German government proposes more rights for vaccinated people

[Deleted member 275]

On Monday Chancellor Angela Merkel and Germany’s 16 state premiers will discuss whether those who have been fully vaccinated should receive more basic freedoms.

German government proposes more rights for vaccinated people: What you need to know

On Monday Chancellor Angela Merkel and Germany’s 16 state premiers will discuss whether those who have been fully vaccinated should receive more basic freedoms. Here’s what that could entail.

www.thelocal.de

Just get vaccinated to get your basic freedoms back bro. Clownworld we are living in.

 

[gamma]

Why they want that we take the vaccine? What's (their) plan?
@Chadlite Rutherford

 

[Deleted member 11748]

Why they wanna that we take the vaccine? What's (their) plan?
@Chadlite Rutherford

stop overpopulation

 

[Deleted member 275]

stop overpopulation

makes no sense, populations in the west are already dwindling. Most goverments, especially the german government, are importing as many migrants from the middle east as possible to increase population. Not decrease it.

 

[gamma]

stop overpopulation

There's something inside the vaccine that causes infertility?

 

[gamma]

makes no sense, populations in the west are already dwindling. Most goverments, especially the german government, is importing as many migrants from the middle east as possible to increase population. Not decrease it.

Same in Italy, italians don't breed anymore

 

[Deleted member 11748]

makes no sense, populations in the west are already dwindling. Most goverments, especially the german government, is importing as many migrants from the middle east as possible to increase population. Not decrease it.

and why is that? jews changing gender roles

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

I'm probably gonna get a vaccine tbh

I'll finish my ascension this year (at least 95%) and lmao @ not being able to go anywhere after that

israel vaccinated all their own folks so it's probably fine

 

[TsarTsar444]

Low iq, you need to get vaccinated cause you live in society. If you don't want the vaccine, nobody is forcing you to live in a city, go live in Siberia

 

[Mongrelcel]

Low iq, you need to get vaccinated cause you live in society. If you don't want the vaccine, nobody is forcing you to live in a city, go live in Siberia

low IQ take, not even going to bother to explain why youre wrong

 

[TsarTsar444]

low IQ take, not even going to bother to explain why youre wrong

Well common explain, im opened for opinions

 

[Mongrelcel]

Well common explain, im opened for opinions

"You dont have to take the vaccine, you can always just kill yourself"

the other option is not feasible or realistic.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Low iq, you need to get vaccinated cause you live in society. If you don't want the vaccine, nobody is forcing you to live in a city, go live in Siberia

'If you dont like it, move to siberia and live in the wilderness bro.'

do you use this kind of dumb argument against anyone who ever criticizes anything? JFL

 

[TsarTsar444]

"You dont have to take the vaccine, you can always just kill yourself"

the other option is not feasible or realistic.

Yeah but your actions to not be vaccinated are harming everyone around you, especially old people

 

[Mongrelcel]

Yeah but your actions to not be vaccinated are harming everyone around you, especially old people

says who?

 

[Deleted member 275]

your actions to not be vaccinated are harming everyone around you, especially old people

So you are saying that the vaccin doesn't work and that vaccinated people still die from corona despite being vaccinated against it?

So why the fuck are we getting vaccinated anyways then? Again 0 logic in your posts.

 

[TsarTsar444]

says who?

Whats there to be said? People who aren't vaccinated will just keep the virus alive much longer in society giving the virus plenty of time to gain mutations that will overpower vaccinated people as well and everything is going to start over again

 

[TsarTsar444]

So you are saying that the vaccin doesn't work and that vaccinated people still die from corona despite being vaccinated against it?

So why the fuck are we getting vaccinated anyways then? Again 0 logic in your posts.

