i mean thats religious view, in this sense its foolish to believe since nothing can be a sign from god, since that would be a contradiction as i said before so u literally cant have anything here that should make u believe in god, no? again this is for christianity only, if u were talking about it
r u actually low iq or do i not understand something? but if its in ur heart then that means that he made u that way, u had no control at all it was always set in stone, so why would he on purpose make u not want to be with him, it doesnt make any sense
i mean there is person A and person B, neither believe in god, person A gets sick and starts praying to god as a last resort and gets healed, he starts believing in god, person B was in the exact same spot but didnt get healed, he dies while not believing in god, how is that fair?
A getting healed and B not doesn’t mean Gods unfair. The Bible says God works in ways we can’t alway understand (Isaiah 55:8 9). Healing ain’t guaranteed to make someone believe and suffering or death isn’t proof God doesn’t care. Faith and life aren’t based on who gets what result.
nigga it doesnt matter, dont make me think ur an iqlet like think with that head of urs these arguments are too easy to debunk, and ive already debunked them in the post
it's never about self fulfillment
im agnostic, isnt that pretty self explanatory?
can u explain how that is connected to my thread?
Theres no next life. It goes blank
idk nigga u tagged me+ i dnr ur thread tbh
yo turkcel my mom was in istanbul and got me some baklavas, that shit is the best thing ever im so jealous u can eat those daily
Theres a reason my name is turkcelfatcel
Humans have fludity in thinking bro @Mainlander
God hates people like you. The people who think they are always correct and will always try to find new ways in life that lead no where. Why would Christ care about the non believers? Imagine you are a father, you raise all of your children with all the love you can and they when they grow up, they hate you, they look at you as inferior and do anything to annoy you or disgust and hurt you.no he cant heal u from sickness, or meddle in our business, its a contradiction, cuz that means he helped u believe in him, but then why doesnt he help everybody? its unfair. And if u say that its not unfair, but that others wouldnt believe it even after he showed himself to them, doesnt that mean that they didnt have any choice at all since they were born that way against their will? 0 sense, im agnostic btw
subhuman iq post tbh, god hates me? if ur christian (and ur hungarian so u prob are) u dont know the basics of ur religion
Do you really think a man with the AVI of Satan is faithful? No, I was once an extremist Lutherian. Tell me how Agnostics are so correct, show their verses. As far as I know, preteristic old testament loyalists are out of date and do not know what they talk about.subhuman iq post tbh, god hates me? if ur christian (and ur hungarian so u prob are) u dont know the basics of ur religion
also as i aaid im agnostic so id change my mind if given enough proof or proven wrong thats the point of post so no i dont think im always correct
Where you’ve been nigga
He does he is currently wiping cumskins out that’s something. God is also gonna send your bitch ass go hell for being a kafir dogno he cant heal u from sickness, or meddle in our business, its a contradiction, cuz that means he helped u believe in him, but then why doesnt he help everybody? its unfair. And if u say that its not unfair, but that others wouldnt believe it even after he showed himself to them, doesnt that mean that they didnt have any choice at all since they were born that way against their will? 0 sense, im agnostic btw
You also know nothing about Christianity…. God can do what he wants if he wants to meddle he can and has done so many times
Another based orthodox badboy
tell me how agnostics are correct? nigga im not correct i js wanna find out which religion is correct like idk about other agnostics, i js identify as one bcs its definition is close to me? also ur take was extremely low iq if it came from a christian
js saying what i see, he can do whatever he wants, js idk if hes worth ur worship if he isnt fair to people, if he isnt perfection, if he isnt what hes telling in the bible, if hes same as all of us(imperfect) and if u call urself christian then explain where i am wrong cuz im open for discussion
It’s not about him being worth me worshipping him or not
nigga i grew up in orthodox household in eastern europe what westerner are u talking about?
i mean by this argument i can say any god is good in his own way like what i said above makes perfect sense, if u can explain why im wrong without giving me any of that "u cant understand his perfect existence and the all knowing all powerful creature with ur few pounds of meat u are calling brain" bullshit
yeah i understand that, but bible also says hes all loving all caring all everything so its like saying hes all loving while he says he hates us all, that level of contradiction, no not his existence but him doing anything in this physical world, i didnt say anything about his existence but this particular action
Mostly studying and focusing on God. Why haha
Thought u left the forum
Probably a Russian, Bulgarian or GAYreek then they tend to be regarded when it comes to teaching orthodoxy imagine being blessed with the greatest religious faith on earth one thag many will kill for I had to search for years until I found holy orthodoxynigga i grew up in orthodox household in eastern europe what westerner are u talking about?
i mean by this argument i can say any god is good in his own way like what i said above makes perfect sense, if u can explain why im wrong without giving me any of that "u cant understand his perfect existence and the all knowing all powerful creature with ur few pounds of meat u are calling brain" bullshit
yeah i understand that, but bible also says hes all loving all caring all everything so its like saying hes all loving while he says he hates us all, that level of contradiction, no not his existence but him doing anything in this physical world, i didnt say anything about his existence but this particular action
it’s insane.
hell is nothing, literally js u dissapearing n thats all
Probably a Russian, Bulgarian or GAYreek then they tend to be regarded when it comes to teaching orthodoxy imagine being blessed with the greatest religious faith on earth one thag many will kill for I had to search for years until I found holy orthodoxy
You were born into it and threw it away it’s like throwing away a golden lottery ticket
Well saying “any god is good” for you is subjective, if god is real then he is objectively good based on his own criteria because he’s the arbitrator of that’s good he’s the criteria. So by Christian metaphysics god is good no matter what because goodness is a divine energy of God it’s literally an eternal expression and agods unchanging if you were orthodox you’ll understand this more so I can use our terms hopefully and you’ll understand.
this isn’t like the Islamic god which is arbitrary with “Divine command theory” where the Muslim god arbitrarily dictates what’s good and bad on a whim no I’m saying gods energies are manifestations of his act his very being which comes forth from his nature, that is unchanging Therefore if one of those acts/attributes is “Holyness” then he’s always holy its an integral permanent aspect of his being by his nature.
