Germany couldn't have probably won ww2

[Deleted member 87612]

They simply lacked the industry

@Jason Voorhees @Putin @MoggerGaston @Imretarded? @noobs @faustianspirit

 

[shia.jihadist]

if only hitler successfully toppled the order of the elders of zion we would be living in a much different and better world

 

[ProBono]

Water as fuck, but also an insane oversimplification.

 

[Deleted member 87612]

Water as fuck, but also an insane oversimplification.

it was the biggest factor tbh, also lack of resources and hitler taking total control

 

[spongebob]

If he stopped right before Operation Barbarossa, he would've won.

 

[Putin]

tbh there's more reasons
hitler's incompetence
russian frosts (winter)
and Germany overestimated its own forces and underestimated the Russian

 

[Deleted member 95912]

They simply lacked the industry

@Jason Voorhees @Putin @MoggerGaston @Imretarded? @noobs @faustianspirit

This is what this niga thinks about when hes not beating to lolis from #the-gooncave jajaajaj

 

[Deleted member 87612]

This is what this niga thinks about when hes not beating to lolis from #the-gooncave jajaajaj

cope nigga i saw you lurking gooncave today

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Maybe if luftwaffe invaded Dunkirk amd destroyed half a million troops stationed there. Britain would immediately sue for peace and they can fully take on the russian bear.

 

[ProBono]

it was the biggest factor tbh, also lack of resources and hitler taking total control

The premise in and of itself that Germany couldn't have won isn't defined enough

As in decisions the German leadership could have taken? Maybe then the predetermination to lose is true.

Economics is not utterly deterministic though, Germany punching far above it's weight early on in the war is proof of this.

 

[Deleted member 87612]

The premise in and of itself that Germany couldn't have won isn't defined enough

As in decisions the German leadership could have taken? Maybe then the predetermination to lose is true.

Economics is not utterly deterministic though, Germany punching far above it's weight early on in the war is proof of this.

they managed to do that because of shit enemy leadership

 

[ProBono]

they managed to do that because of shit enemy leadership

Yea but shit leadership leads to defeat

France capitulated before it could realise any of its material advantages

 

[Deleted member 87612]

Yea but shit leadership leads to defeat

France capitulated before it could realise any of its material advantages

so germany got lucky to face incompitent enemies

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Maybe if luftwaffe invaded Dunkirk amd destroyed half a million troops stationed there. Britain would immediately sue for peace and they can fully take on the russian bear.

This is the most likely scenario btw. Everything else about germany suddenly getting the atomic bomb, not declaring war on ussr, aliens coming to earth to help germany are fantasy stories.

 

[Gargantuan]

Maybe if luftwaffe invaded Dunkirk amd destroyed half a million troops stationed there. Britain would immediately sue for peace and they can fully take on the russian bear.

Britain should have allied itself with Germany to destroy the USSR and communism, Europe would have been in a much better place right now if that had happened but international Jewry wouldn't allow it.
The whole war was the fault of Britain and France who were desperate to destroy Germany from the start even though the USSR was objectively a far greater threat to all nations.

Hitler never even wanted war with Britain, offered them peace on several occasions and even let them evacuate their troops from Dunkirk.

 

[Deleted member 87612]

Britain should have allied itself with Germany to destroy the USSR and communism, Europe would have been in a much better place right now if that had happened but international Jewry wouldn't allow it.
The whole war was the fault of Britain and France who were desperate to destroy Germany from the start even though the USSR was objectively a far greater threat to all nations.

Hitler never even wanted war with Britain, offered them peace on several occasions and even let them evacuate their troops from Dunkirk.

yeah. hitler would have invaded the soviets in 1940 if it wasnt for france and britain

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Britain should have allied itself with Germany to destroy the USSR and communism, Europe would have been in a much better place right now if that had happened but international Jewry wouldn't allow it.
The whole war was the fault of Britain and France who were desperate to destroy Germany from the start even though the USSR was objectively a far greater threat to all nations.

Hitler never even wanted war with Britain, offered them peace on several occasions and even let them evacuate their troops from Dunkirk.

The main reason Churchill saw them as a threat is because of Nazi Germany's aggressive expansionism, invasion of neighboring countries, and genocidal policies making it a significant threat to Europe. Hitler's regime was not just focused on fighting communism but also on establishing German dominance. His ideology was fundamentally incompatible with British and French democratic values.

