Getting surgery in 8 months, need guidance deciding what and where

[loosemoose262]

I’m going to do it. I need your help picking me apart and spending where to spend my money.
My assessment of my biggest flaws
1) negative hooding (really lost how to fix this)
2) lack of under eye support
3) NCT
4) probably missing something

Surgeon recommendations would also be huge. Traveling or United States.

My top options right now:
1) Upper and lower blephoplasty, thinking I need more eye fat on the outer corners of my upper eye to fix negative hooding?
2) Canthoplasty
3) Upper lip fat graft (although I heard this hardly works).

Less recovery needed is ideal to minimize social consequences, but if its worth it it’s worth it

 

[zemult]

Nigga is that chin edited??? And ur browridge area???

If it's not those are your biggest flaws fuck everything else lol

 

[kiannnn]

I’m going to do it. I need your help picking me apart and spending where to spend my money.
My assessment of my biggest flaws
1) negative hooding (really lost how to fix this)
2) lack of under eye support
3) NCT
4) probably missing something

Surgeon recommendations would also be huge. Traveling or United States.

My top options right now:
1) Upper and lower blephoplasty, thinking I need more eye fat on the outer corners of my upper eye to fix negative hooding?
2) Canthoplasty
3) Upper lip fat graft (although I heard this hardly works).

Less recovery needed is ideal to minimize social consequences, but if its worth it it’s worth itView attachment 4797517View attachment 4797518View attachment 4797520View attachment 4797521View attachment 4797523

holy shit what an ogre chin

 

[geenk worg]

Chin setback before anything else. Holy macrognatia

 

[loosemoose262]

Chin setback before anything else. Holy macrognatia

I like my lower 3rd. Looking for eye area stuff

 

[loosemoose262]

Nigga is that chin edited??? And ur browridge area???

If it's not those are your biggest flaws fuck everything else lol

Doesn’t make sense for me. Why would I want less growth/mass there? It has appeal. My eyes just suck.

 

[loosemoose262]

holy shit what an ogre chin

I don’t think it’s an issue, looks in line with my lips. Thanks for the advice though

 

[zemult]

I like my lower 3rd. Looking for eye area stuff

 

[zemult]

View attachment 4798809I don’t think it’s an issue, looks in line with my lips. Thanks for the advice though

Not at all.

Keep in mind, this line is supposed to be nearly touching your lips.

 

[vermicel]

looks in line with my lips.

Not at all.

While his protruding chin is the first feature that caught my eye and qualifies as an objective flaw, I gotta say it works quite well with the rest of his face ; he's got a strong jawline, voluminous cheekbones (they would stand out more if he were leaner), and a good brow ridge.
He seems to be enrolled in the army, so this hypermasc look seems congruent with his career path and would work in his favour more often than not.
I understand why he's unbothered and wants to keep it as it is.

Surgeon recommendations would also be huge. Traveling or United States.

I have read every thread published here these past 5 months, so you won't get many more surgeon recommendations than the following 3 ... unless you dig deeper, or do your own research on other websites — I advise in particular to find public or private Facebook groups dedicated to oculoplastics in the US, or more generally plastic surgery in the US, and to then corroborate the info with Reddit r/plasticsurgery and other sources.

Dr. Ivan Vrcek (Dallas, Texas)
Dr. Raymond Douglas (Beverly Hills, California)
Dr. Deepak Ramesh (Somerset, New Jersey)

Douglas & Ramesh have been praised recently here for their experience with orbital decompression. It's a niche and complex surgery (one you don't need). So their ability to carry more common procedures could be trusted. Have a consultation with them and see what they recommend in your personal case. If you're recommended a very ordinary procedure that doesn't require any special skill, you might as well consider other oculoplastic surgeons whose location might be more convenient to you and whose fees might be lower.

 

[zemult]

While his protruding chin is the first feature that caught my eye and qualifies as an objective flaw, I gotta say it works quite well with the rest of his face ; he's got a strong jawline, voluminous cheekbones (they would stand out more if he were leaner), and a good brow ridge.
He seems to be enrolled in the army, so this hypermasc look seems congruent with his career path and would work in his favour more often than not.
I understand why he's unbothered and wants to keep it as it is.

