Gonna go for OBO again

[Acquiescence]

Not now, genio comes first, but prob 2027

Hope it mogs

 

[iblamemyself!]

I would do it but no OBO is saving my ass

 

[Zeekie]

Better get a good surgeon and not some sketchy dude in Turkey or something, although I'm unsure if a lot of surgeons do cosmetic OBO at all outside of Turkey... Regardless, as far as I'm concerned it's a very high risk surgery, I mean look at this shit, this looks like the type of stuff the cartel does to people

 

[Zeekie]

Better get a good surgeon and not some sketchy dude in Turkey or something, although I'm unsure if a lot of surgeons do cosmetic OBO at all outside of Turkey... Regardless, as far as I'm concerned it's a very high risk surgery, I mean look at this shit, this looks like the type of stuff the cartel does to people

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apparently the brain is exposed too for a brief period of time?

Good luck nigga

 

[Acquiescence]

Better get a good surgeon and not some sketchy dude in Turkey or something, although I'm unsure if a lot of surgeons do cosmetic OBO at all outside of Turkey... Regardless, as far as I'm concerned it's a very high risk surgery, I mean look at this shit, this looks like the type of stuff the cartel does to people

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apparently the brain is exposed too for a brief period of time?

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Good luck nigga

It’s gonna have to be Giant’s OBO in Turkey, no other realistic options tbh

And no with Liam’s version there’s no craniotomy. But yeah there is still a coronal incision, that lends it the cartel-esque visuals JFL, but fuck it man there’s no other way to escape my cyclops tier ipd

If I’m gonna fuck around with hardmaxxing might as well go big or go home. Gonna show before and afters too why not

 

[Zeekie]

It’s gonna have to be Giant’s OBO in Turkey, no other realistic options tbh

And no with Liam’s version there’s no craniotomy. But yeah there is still a coronal incision, that lends it the cartel-esque visuals JFL, but fuck it man there’s no other way to escape my cylcops ipd

If I’m gonna fuck around with hardmaxxing might as well go big or go home. Gonna show before and afters too why not

Okay, that kinda gets me less worried for you, I don't believe, but Imma be praying for you bro

 

[Devon]

Better get a good surgeon and not some sketchy dude in Turkey or something, although I'm unsure if a lot of surgeons do cosmetic OBO at all outside of Turkey... Regardless, as far as I'm concerned it's a very high risk surgery, I mean look at this shit, this looks like the type of stuff the cartel does to people

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only a couple of surgeons have ever done it if you dont count ercin and celal. The surgeons were anthony wolfe and steinbacher and both produced shit results using the full craniotomy method that looked unnatural and unaesthetic. Realistically there is only 1 option

 

[AryanSchizo]

apparently the brain is exposed too for a brief period of time?

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Good luck nigga

wtfffff who tf would willingly undergo this surgery

 

[Acquiescence]

wtfffff who tf would willingly undergo this surgery

Me because my ipd is 60 mm and esr 0.40

 

[AryanSchizo]

Me because my ipd is 60 mm and esr 0.40

don’t know what any of that means but damn , gl if you end up getting that shit done

 

[AryanSchizo]

Me because my ipd is 60 mm and esr 0.40

does that make your eyes ugly af ?? eye surgeries are the most riskiest craziest procedures

 

[Acquiescence]

don’t know what any of that means but damn , gl if you end up getting that shit done

Whenever I hit 50k in savings, hopefully sometime mid 2026

 

[Acquiescence]

does that make your eyes ugly af ?? eye surgeries are the most riskiest craziest procedures

Judge for yourself:

 

[AryanSchizo]

Judge for yourself:
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gl on the surgery if you end up getting it

 

[kingofkings]

I've been shared 2 different obo results privately and the outcomes were underwhelming (though apparently early in the healing process). I actually preferred the before pics. I don't know if they are from Giant btw.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Me because my ipd is 60 mm and esr 0.40

Your ESR is 0.38 if you include your sideburns in fact. That's extremely brutal. The OBO needs to be like 10mm of expansion to even get to average!

Your PFL is approx 32 mm and your ICD is approx 29 mm using 60mm IPD as the reference. I assume the surgery would include some kind of canthoplasty to maintain a good ratio of ICD to PFL and avoid having an "Asian" look with an ICD that significantly exceeds the PFL.

 

[Acquiescence]

I've been shared 2 different obo results privately and the outcomes were underwhelming (though apparently early in the healing process). I actually preferred the before pics. I don't know if they are from Giant btw.

Were they just isolated obo?

Cause I’m basically planning on getting the full kitchen sink of procedures more or less - obo, tripod, periorbital implants, and cantho all in one go (with periorbital fat grafts as a follow up)

 

[Acquiescence]

Your ESR is 0.38 if you include your sideburns in fact. That's extremely brutal. The OBO needs to be like 10mm of expansion to even get to average!

Your PFL is approx 32 mm and your ICD is approx 29 mm using 60mm IPD as the reference. I assume the surgery would include some kind of canthoplasty to maintain a good ratio of ICD to PFL and avoid having an "Asian" look with an ICD that significantly exceeds the PFL.