 

[Deleted member 87612]

The main reason Churchill saw them as a threat is because of Nazi Germany's aggressive expansionism, invasion of neighboring countries, and genocidal policies making it a significant threat to Europe. Hitler's regime was not just focused on fighting communism but also on establishing German dominance. His ideology was fundamentally incompatible with British and French democratic values.

hitlers whole policy was focused on destroying russia

 

[ProBono]

so germany got lucky to face incompitent enemies

The luck for Germany all centres around one incompetent enemy: the Frenchcels

They led appeasement, failed to intervene with Poland, and failed to adapt to modern tactics of war.

The rest of the war was impossible to win given they had to fight a protracted war without being able to capitulate anybody against such superior industry.

They 'could' have won by actually neutralising any of these major powers from the war through;

-Japan illogically going through the war with Russia route and thus preventing both American lend lease and some Russian reinforcements

-America not intervening(unlikely but possible)

-Britain pre-emptively surrendering(This might not even work JFL, but they did make great progress using the ciphers)

It's hard to say, I'd wager they would have lost the war even if D-Day never happened, so it all hinges on the Soviets

 

[Deleted member 87612]

The luck for Germany all centres around one incompetent enemy: the Frenchcels

They led appeasement, failed to intervene with Poland, and failed to adapt to modern tactics of war.

The rest of the war was impossible to win given they had to fight a protracted war without being able to capitulate anybody against such superior industry.

They 'could' have won by actually neutralising any of these major powers from the war through;

-Japan illogically going through the war with Russia route and thus preventing both American lend lease and some Russian reinforcements

-America not intervening(unlikely but possible)

-Britain pre-emptively surrendering(This might not even work JFL, but they did make great progress using the ciphers)

It's hard to say, I'd wager they would have lost the war even if D-Day never happened, so it all hinges on the Soviets

they could have even prevented rhineland

 

[ProBono]

they could have even prevented rhineland

Yea honestly Jews should be terrorising Paris

If I was a Jew I'd despise the French for being such greycels and getting my family gassed

 

[Jason Voorhees]

hitlers whole policy was focused on destroying russia

his ambitions extended well beyond just the USSR. Hitler's broader goals, outlined in Mein Kampf .

-Lebensraum (Living Space):Hitler sought to expand German territory, particularly eastward into Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, to provide living space for the growing Aryan population.

Racial Ideology: His policies were deeply rooted in racial superiority, especially towards Jews, Slavs, and other ethnic groups

He wanted complete german dominance

 

[Deleted member 87612]

his ambitions extended well beyond just the USSR. Hitler's broader goals, outlined in Mein Kampf .

-Lebensraum (Living Space):Hitler sought to expand German territory, particularly eastward into Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, to provide living space for the growing Aryan population.

Racial Ideology: His policies were deeply rooted in racial superiority, especially towards Jews, Slavs, and other ethnic groups

He wanted complete german dominance

yeah he only wanted to destroy russia and poland

 

[Gargantuan]

The main reason Churchill saw them as a threat is because of Nazi Germany's aggressive expansionism, invasion of neighboring countries, and genocidal policies making it a significant threat to Europe. Hitler's regime was not just focused on fighting communism but also on establishing German dominance. Hitler's ideology was fundamentally incompatible with British and French democratic values.

I've always found the Western powers' stance incredibly ironic since they ostensibly declared war on Germany to protect Poland when the USSR also invaded Poland as well as Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and northern Romania.
They also ran the Comintern which strived towards overthrowing all non-communist regimes worldwide.
And at the end of the war, they turned over Poland to the USSR, who had butchered their leaders at Katyn and would go on to enslave them for half a century, so much for protecting Polish freedom and integrity jfl.

I believe that the supposed genocidal policies of Germany are also vastly blown out of proportion.
They only really targeted Jews/communists and never intended to genocide Slavic people, for example.

The systemic genocide of Ukrainians during the Holodomor seems more damning than anything Germany ever did.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I've always found the Western powers' stance incredibly ironic since they ostensibly declared war on Germany to protect Poland when the USSR also invaded Poland as well as Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and northern Romania.
They also ran the Comintern which strived towards overthrowing all non-communist regimes worldwide.
And at the end of the war, they turned over Poland to the USSR, who had butchered their leaders at Katyn and would go on to enslave them for half a century, so much for protecting Polish freedom and integrity jfl.