I understand you mean well but you've genuinely lost your mind if you think it harmonizes at all with his face. Majority of women will look at his side profile in disgust. His face is far from "hypermasc" even.

Considering you yourself already have a strong chin but seek even more chin projection, you should really re-evaluate your ideas of aesthetics before you become a botch job. His "good browridge" is also Neanderthal tier.

 

[loosemoose262]

I understand you mean well but you've genuinely lost your mind if you think it harmonizes at all with his face. Majority of women will look at his side profile in disgust. His face is far from "hypermasc" even.

Considering you yourself already have a strong chin but seek even more chin projection, you should really re-evaluate your ideas of aesthetics before you become a botch job. His "good browridge" is also Neanderthal tier.

Maybe you’re misconstrued- My reality with appeal has been just fine. Even being a socially awkward autist that doesn’t approach women I’ve been asked out, pulled around 10-15 likes a day on hinge when I used it from women who were decent. Consistently in a relationship. Not Stacy slaying by any means but clearly enough to get what I want. I’ve made it far from my starting point, I’m doing this for the love of the game.

 

[loosemoose262]

While his protruding chin is the first feature that caught my eye and qualifies as an objective flaw, I gotta say it works quite well with the rest of his face ; he's got a strong jawline, voluminous cheekbones (they would stand out more if he were leaner), and a good brow ridge.
He seems to be enrolled in the army, so this hypermasc look seems congruent with his career path and would work in his favour more often than not.
I understand why he's unbothered and wants to keep it as it is.


I have read every thread published here these past 5 months, so you won't get many more surgeon recommendations than the following 3 ... unless you dig deeper, or do your own research on other websites — I advise in particular to find public or private Facebook groups dedicated to oculoplastics in the US, or more generally plastic surgery in the US, and to then corroborate the info with Reddit r/plasticsurgery and other sources.

Dr. Ivan Vrcek (Dallas, Texas)
Dr. Raymond Douglas (Beverly Hills, California)
Dr. Deepak Ramesh (Somerset, New Jersey)

Douglas & Ramesh have been praised recently here for their experience with orbital decompression. It's a niche and complex surgery (one you don't need). So their ability to carry more common procedures could be trusted. Have a consultation with them and see what they recommend in your personal case. If you're recommended a very ordinary procedure that doesn't require any special skill, you might as well consider other oculoplastic surgeons whose location might be more convenient to you and whose fees might be lower.

Genuinely good recommendations, thank you for the time and effort you put into this reply brother

 

[zemult]

Maybe you’re misconstrued- My reality with appeal has been just fine. Even being a socially awkward autist that doesn’t approach women I’ve been asked out, pulled around 10-15 likes a day on hinge when I used it from women who were decent. Consistently in a relationship. Not Stacy slaying by any means but clearly enough to get what I want. I’ve made it far from my starting point, I’m doing this for the love of the game.

Pulling likes on hinge doesn't mean much when they only see a cherry-picked front facing view of your face.

 

[Legend08]

Doesn’t make sense for me. Why would I want less growth/mass there? It has appeal. My eyes just suck.

More projection doesn't mean that it looks better your chin is way out of the ideal range and its your worst flaw so you should focus on that before anything else

 

[vermicel]

I understand you mean well but you've genuinely lost your mind if you think it harmonizes at all with his face. Majority of women will look at his side profile in disgust. His face is far from "hypermasc" even.

Considering you yourself already have a strong chin but seek even more chin projection, you should really re-evaluate your ideas of aesthetics before you become a botch job. His "good browridge" is also Neanderthal tier.

You may mean well too, but you're off the mark.

Read again the first sentence of my post : " While his protruding chin [...] qualifies as an objective flaw [...]" ... I acknowledged right away his chin as a flaw ; my point was that, despite being an objective flaw, I could see how it may not be as problematic as you make it out to be, because [1] the rest of his facial bone structure is strong [2] his daily environment (Army) would favor this flaw rather than the opposite.

I also tend to believe that it may not stand out as much in motion.
Ironically, you do exactly what you later blamed him to do : cherry-picking a certain facial angle. You are focusing all your attention on the second picture in the OP, which is indeed the worst of the bunch. But these motionless angle & lighting are not how people perceive him in reality.