God is all loving and caring but that doesn’t mean he’s a soft pussy. Your dad is loving and caring and yet he will punish and beat you if you fuck up right? Yeah same applies here. Besides genesis 1-5 explains why suffering exists, when Adam and Eve are from the tree of knowledge they changed the cosmic balance of things and made corruption come into the world leading to pain suffering and more. Did you know God cried over this it hurt him so much ?
So yes that’s why suffering is a thing unfortunately. But him permitting evil as an act of free will on humans behalf doesn’t mean he’s dint loving dunno where you got that from. An extreme non sequitur from you there
From a religious viewpoint, it's eternal torment. Yes you're correct in that barely anything religious happens however this life is simply a test and the afterlife is either your reward or punishment at least that's how I view it
false. show me chapter and verse. bible says that He will destroy soul and body in hell. it says that the punishment for sin is death, not eternal life.From a religious viewpoint, it's eternal torment. Yes you're correct in that barely anything religious happens however this life is simply a test and the afterlife is either your reward or punishment at least that's how I view it
You claim to be Serbian ex orthodox but all you do is show me you had poor catechism if you were ever truly orthodox you’d know the bible isn’t interpreted by individuals but by the church you’d know the Christian position instead you spout western Protestant nonsense like “The Bible says” or “what the Bible claims” no my Freind, you don’t understand what the Bible says and what it means that’s why your misinterpreting the Bible much like the Protestants so despite your orthodox background you parrot Protestant western Christian views.
this is pathetic your views even align more with westerners than orthodox.
idk if anyone has ever explained it this good so dont drop a dnr :nah its theologically incorrect to view it that way, its called eternal because eternal for u is until the end, like until u actually die, also we are, idk how to say it on english, sort of a spirit+body, we arent only body nor are we only spirit, but those two together, also nothing is eternal without gods "allowance", idk english word again, since only god is eternal, also hell is a place without god, so god has to, when u die get ur body and spirit together, and then allow u to live forever, but u chose not to be with him, he cant do that, also there is no place without god, so to be without him ud have to die, thats why its proclaimed in bible to be an eternal punishment etc. also idk if there is anyone who says this too, this is my personal point of viewFrom a religious viewpoint, it's eternal torment. Yes you're correct in that barely anything religious happens however this life is simply a test and the afterlife is either your reward or punishment at least that's how I view it
doesnt it say in the bible that u should have ur own viewpoint on bible, and not to depend on someone else, it also doesnt make sense to me why would i listen to priest instead of myself
alr i mean this was kinda the answer i was looking for? so thank you
i mean even praying for the dead doesnt have any impact, already spoke to my professor of like orthodoxy u could say, he agreed with me and said its js a tradition to ease peoples mind, pagan was a bad word, its more like "white lies" they are telling people, and wont tell them truth unless cornered
fasting is also a tradition from early ages when meat was very expensive except fish, so the point was to give the saves money to beggars, now it doesnt have any meaning, even in the bible it says that nobody should prohibit u to eat anything since god made all food holy, by fasting ur also being deficient in tons of nutrients which ages u like crazy which was clearly not gods will, cuz it doesnt make any sense whatsoever to want his followers to have worse life and possibly not have children (very common with b12 deficiency, also a reason why so many more priests than regular people cant have children prob)
wont even try to defend myself since u know nothing ab me jflI’m a recent convert only baptised into the true church in April of this year Easter, how am I a person who converted educating you on your ancestral religion
knew it was pointless since its a bad comparison
You claim to be Serbian ex orthodox but all you do is show me you had poor catechism if you were ever truly orthodox you’d know the bible isn’t interpreted by individuals but by the church you’d know the Christian position instead you spout western Protestant nonsense like “The Bible says” or “what the Bible claims” no my Freind, you don’t understand what the Bible says and what it means that’s why your misinterpreting the Bible much like the Protestants so despite your orthodox background you parrot Protestant western Christian views.
God says even in the Bible his ways are above our ways and you cannot fathom him I mean literally read the Book of Job ffs when Job asks god why he put him through hell god tells him bluntly to STFU because he’s god and can do what he wants because you as a human don’t and don’t be able to understand and to just trust in him regardless.
Orthodoxy has 0 pagan traditions, orthodox converters used similarities found in other faiths to ease others into orthodoxy but there’s nothing pagan about it. For example Slavs in Serbia had pagan ancestors of every clan well when Christianity arrived this changed to having a patron saint for every clan. That’s not PAGAN at all that’s simply seeing a similar tradition and replacing it with a new one Paul in the Bible does this when he speak to the Greeks in the book of acts so this is normal.
As for fasting well that’s fine as well our standards are high but if you cannot do it or are a bodybuilder or whatever you don’t have to fast you can be excempt for example I eat meat on fasting days because I am extremely active and my priest allows for it this is called Economia orthodoxy isn’t rigid it is a hospital each patient requires their own medication and treatment not one size fits all and orthodoxy’s stance on this remains, the strict fasting rules are mainly for the monastics normies cannnot truly follow it in today’s world and that’s fine because people are weaker in faith today so once again you know barely anything about orthodoxy confirming my suspicions,
I’m a recent convert only baptised into the true church in April of this year Easter, how am I a person who converted educating you on your ancestral religion
The stuff you was speaking about with kids and shit I’ll be honest I have no clue what you was on about with that rant so I can’t reply to it it was all over the place