I believe that the supposed genocidal policies of Germany are also vastly blown out of proportion.
They only really targeted Jews/communists and never intended to genocide Slavic people, for example.

The systemic genocide of Ukrainians during the Holodomor seems more damning than anything Germany ever did.

That is true. Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that
had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union indeed carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples people were literally slaughtered but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did these western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

 

[Gargantuan]

That is true. Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union indeed carried out brutal actions, including the invasionand the Katyn massacre but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did these western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

1 common denominator

 

[Deleted member 87612]

1 common denominator
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why cant i send videos on org?

 

[qazw]

Germany could've won if they allied with UK and France but there's no alternative universe where that would've happened

 

[Gargantuan]

why cant i send videos on org?

Works for me

 

[WhoTookVendetta]

This is what this niga thinks about when hes not beating to lolis from #the-gooncave jajaajaj

ok tranny

 

[Deleted member 87612]

Works for me
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i have never been able to, dafuq?

can you enable it somehow?

 

[Deleted member 95912]

ok tranny

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[Gargantuan]

i have never been able to, dafuq?

can you enable it somehow?

You gotta click on 'Attach files', select the file, and once the file has been uploaded, click on 'Insert', should work.

 

[Deleted member 87612]

You gotta click on 'Attach files', select the file, and once the file has been uploaded, click on 'Insert', should work.

thanks

 

[infini]

Don’t bother reading anyone else on this unless you wish to rot. Simply put the common sense was that Germany started and tried to persist a conflict on both fronts. They had the best or most of everything however they didn’t invest or learn from Napoleon enough to tackle the hardest target, Russia, first.

 

[Islandboyo]

Jason Voorhess in here spewing jew/western propaganda like a good little goy. Literally none of what he says is based in reality

Sad!

 

[Putin]

That is true. Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that
had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union indeed carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples people were literally slaughtered but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did these western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

I've always found the Western powers' stance incredibly ironic since they ostensibly declared war on Germany to protect Poland when the USSR also invaded Poland as well as Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and northern Romania.
They also ran the Comintern which strived towards overthrowing all non-communist regimes worldwide.
And at the end of the war, they turned over Poland to the USSR, who had butchered their leaders at Katyn and would go on to enslave them for half a century, so much for protecting Polish freedom and integrity jfl.

I believe that the supposed genocidal policies of Germany are also vastly blown out of proportion.
They only really targeted Jews/communists and never intended to genocide Slavic people, for example.

The systemic genocide of Ukrainians during the Holodomor seems more damning than anything Germany ever did.

what a wierd anti-Soviet propaganda niggas
The USSR has nothing to do with the Katyn massacre, and the HOLODOMOR is nonsense, in those years there was just a bad harvest

 

[TsarTsar444]

I've always found the Western powers' stance incredibly ironic since they ostensibly declared war on Germany to protect Poland when the USSR also invaded Poland as well as Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and northern Romania.
They also ran the Comintern which strived towards overthrowing all non-communist regimes worldwide.
And at the end of the war, they turned over Poland to the USSR, who had butchered their leaders at Katyn and would go on to enslave them for half a century, so much for protecting Polish freedom and integrity jfl.

I believe that the supposed genocidal policies of Germany are also vastly blown out of proportion.
They only really targeted Jews/communists and never intended to genocide Slavic people, for example.

The systemic genocide of Ukrainians during the Holodomor seems more damning than anything Germany ever did.

That is true. Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that
had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union indeed carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples people were literally slaughtered but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did these western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

Nonsensical posts. The reason why UK and France didn't declare war on the USSR is because it would have been an antartic tier iq move to have a war with both Germany and USSR at the same time even individually but much more likely would have caused an actual unholy alliance between Germany and the Soviets until they obliterate the French and Anglos. Even officially the agreement with Poland wasn't a general one, it was specifically made against Germany not the USSR. Also parts of Finland, the Baltic states and Moldova were eaten by the USSR after ww2 has started

 

[Imretarded?]

Maybe if luftwaffe invaded Dunkirk amd destroyed half a million troops stationed there. Britain would immediately sue for peace and they can fully take on the russian bear.

Yeah lol.