Your comment about a "majority of women looking at his side profile in disgust" is outrageous and moronic. Despite him telling you that he's been consistently in relationships, you doubled-down with another petty take about Hinge ... who cares about Hinge when he's having actual relationships in real life disproving your claim ? Do women IRL only see the so-called "cherry-picked front facing view of his face" ?

If not "hypermasc", then his face is at least very dymorphic. Maybe the nuance is lost on me, because that means more or less the same to me. This is a very dymorphic face in my opinion :

Yes, I even included 2 side profile pictures ... which are not as bad as the one you've been focusing on (angles, lighting, yadi yada).
Anyway, if you disagree with this face being very masculine, please explain me why. His rather weak facial hair maybe ?

Finally, I don't know why you feel the need to drag my personal case into this, as if I'm obsessed with huge chins and want everyone to grow one if you had paid attention, most of my morphs for other users tend to (or try to) respect the ideal range of lateral projection, taking into account classic lip assessments (the S-line in particular).
Besides, I already told you in my own thread that the morph in the OP was unideal and not representing my actual surgical goal (but it can't be edited out, unfortunately). I don't want more lateral projection for my chin, which, by the way, is nowhere near comparable to this guy's (no macrogenia for me).
That said, I appreciate your concern for my well-being, and I assure you that my intention is not to go overboard with a crimson chin.

Spoiler: disgusting reminder of my chin

Here's a morph setting back his chin and brow ridge that will hopefully bring you some aesthetic relief :

(yeah ... DNR, I know)

 

[zemult]

I also tend to believe that it may not stand out as much in motion.
Ironically, you do exactly what you later blamed him to do : cherry-picking a certain facial angle. You are focusing all your attention on the second picture in the OP, which is indeed the worst of the bunch. But these motionless angle & lighting are not how people perceive him in reality.

Your comment about a "majority of women looking at his side profile in disgust" is outrageous and moronic. Despite him telling you that he's been consistently in relationships, you doubled-down with another petty take about Hinge ... who cares about Hinge when he's having actual relationships in real life disproving your claim ? Do women IRL only see the so-called "cherry-picked front facing view of his face" ?

Lmfao I'm not "cherry picking" angles, it's his entire side view of his face because he has FAR TOO MUCH CHIN PROJECTION.

This level of dishonesty just to fulfill your ogre acromegaly fantasies.

Yes, I even included 2 side profile pictures ... which are not as bad as the one you've been focusing on (angles, lighting, yadi yada).
Anyway, if you disagree with this face being very masculine, please explain me why. His rather weak facial hair maybe ?

Narrow mouth, low PFL, low eye aspect ratio, low FWHR.

His face overall trends masculine because of his chin, jaw width, and overall bone mass, but he's far from "hyper masculine" JFL

Yes, I even included 2 side profile pictures ... which are not as bad as the one you've been focusing on (angles, lighting, yadi yada).
Anyway, if you disagree with this face being very masculine, please explain me why. His rather weak facial hair maybe ?

Finally, I don't know why you feel the need to drag my personal case into this, as if I'm obsessed with huge chins and want everyone to grow one if you had paid attention, most of my morphs for other users tend to (or try to) respect the ideal range of lateral projection, taking into account classic lip assessments (the S-line in particular).
Besides, I already told you in my own thread that the morph in the OP was unideal and not representing my actual surgical goal (but it can't be edited out, unfortunately). I don't want more lateral projection for my chin, which, by the way, is nowhere near comparable to this guy's (no macrogenia for me).
That said, I appreciate your concern for my well-being, and I assure you that my intention is not to go overboard with a crimson chin.

Spoiler: disgusting reminder of my chin

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Here's a morph setting back his chin and brow ridge that will hopefully bring you some aesthetic relief :

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(yeah ... DNR, I know)

The fact you can't even see the extreme macrogenia in his side profile photos that you've provided yourself proves my point.

You are mentally ill. Nobody thinks you will benefit from a genio. And nobody besides you & OP think the crimson chin should stay.

People like you are part of the reason people get botched.

 

[Foreverbrad]

What would chin reduction do to his TFCA though? One of my favourite metrics for side profile.

Guy has more bone in his mandible than my whole skull, some people have all the luck.