Whats there to be said? People who aren't vaccinated will just keep the virus alive much longer in society giving the virus plenty of time to gain mutations that will overpower vaccinated people as well and everything is going to start over again

 

[Mongrelcel]

Whats there to be said? People who aren't vaccinated will just keep the virus alive much longer in society giving the virus plenty of time to gain mutations that will overpower vaccinated people as well and everything is going to start over again

im not looking to aruge this, i never really gave a fuck about the corona conspiracy theories, im uneducated

just your original statement was retarded so I had to reply

 

[Deleted member 10176]

@Chadlite Rutherford

 

[Deleted member 275]

Whats there to be said? People who aren't vaccinated will just keep the virus alive much longer in society giving the virus plenty of time to gain mutations that will overpower vaccinated people as well and everything is going to start over again

Proof that vaccinations will stop mutations?

And beyond that, why is it my reponsibilty as a healthy young person to sacrifice my health and life quality for old people dieing from natural causes (a flu virus) that choose to live in cities and risk infection?

You could apply your exact argument to old people with healthrisks: Move to the middle of nowhere and you can't get corona.

We have a yearly 'normal flu' epidemic aswell, even before this corona bullshit. Nobody ever cared to impose restrictions because of that. Corona can come back in a mutated form, I don't care, as long as the lockdown doesn't come back. Which is a governmental decision and has nothing to do with the virus.

We could lift restrictions tomorrow and live like there is no virus, and nothing would change.

 

[Deleted member 4562]

makes no sense, populations in the west are already dwindling. Most goverments, especially the german government, are importing as many migrants from the middle east as possible to increase population. Not decrease it.

Wow it's almost like it's a conspiracy that makes no fucking sense whatsoever and anyone who is against the vaccine is probably a fucking retard.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Wow it's almost like it's a conspiracy that makes no fucking sense whatsoever and anyone who is against the vaccine is probably a fucking retard.

When a government takes away basic human rights and shuts down the entire country + economy, because of a virus with less than 0.1% mortality that mostly affects old and unhealthy people.....

ofcourse it gives perfect breeding ground for conspiracy theories. Because the official story makes absolutely 0 sense. Why the fuck do we have these restrictions. The amount of life quality and economic costs will always outweight a few extra oldcels dieing.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Proof that vaccinations will stop mutations?

And beyond that, why is it my reponsibilty as a healthy young person to sacrifice my health and life quality for old people dieing from natural causes (a flu virus) that choose to live in cities and risk infection?

You could apply your exact argument to old people with healthrisks: Move to the middle of nowhere and you can't get corona.

We have a yearly 'normal flu' epidemic aswell, even before this corona bullshit. Nobody ever cared to impose restrictions because of that. Corona can come back in a mutated form, I don't care, as long as the lockdown doesn't come back. Which is a governmental decision and has nothing to do with the virus.

We could lift restrictions tomorrow and live like there is no virus, and nothing would change.

Yeah bro definitely the same as the normal seasonal virus, not like a lot of countries are in front of a medical collapse from the overwhelming hospitalized cases like India and Brazil, yep those annual medical collapses just happen every year, it's completely normal

 

[Deleted member 1476]

im not an antivaxxer by any means but there has to be consent and trust between public and government. if you dont want to tale it thats your business

 

[boIin]

And beyond that, why is it my reponsibilty as a healthy young person to sacrifice my health and life quality for old people dieing from natural causes (a flu virus) that choose to live in cities and risk infection?

it's called civilization, you need a balance support so everyone would be able to live with as much peace as possible, it's maybe not the best thing for a certain individual but it's a good thing as a whole, for a country.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Yeah bro definitely the same as the normal seasonal virus, not like a lot of countries are in front of a medical collapse from the overwhelming hospitalized cases like India and Brazil, yep those annual medical collapses just happen every year, it's completely normal

There is no medical collapse. In the netherlands we haven't ever been near full medical capacity yet even once this whole pandemic. In the netherlands we haven't even had a single capacity expansion for hospitals, because it's deemed unnecessary since there is enough capacity.

idk what happens in third world countries, they seem to have medical collapses every once in a while regardless of pandemic or not. India is a poor and overpopulated shithole for example.

Next you are going to tell me about medical collapses in Africa when those countries barely even have healthcare

 

[Deleted member 4562]

less than 0.1% mortality that mostly affects old and unhealthy people.....