Hitler thought he could just politic his way out of ww2 there by letting brits go.

Also people forget that Britain was critically low in fucking everything at the time. For example, the british just hastily designed a ripoff of the MP18 to serve as their machine guns.

If Germany just did a massive mass slaughter of british troops and drop a billion paper notes on london saying in plane english 'we killed 500'000 british lives in a single day because your leaders are retarded, give up or die', UK would have mass riots and peace would be sued.

Also OP's original argument that they simply lacked the industry only applies when the USA entered the war because Hitler fucking declared war on them to please the japanese even though this lends zero fucking strategic benefits. Japan can't attack USSR or Britain. You declaring on USA just makes it so FDR doesn't have to convince the American public and congress to fight a two front war, something they couldn't do. If you want extra chance of it not happening, hitler could have instead did a speech in English all like 'i don't usually speech in english but I want to send my message loud and clear to my aryan brothers in America that Germany wants to support your war of defence against the mongoloids, we declare war on Japan and will send support (token support) to you if Britain ends blockade'.

If hitler did that second thing, the joos would be shitting and cumming at this 200 IQ play bringing US into the axis.

 

[MaghrebGator]

People focus too much on the western front.

It is estimated that 85% of german casualties were on the eastern front (USSR), the rest is pure propaganda.

 

[Mewton]

And Now Germany is the second greatest ally of kikes after US. Holy cuck. How times change

 

[Gargantuan]

Nonsensical posts. The reason why UK and France didn't declare war on the USSR is because it would have been an antartic tier iq move to have a war with both Germany and USSR at the same time even individually but much more likely would have caused an actual unholy alliance between Germany and the Soviets until they obliterate the French and Anglos. Even officially the agreement with Poland wasn't a general one, it was specifically made against Germany not the USSR. Also parts of Finland, the Baltic states and Moldova were eaten by the USSR after ww2 has started

Well, they should have. Because even if all of what you're saying is true, it was still utterly retarded from Britain and France to fight Germany instead of fighting the USSR since Germany had done nothing to threaten or harm these countries.
The only country Hiter wanted to destroy was the USSR, which he rightly recognized as the greatest threat not just to Germany but to all of Western Europe and by extension, the entire Western world.
Of course, the whole agreement with Poland was never about protecting Poland; it was about justifying a war with Germany.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Well, they should have. Because even if all of what you're saying is true, it was still utterly retarded from Britain and France to fight Germany instead of fighting the USSR since Germany had done nothing to threaten or harm these countries.
The only country Hiter wanted to destroy was the USSR, which he rightly recognized as the greatest threat not just to Germany but to all of Western Europe and by extension, the entire Western world.
Of course, the whole agreement with Poland was never about protecting Poland; it was about justifying a war with Germany.

How on earth and why would they fight the USSR? You do actually realize that the UK and France were liberal democratic states who needed major support from their people and assemblies to wage a war with a country right? Are you presuming here that they should have just randomly have declared war against the USSR in like what, 1936? 1938? It wouldn't make any sense, this isn't how politics works. Stalin kept the USSR very silent geopolitically before 1939 so as to not cause any international problems with great powers, something that Germany failed to do.
Not to mentioned they already had failed brutally in stopping the USSR 20 years prior

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War - Wikipedia

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Germany had done nothing to threaten or harm these countries.
The only country Hiter wanted to destroy was the USSR

Utter cope

Occupation of Czechoslovakia (1938–1945) - Wikipedia

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Germany first annexed Austria and the great powers let them because Austrians are Germans anyways. Then they let them occupy the Sudetland for the same reason. But the third time Germany in an unhinged fashion straight up occupied Czechia fully (an ally of France btw) and this was obviously the last straw, and they still had the nerve to want to continue their expansion with Gdansk and somehow you are wondering why Germany had to be stopped?
Keep in mind this is the same country that just lost a war 20 years ago and the UK and France were still appeasing them.