 

[vermicel]

he has FAR TOO MUCH CHIN PROJECTION

I never said the contrary. You're the one being dishonest or misconstruing my point(s).

Narrow mouth, low PFL, low eye aspect ratio, low FWHR.

His mouth to nose width ratio is approx 1.4 ; on the narrow side, but still within the ideal range (depending on which range you refer to ...). Though it may appear narrower if you focus on its relation with the bigonial width.

Well, he came on here to fix his eyes, so maybe the PFL and EAR have something to do with it, consciously or not. I didn't know these ratios could degrade his dymorphism though.

The low FWHR didn't jump out to me, but I'll trust you with it (cba to measure it).

His face overall trends masculine because of his chin, jaw width, and overall bone mass, but he's far from "hyper masculine" JFL

That's the general impression I get when looking at his face, perhaps because my brain instinctly focuses on the contour/outlines/relief instead of analyzing his PFL, FWHR, and other details.

The fact you can't even see the extreme macrogenia in his side profile photos that you've provided yourself proves my point.

I saw it, acknowledged it, so your point is moot and you sound desperate to be right.

You are mentally ill.

Thank you again for another free psychiatric assessment.

Nobody thinks you will benefit from a genio.

I do. And maybe the surgeons I'll be consulting soon will do too after observing my face in person, with CBCT scans to back it up.
My chin height is asymmetric and a bit deficient, which you can't see on the pics posted in my thread. Can it be reasonably fixed with a surgery ? I don't know yet.

People like you are part of the reason people get botched.

Says the guy who, in this thread, pushes HARD an insecurity on another man who said he was perfectly fine with the feature in question (his chin).
While I tell the same guy that it's ok if he's unbothered, and recommends him to consult with several elite surgeons about the feature he's actually concerned about (his eyes).

You're a moron and a psycho.

 

[zemult]

I never said the contrary. You're the one being dishonest or misconstruing my point(s).



His mouth to nose width ratio is approx 1.4 ; on the narrow side, but still within the ideal range (depending on which range you refer to ...). Though it may appear narrower if you focus on its relation with the bigonial width.

Well, he came on here to fix his eyes, so maybe the PFL and EAR have something to do with it, consciously or not. I didn't know these ratios could degrade his dymorphism though.

The low FWHR didn't jump out to me, but I'll trust you with it (cba to measure it).



That's the general impression I get when looking at his face, perhaps because my brain instinctly focuses on the contour/outlines/relief instead of analyzing his PFL, FWHR, and other details.


I saw it, acknowledged it, so your point is moot and you sound desperate to be right.



Thank you again for another free psychiatric assessment.


I do. And maybe the surgeons I'll be consulting soon will do too after observing my face in person, with CBCT scans to back it up.
My chin height is asymmetric and a bit deficient, which you can't see on the pics posted in my thread. Can it be reasonably fixed with a surgery ? I don't know yet.




Says the guy who, in this thread, pushes HARD an insecurity on another man who said he was perfectly fine with the feature in question (his chin).
While I tell the same guy that it's ok if he's unbothered, and recommends him to consult with several elite surgeons about the feature he's actually concerned about (his eyes).

You're a moron and a psycho.

You're beyond saving.

Go ahead and be a botch job. You'll be wishing you listened to me in a few years.

Everyone knows exactly what you're trying to do when you virtue signal OP.

 

[loosemoose262]

Lmfao I'm not "cherry picking" angles, it's his entire side view of his face because he has FAR TOO MUCH CHIN PROJECTION.

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This level of dishonesty just to fulfill your ogre acromegaly fantasies.


Narrow mouth, low PFL, low eye aspect ratio, low FWHR.

His face overall trends masculine because of his chin, jaw width, and overall bone mass, but he's far from "hyper masculine" JFL


The fact you can't even see the extreme macrogenia in his side profile photos that you've provided yourself proves my point.

You are mentally ill. Nobody thinks you will benefit from a genio. And nobody besides you & OP think the crimson chin should stay.

People like you are part of the reason people get botched.

Hey man, I appreciate the effort you put into the reply, and i appreciate your opinion, but I came here for advice to fix my eye area.

