE level, is caused most by the orbitals shape, everyone has rhe same fat pads, is just that some people orbitals end higher and others closer to the eyeball. You can check this by rising your eyebrows and you will see your orbital. (Asians doesn't count, because they don't have eyelids like caucasians or blacks).

Undereye support has environment factor but it depends even more on genetics, only at old ages it varies because of the soft tissue, but from childhood to your adulthood it doesn't change too much.

Nose is genetic but it can be varied if the maxilla don't devolop good.

Eyebrows are both hormonal and genetic, there is lot of high T men with bad eyebrow thickness because their genetics (most soavs or nordics).

And browbone higjer or lower, i am not sure but seems like a broscience, apart that browbone is a bit of a meme in PSL community and it is highly overrated (probably because people tend to have good browbones and is a good way to cope for most users and dont feel that ugly).

Observationcel

 

[AscendingHero]

Strangely enough after all this debate i do not think a single in depth thread has been made on the topic, i will be including genetics and prenatal hormonal profile as one category, since they are both things that are impossible to control, some of these things obviously aren't only determined by a single factor, so they will be in multiple categories


Genetics: Determines the type of features that you will have that will develop the exact same irrelevant of hormone levels or environment

Determined by genetics:

Skin tone

Eyebrow shape

The blueprints of how your facial bones will develop (Asians tend to have more downward growth, while blacks are more prognathic and have more recessed chins)

All facial distances (IPD FWHR Midface ratio etc)

Ear protrusion

Bone mass of facial bones

Medial canthus

The type of features you will develop (nigga nose and lips as an example, general shape of orbitals)

Supraorbital fat pad (hooded eyes)

Chin/Jaw Width

Hormone levels: How masculine or unmasculine your facial features will develop according the the range your genetics put you in

Determined by hormone levels:

Voice Pitch

FWHR

Bone Mass

Eyebrow/Facial hair density

How high/lowset the brows are

Affects range of gonial angle

Brow Ridge

Chin/Jaw Width


Environment: How well your features actually develop to fit your "ideal genetic blueprints"

Determined by environment

Width of all your facial features

Forward Growth

Negative/Positive Vector

Nose

Jaw/Chin projection

Cheekbone Projection

Undereye support

Canthil tilt

Browridge development

Now the question, which one of these are the most important?
In this current day environment is by far the most important for looks as so many people develop absolutely horribly, and simply by having proper development you will mog 99% of people who do not develop properly (assuming completely proper development). While in the past times when everyone developed properly, every one was on an even playing field and genetics were then the most important role (All native americans developed properly, but some were more GL than others, so genetics/hormones were the cause of that)

Even if you have absolutely shit tier genetics, and you develop properly, you will mog nearly everyone, considering nearly everyone doesnt develop properly

Here is an example of someone who i would deem having shit genetics but proper development

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This guy is optimally developed and yet some people with better genetics and worse development like chico/strijd mog him to oblivion, this guy would still be considered a high tier chad by all females, while he would be incel tier if he mouth breathed, it is nearly impossible to be ugly with proper development, and it is impossible to be gl without atleast decent development

Let me say this loud and clear
NO ONE HAS "RECESSED GENETICS"

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The only difference between these two people is environment, they both have equally shit genetics, yet one is a giga truecel, and the other is a high tier chad, all simply due to development.


While to be the very top of the food chain (PSL gods) genetics are the thing that sets them apart

In no world will this guy ever mog someone like chico, someone who isnt optimally developed, despite himself being fully developed, and the mogging is indeed quite brutal, but that far from meaning the first guy isnt gl
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So how does one develop properly?

Is it too late to make substantial changes if one is in their teens OP? @retard