This number is wrong. You're either stupid or intentionally spreading misinformation. The mortality is 3.4% with the morbidity being higher I'll be ignoring and leaving this thread now since I don't feel like wasting time talking to people who are either stupid or liars

 

[Deleted member 275]

it's called civilization, you need a balance support so everyone would be able to live with as much peace as possible, it's maybe not the best thing for a certain individual but it's a good thing as a whole, for a country.

Nope that's not how it works at all. Riskgroups and oldcels should quarantine and isolate themselves, so that people that want to live can do so.

Your comment reeks of what fascist dictatorships would say to impose x and y brutal restrictions of freedom. But apparantly the whole world has gone mad.

 

[boIin]

This number is wrong. You're either stupid or intentionally spreading misinformation. The mortality is 3.4% with the morbidity being higher I'll be ignoring and leaving this thread now since I don't feel like wasting time talking to people who are either stupid or liars

the problem with those mortality reports is that if someone had cancer + corona and he died couple of weeks later, it's because of corona, not because of the cancer. that's how they X10 those mortality reports and cause panic in the public. what you need to look at is the overall annual mortality rate compare to previous years.

didn't check the link so idk what's in there ngl

 

[TsarTsar444]

There is no medical collapse. In the netherlands we haven't ever been near full medical capacity yet even once this whole pandemic. In the netherlands we haven't even had a single capacity expansion for hospitals, because it's deemed unnecessary since there is enough capacity.

idk what happens in third world countries, they seem to have medical collapses every once in a while regardless of pandemic or not. India is a poor and overpopulated shithole for example.

Next you are going to tell me about medical collapses in Africa when those countries barely even have healthcare

Just because it doesn't happen in first world countries with few millions of people that have enough supplies for now to fight the virus doesn't mean it won't be like that if the virus mutates even more and wrecks havok

And medical collapses like these happening right now in India don't happen ever. Even in alot of poor balkan countries almost all medical facilities are full with covid patients and that never happened

 

[Deleted member 275]

This number is wrong. You're either stupid or intentionally spreading misinformation. The mortality is 3.4% with the morbidity being higher I'll be ignoring and leaving this thread now since I don't feel like wasting time talking to people who are either stupid or liars

Literally from your own link:

But we can calculate it for the entire population under 65 years old (both healthy and unhealthy): with 6,188 deaths (26% of the total deaths in all age groups) occurring in this age group, of which 5,498 deaths (89%) in patients with a known underlying condition, the crude mortality rate to date will correspond to 6,188 / 7,214,525 = 0.09% CMR, or 86 deaths per 100,000 population (compared to 0.28% and 279 deaths per 100,000 for the general population).


Dieing from corona as a 65+ yo should be considered a natural cause of death, period. These people can decide themselves how much they want to protect themselves from possible infection instead of burdening society, which they already do plenty with their extreme healthcare costs and publicly funded pensions.

 

[gamma]

If the ONLY side effect of the vaccine is becoming infertile it's not so bad tbh

 

[Deleted member 4562]

the problem with those mortality reports is that if someone had cancer + corona and he died couple of weeks later, it's because of corona, not because of the cancer. that's how they X10 those mortality reports and cause panic in the public. what you need to look at is the overall annual mortality rate compare to previous years.

didn't check the link so idk what's in there ngl

Yeah, and when you do that, you get the worst year of mortality since 1940

 

[boIin]

Nope that's not how it works at all. Riskgroups and oldcels should quarantine and isolate themselves, so that people that want to live can do so.

Your comment reeks of what fascist dictatorships would say to impose x and y brutal restrictions of freedom. But apparantly the whole world has gone mad.

I think there's good arguments from both sides ngl.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Why they want that we take the vaccine? What's (their) plan?
@Chadlite Rutherford

Are you southern iralian?

 

[Deleted member 275]

Just because it doesn't happen in first world countries with few millions of people that have enough supplies for now to fight the virus doesn't mean it won't be like that if the virus mutates even more and wrecks havok

And medical collapses like these happening right now in India don't happen ever. Even in alot of poor balkan countries almost all medical facilities are full with covid patients and that never happened

That's just baseless speculation though.