I’ve had multiple people, including faceIQ and others, tell me my lower third is very good, and I am happy with the amount of bonemass I have there, and girls seem to like it. On the other hand, I’ve been told by many people and under my own analysis, that my eye area sucks. I’ve never really liked it, and the hooding makes me look retarded unless I constantly make an effort to open my eyes to the maximum. I’ve decided I’m going to do something about it… so I was looking for help with that.

if you have any feedback on it, that would be nice.

 

[zemult]

Hey man, I appreciate the effort you put into the reply, and i appreciate your opinion, but I came here for advice to fix my eye area.

I’ve had multiple people, including faceIQ and others, tell me my lower third is very good, and I am happy with the amount of bonemass I have there, and girls seem to like it. On the other hand, I’ve been told by many people and under my own analysis, that my eye area sucks. I’ve never really liked it, and the hooding makes me look retarded unless I constantly make an effort to open my eyes to the maximum. I’ve decided I’m going to do something about it… so I was looking for help with that.

if you have any feedback on it, that would be nice.

Your chin is objectively your biggest flaw, followed by your brow ridge.

The brow ridge isn't easily fixable, so I would just accept that flaw. However your chin is easily fixable via a chin setback surgery (make sure your chin height remains around the same though)

From the front it's not really noticeable and arguably it does give you a more masculine frontal view (I'm assuming these frontal pictures aren't frauded to hide any excess chin height).

However, from the side, it ruins your harmony - and IRL these falios matter because they can see you in 3D. If FaceIQ saw your side and saw no problem with the chin, that's just more evidence he's not a face rater that should be taken seriously. It's not like I'm the only one observing this flaw either.

 

[vermicel]

Go ahead and be a botch job. You'll be wishing you listened to me in a few years.

Psycho narcissistic comment.
I'm going to consult several surgeons. Most of them being French and known to be conservative, i.e. refusing to operate when too risky and unnecessary.
What makes you think that your assessment based on very limited and flawed documentation will be more accurate than a medical professional, able to see me in person and with scans ?

Everyone knows exactly what you're trying to do when you virtue signal OP.

No, I don't know what I'm trying to do, but you seem extremely perceptive, so please enlighten me.

I'm not virtue signalling btw. I have acknowledged his chin as an objective flaw (how many times should I repeat it ?!), and simply tried to understand why it may not bother him, and why it may not matter IRL as much as we think it does when looking at still pictures.
If he wanted to set it back, I wouldn't argue against it, as it should improve his side profile indeed (assuming a good surgical outcome).

Well, at this point, anyone with a brain can see who's arguing in good faith, and who's being a dishonest moron. So I'll leave it at that.

 

[loosemoose262]

Your chin is objectively your biggest flaw, followed by your brow ridge.

The brow ridge isn't easily fixable, so I would just accept that flaw. However your chin is easily fixable via a chin setback surgery (make sure your chin height remains around the same though)

From the front it's not really noticeable and arguably it does give you a more masculine frontal view (I'm assuming these frontal pictures aren't frauded to hide any excess chin height).

However, from the side, it ruins your harmony - and IRL these falios matter because they can see you in 3D. If FaceIQ saw your side and saw no problem with the chin, that's just more evidence he's not a face rater that should be taken seriously. It's not like I'm the only one observing this flaw either.

Maybe just bad pictures but in real life it doesn’t look bad. Even if the ratios aren’t perfect it’s simply not something I’m insecure about.

In real life,
I’ve gotten lots of positive comments about my jaw and how masculine I am from girls.

On the other hand, I’ve gotten lots of back handed “observations” about my eye area slanting down. Trying to fix that, I’m happy with the rest.

 

[loosemoose262]

Psycho narcissistic comment.
I'm going to consult several surgeons. Most of them being French and known to be conservative, i.e. refusing to operate when too risky and unnecessary.
What makes you think that your assessment based on very limited and flawed documentation will be more accurate than a medical professional, able to see me in person and with scans ?


No, I don't know what I'm trying to do, but you seem extremely perceptive, so please enlighten me.

I'm not virtue signalling btw. I have acknowledged his chin as an objective flaw (how many times should I repeat it ?!), and simply tried to understand why it may not bother him, and why it may not matter IRL as much as we think it does when looking at still pictures.
If he wanted to set it back, I wouldn't argue against it, as it should improve his side profile indeed (assuming a good surgical outcome).