The USSR only did their moves after Germany was at war with the West

 

[Gargantuan]

How on earth and why would they fight the USSR? You do actually realize that the UK and France were liberal democratic states who needed major support from their people and assemblies to wage a war with a country right? Are you presuming here that they should have just randomly have declared war against the USSR in like what, 1936? 1938? It wouldn't make any sense, this isn't how politics works. Stalin kept the USSR very silent geopolitically before 1939 so as to not cause any international problems with great powers, something that Germany failed to do.
Not to mentioned they already had failed brutally in stopping the USSR 20 years prior

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You do realise that the USSR was planning to invade Western Europe even before Germany launched Operation Barbarossa, right?
Hitler actually saved Western Europe from communism by striking the USSR pre-emptively. Hell, if Hitler had never managed to rise to power, the Red Army would've steamrolled through all of Europe without any issue in no time because that was their goal all along.

Utter cope

Occupation of Czechoslovakia (1938–1945) - Wikipedia

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Germany first annexed Austria and the great powers let them because Austrians are Germans anyways. Then they let them occupy the Sudetland for the same reason. But the third time Germany in an unhinged fashion straight up occupied Czechia fully (an ally of France btw) and this was obviously the last straw, and they still had the nerve to want to continue their expansion with Gdansk and somehow you are wondering why Germany had to be stopped?
Keep in mind this is the same country that just lost a war 20 years ago and the UK and France were still appeasing them.

The USSR only did their moves after Germany was at war with the West

So 2 counts of perfectly reasonable instances of the Germans taking back territory that had always included Germans historically and suddenly annexing Czechia becomes the last straw? Lmao.
It was the same with Poland, much of which had always been German territory.
Besides the Poles had been massacring ethnic Germans in Danzig in the lead-up to the German invasion of Poland.
What was Hitler supposed to do, look on and watch as his people were getting slaughtered?

 

[Deleted member 87612]

You do realise that the USSR was planning to invade Western Europe even before Germany launched Operation Barbarossa, right?
Hitler actually saved Western Europe from communism by striking the USSR pre-emptively. Hell, if Hitler had never managed to rise to power, the Red Army would've steamrolled through all of Europe without any issue in no time because that was their goal all along.

So 2 counts of perfectly reasonable instances of the Germans taking back territory that had always included Germans historically and suddenly annexing Czechia becomes the last straw? Lmao.
It was the same with Poland, much of which had always been German territory.
Besides the Poles had been massacring ethnic Germans in Danzig in the lead-up to the German invasion of Poland.
What was Hitler supposed to do, look on and watch as his people were getting slaughtered?

poland saved europe from communism in the soviet polish war of the 1920s, the soviet plan was to conquer germany and spread communism to the whole continent

 

[TsarTsar444]

You do realise that the USSR was planning to invade Western Europe even before Germany launched Operation Barbarossa, right?
Hitler actually saved Western Europe from communism by striking the USSR pre-emptively. Hell, if Hitler had never managed to rise to power, the Red Army would've steamrolled through all of Europe without any issue in no time because that was their goal all along.

So 2 counts of perfectly reasonable instances of the Germans taking back territory that had always included Germans historically and suddenly annexing Czechia becomes the last straw? Lmao.
It was the same with Poland, much of which had always been German territory.
Besides the Poles had been massacring ethnic Germans in Danzig in the lead-up to the German invasion of Poland.
What was Hitler supposed to do, look on and watch as his people were getting slaughtered?

Not quite true, that was Trotsky who was an internationalist and wanted the Soviets to conquer the whole world, Stalin was much more isolationist and pragmatic. There was no statement from Stalin and his party which claimed they want to conquer Western Europe.
Hitler didn't save Western Europe, he also wanted to get square with the French as well because of ww1 as a second priority after communist USSR, it was only the brits with who he wanted an alliance.

Those 2 reasonable instances you talked about would make sense in a context outside of the one we got. Germany was just 20 years prior an enemy of France and the UK, killed over 1 million French people and devasted the French countryside while Germany itself never got touched during the war even though it could have. Even after this France let them absorb Austria and Sudetland. Yet still, you couldn't give me an answer for the annexation of Czechia which happened because of the strong arms industry of that country which signaled to UK and France that Germany wasn't only in this for recovering german ethnic land but also for purely pragmatic economic expansionist reasons. If Germany got Danzig hypothetically their next plan was to fully annex Slovenia which was back then part of Yugoslavia. They would never stop until most of Europe was under them, and you expect France to be fine with this?

 

[Gargantuan]

Not quite true, that was Trotsky who was an internationalist and wanted the Soviets to conquer the whole world, Stalin was much more isolationist and pragmatic. There was no statement from Stalin and his party which claimed they want to conquer Western Europe.
Hitler didn't save Western Europe, he also wanted to get square with the French as well because of ww1 as a second priority after communist USSR, it was only the brits with who he wanted an alliance.