India is overpopulated as fuck, and way too poor. Disease, etc. is a natural way to fight overpopulation like that.

Ofcourse that shit happens all the time. How many people died in wars in the balkans in the late 20th century? Mostly young healthy people. How packed were hospitals in the balkans when it was being bombed there and countries were being invaded?

I am pretty sure it was much worse just 25 years ago than it is now. And we didn't impose such brutal restrictions even during war

 

[gamma]

Are you southern iralian?

Northern italian

 

[Deleted member 2632]

Why they want that we take the vaccine? What's (their) plan?
@Chadlite Rutherford

To depopulate the World

The entire immigration of people into European socities was done by Jews to undermine the European race, NOT to account for lower birth rates

Otherwise China and Japan would also be full of Negros and Muslims coming flooded in to make up for their low birth rates

The vaccine is to cause infertility in women, and also it kills off people as well

 

[lutte]

Yeah but your actions to not be vaccinated are harming everyone around you, especially old people

dark triad troll

 

[gamma]

The vaccine is to cause infertility in women

So it doesn't cause infertility in men?

 

[lutte]

If the ONLY side effect of the vaccine is becoming infertile it's not so bad tbh

 

[Deleted member 275]

Yeah, and when you do that, you get the worst year of mortality since 1940

This is the amount of deaths in the netherlands for 5 different years, by week. The big peak in 2018 was caused by 'the regular flu' and it's almost as bad as the corona death peak.

Worst mortality since 1940 seems like total bullshit to me. In the netherlands we have 17.000 corona deaths so far. In the second world war, we had 280.000 deaths. We had half the population back then compared to now, so population-adjusted, that would be 560.000 deaths in today's population numbers.

17.000 corona deaths, mostly old ill people that would've died from another illness/disease within the next 10 years anyways.

VS 560.000 deaths from world war 2. Mostly young healthy people that had their whole lives ahead of them.

Once you look at this virus relatively to mass causes of deaths in human history, this virus is a fucking joke.

 

[Beetlejuice]

 

[Deleted member 2632]

This is the amount of deaths in the netherlands for 5 different years, by week. The big peak in 2018 was caused by 'the regular flu' and it's almost as bad as the corona death peak.

Worst mortality since 1940 seems like total bullshit to me. In the netherlands we have 17.000 corona deaths so far. In the second world war, we had 280.000 deaths. We had half the population back then compared to now, so population-adjusted, that would be 560.000 deaths in today's population numbers.

17.000 corona deaths, mostly old ill people that would've died from another illness/disease within the next 10 years anyways.

VS 560.000 deaths from world war 2. Mostly young healthy people that had their whole lives ahead of them.

Once you look at this virus relatively to mass causes of deaths in human history, this virus is a fucking joke.

Upside-down name Mewtwo is the worst user on this site

 

[R@m@]

low IQ take, not even going to bother to explain why youre wrong

I wasnt expecting this from a good user like him, everybody has retard moments

 

[Deleted member 5809]

The vaccine will shed on you

 

[Uglybrazilian]

In Brazil covid is the main cause of death right now and we already have 400k dead

Yeah anyone who refuses to be vacinated should die imo because I dont want my Mother dead because some lunatic thinks taking a vacine will transform him on a lizard or something

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Low iq, you need to get vaccinated cause you live in society. If you don't want the vaccine, nobody is forcing you to live in a city, go live in Siberia

This tbh, I dont want my Mother dead cause some retard thinks the vaccine is made by the Illuminati or something

 

[Deleted member 2632]

Low iq, you need to get vaccinated cause you live in society. If you don't want the vaccine, nobody is forcing you to live in a city, go live in Siberia

This assumption is based on the non existence evidence that the so called " vaccine " prevents you from catching the virus in the first place to spread to others

In actuality the mRNA shot was never inteded to prevent infection only to reduce symptoms