Well, at this point, anyone with a brain can see who's arguing in good faith, and who's being a dishonest moron. So I'll leave it at that.

Thanks for having the foresight that it’s not productive to try and convince someone they should be worrying about something they aren’t insecure about. I’ve never heard anything but positivity about my lower third and side profile, just eye area falios. I guess no feature truly ever is perfect.

 

[zemult]

Psycho narcissistic comment.
I'm going to consult several surgeons. Most of them being French and known to be conservative, i.e. refusing to operate when too risky and unnecessary.
What makes you think that your assessment based on very limited and flawed documentation will be more accurate than a medical professional, able to see me in person and with scans ?

Right, the one telling you to not get the surgery because you will botch yourself is the narcissist, not the one obsessively fixating on their chin. I'm far from the only one saying this either. Go ahead and listen to the surgeons who are literally trying to sell you their services.

No, I don't know what I'm trying to do, but you seem extremely perceptive, so please enlighten me.

I'm not virtue signalling btw. I have acknowledged his chin as an objective flaw (how many times should I repeat it ?!), and simply tried to understand why it may not bother him, and why it may not matter IRL as much as we think it does when looking at still pictures.
If he wanted to set it back, I wouldn't argue against it, as it should improve his side profile indeed (assuming a good surgical outcome).

Well, at this point, anyone with a brain can see who's arguing in good faith, and who's being a dishonest moron. So I'll leave it at that.

You are reaffirming the crimson chin by saying "it fits well with the rest of his face', JFL at you trying to deflect.

You aspire to have a crimson chin, and OP has one. Again, everyone knows what you're trying to do.

 

[zemult]

Maybe just bad pictures but in real life it doesn’t look bad. Even if the ratios aren’t perfect it’s simply not something I’m insecure about.

In real life,
I’ve gotten lots of positive comments about my jaw and how masculine I am from girls.

On the other hand, I’ve gotten lots of back handed “observations” about my eye area slanting down. Trying to fix that, I’m happy with the rest.

I don't care if you touch your chin or not, it's simply just your biggest objective flaw, and I wanted to point that out.

You will get little benefit from other procedures.

You don't have negative hooding, and you don't have NCT. Your canthal tilt is neutral, which isn't ideal but it's not like Cantho will ascend you significantly.

The real problem with your eye area is PFL, and that's unfixable.

You are fixating on the wrong "flaws".

 

[vermicel]

Right, the one telling you to not get the surgery because you will botch yourself is the narcissist, not the one obsessively fixating on their chin. I'm far from the only one saying this either. Go ahead and listen to the surgeons who are literally trying to sell you their services.

It seems that you're suddenly the one virtue signalling (trying to save me from a fantasized botch job).
I'm not "obsessively fixating on my chin" at all. You're writing pure fiction When I signed up here, 5 months ago, I thought that fillers could do what I considered a minor job. After further reading, it seems that a genio could be a better choice. I'm not sure yet and leave my options open.
My real "fixation", not to the point of being an obsession though, is my inward gonions. It is my lower third's biggest flaw. I'm not sure yet how to address it effectively.

Funnily enough, I used to work in the medical field, in regular contact with plastic surgeons. So I know their ways and I'm not oblivious to their financial incentive. I also got a poor experience with rhinoplasty and other stuff many years ago (prior to working in the medical field), and you can bet it has taught me a harsh lesson. But thank you for your insights into life, O wise one !

"I'm far from the only one saying this either" ... oh, shit, you guys are onto me ! I haven't seen your friends' comments in the open yet, please bring them over, I'm eager to read more fictional content about myself.

You aspire to have a crimson chin, and OP has one. Again, everyone knows what you're trying to do.

Everyone this, everyone that ... while you're the only one making that claim. Nice little rhetorical trick to give your "opinion" more weight than it has.
Anyway, I don't care what "everyone" says if they're obviously spewing BS.
I'm not sure about measurements, but I believe I'd benefit from ... 2-4 mm vertical augmentation, while restoring chin height symmetry at the same time. I don't know if these measurements are correct, as I just pulled them out of my ass. But I'm afraid that's no crimson chin for me ... sorry to disappoint .


Ok, case closed for real this time.