It was absolutely the case that the USSR wanted to invade and conquer Western Europe. Stalin had been building up a massive attack force on the Western USSR poised to invade the West.
This is confirmed in document nr.103202/06 which revealed that Stalin was preparing to invade Western Europe in July 1941 in a massive invasion called Operation Groza.
The document dates back to September 1940, three months before Operation Barbarossa was signed and has been admitted by several Russian historians and former Soviet army intelligence officers:

Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Igor Bunich - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Because how else could the Germans be so successful in the initial stages of their invasion? It's pretty obvious since the USSR, who were about to undertake a massive offensive war themselves, were simply not prepared to fight a defensive war instead.
So yeah, Hitler did save the West because if he had not invaded the USSR in June of 1941, Stalin would have done the same in July of that year.

Those 2 reasonable instances you talked about would make sense in a context outside of the one we got. Germany was just 20 years prior an enemy of France and the UK, killed over 1 million French people and devasted the French countryside while Germany itself never got touched during the war even though it could have. Even after this France let them absorb Austria and Sudetland. Yet still, you couldn't give me an answer for the annexation of Czechia which happened because of the strong arms industry of that country which signaled to UK and France that Germany wasn't only in this for recovering german ethnic land but also for purely pragmatic economic expansionist reasons. If Germany got Danzig hypothetically their next plan was to fully annex Slovenia which was back then part of Yugoslavia. They would never stop until most of Europe was under them, and you expect France to be fine with this?

Well because it was still mostly about ethnic Germans residing there? After WW1 they forced the German-speaking regions of Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian Silesia into the new state of Czechoslovakia. This led to the incorporation of 3.5 million Germans into Czechoslovakia, against their will, without any provision for self-determination.
Hitler’s goal was not necessarily annexation but greater autonomy for Germans within Czechoslovakia as he wished for all ethnic Germans.

 

[Gargantuan]

poland saved europe from communism in the soviet polish war of the 1920s, the soviet plan was to conquer germany and spread communism to the whole continent

Poland also saved Europe from communism yeah, that is true.
However, the Red Army was very weak in the 1920s and couldn't do much against Europe at the time.

In June of 1941, the Red Army had 300 divisions, 5 million soldiers and 27,500 tanks.
If it wasn't for Nazi Germany, that army would have easily overran the already destabilized regimes of Western Europe at the time.

 

[Deleted member 87612]

It was absolutely the case that the USSR wanted to invade and conquer Western Europe. Stalin had been building up a massive attack force on the Western USSR poised to invade the West.
This is confirmed in document nr.103202/06 which revealed that Stalin was preparing to invade Western Europe in July 1941 in a massive invasion called Operation Groza.
The document dates back to September 1940, three months before Operation Barbarossa was signed and has been admitted by several Russian historians and former Soviet army intelligence officers:

Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Igor Bunich - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Because how else could the Germans be so successful in the initial stages of their invasion? It's pretty obvious since the USSR, who were about to undertake a massive offensive war themselves, were simply not prepared to fight a defensive war instead.
So yeah, Hitler did save the West because if he had not invaded the USSR in June of 1941, Stalin would have done the same in July of that year.

Well because it was still mostly about ethnic Germans residing there? After WW1 they forced the German-speaking regions of Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian Silesia into the new state of Czechoslovakia. This led to the incorporation of 3.5 million Germans into Czechoslovakia, against their will, without any provision for self-determination.
Hitler’s goal was not necessarily annexation but greater autonomy for Germans within Czechoslovakia as he wished for all ethnic Germans.

the russians had no such force ready. the operation was a mere war game and the new officers wouldnt have even been ready until 1943. but i think on a longer timescale stalin wanted to attack the west

 

[Deleted member 87612]

Poland also saved Europe from communism yeah, that is true.
However, the Red Army was very weak in the 1920s and couldn't do much against Europe at the time.

In June of 1941, the Red Army had 300 divisions, 5 million soldiers and 27,500 tanks.
If it wasn't for Nazi Germany, that army would have easily overran the already destabilized regimes of Western Europe at the time.

where do you get these hoi4 tier numbers from jfl