I truly hope Giant can do something for my case. I’m not expecting to walk out of surgery looking like O’Pry, but with a base this bad surely there’s improvement to be had just from normalization

And yes there will be a cantho performed as well during the op

 

[1966Ford]

Just don't end up like Frank Tufano

 

[ForestRotter]

I feel you man

 

[willbetruechang2299]

Your ESR is 0.38 if you include your sideburns in fact. That's extremely brutal. The OBO needs to be like 10mm of expansion to even get to average!

Your PFL is approx 32 mm and your ICD is approx 29 mm using 60mm IPD as the reference. I assume the surgery would include some kind of canthoplasty to maintain a good ratio of ICD to PFL and avoid having an "Asian" look with an ICD that significantly exceeds the PFL.

What's the reason asian eyes have a high ICD that's larger than their pfl? I noticed that the lower a person's radix is their icd seems to be farther apart, and that Asian eyes are usually smaller because of the epicanthic fold, I was lucky enough to be born with a very small/nonexistent fold making my ICD ideal but I've noticed on a lot of my friends it doesn't seem to be the case. Can the ratios be fixed with an epicanthoplasty?

 

[Midasw]

Judge for yourself:
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are you getting lip fillers too? noticed it before IPD

 

[PrimalPlasty]

yeah, not happening, also lose some weight first fattie, no wonder youre ipd seems that low, get single digit bf and then it will look alot better and fix other things that are more important

 

[Foreverbrad]

What's the reason asian eyes have a high ICD that's larger than their pfl? I noticed that the lower a person's radix is their icd seems to be farther apart, and that Asian eyes are usually smaller because of the epicanthic fold, I was lucky enough to be born with a very small/nonexistent fold making my ICD ideal but I've noticed on a lot of my friends it doesn't seem to be the case. Can the ratios be fixed with an epicanthoplasty?

Looking at B/A, epicanthoplasty (double eyelid surgery) does not seem to reduce the Asian ICD. I am not sure if there is a surgery for this as being white I don’t really care.

 

[Acquiescence]

yeah, not happening, also lose some weight first fattie, no wonder youre ipd seems that low, get single digit bf and then it will look alot better and fix other things that are more important

Just lose weight brah!

Just hit the gym braahhh!

No gym for your inherent craniofacial bone structure

Maintaining this physique was hell and gave me literally zero return. My male dorm mates gave me a compliment or two at the time, that was it

 

[PrimalPlasty]

Just lose weight brah!

Just hit the gym braahhh!

No gym for your inherent craniofacial bone structure

Maintaining this physique was hell and gave me literally zero return. My male dorm mates gave me a compliment or two at the time, that was it

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Ok brutal then

 

[afkaik]

Just lose weight brah!

Just hit the gym braahhh!

No gym for your inherent craniofacial bone structure

Maintaining this physique was hell and gave me literally zero return. My male dorm mates gave me a compliment or two at the time, that was it

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fat dissolvers for your cheekbones and hyoid of doom, and yeah, eyes are everything, but, wouldnt ipd be possible to fix with a palate expander (partially) then do OBO?

 

[iblamemygenes]

Judge for yourself:
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You realize your skull width is the main issue, ur ipd is a little bad yes but the width is making it look so bad, and getting obo to a .45 esr is gonna rape your icd and make ur mfr too high and just look shit, I would do zygo shaving instead ur mfr doesn’t even look bad which is uncommon for clops

 

[Acquiescence]

You realize your skull width is the main issue, ur ipd is a little bad yes but the width is making it look so bad, and getting obo to a .45 esr is gonna rape your icd and make ur mfr too high and just look shit, I would do zygo shaving instead ur mfr doesn’t even look bad which is uncommon for clops

You know I should really tally up all the different surgery recommendations I’ve been given. At this point I think I’ve been proposed over a dozen unique surgery plans JFL

Going to Giant when I have the money, getting what he recommends, and that’s that

(Still appreciate the actual thoughtful input though ig)

 

[iblamemygenes]

You know I should really tally up all the different surgery recommendations I’ve been given. At this point I think I’ve been proposed over a dozen unique surgery plans JFL

Going to Giant when I have the money, getting what he recommends, and that’s that

(Still appreciate the actual thoughtful input though ig)

Any input helps, I’m just saying tho are you sure ur ipd is 60? Looks like 62-63 with a large bizygo

 

[Acquiescence]

Any input helps, I’m just saying tho are you sure ur ipd is 60? Looks like 62-63 with a large bizygo

It could very well be a bit higher as I’ve never had it properly measured, just been told 60 mm a couple times and self obtained that # too a long time ago using a jank ass ruler method

 

[iblamemygenes]

It could very well be a bit higher as I’ve never had it properly measured, just been told 60 mm a couple times and self obtained that # too a long time ago using a jank ass ruler method

yea people eyeballing is retarded, even tho I just did it but I was sure it’s above 60 bruh. I have a similar issue to you just not as bad, 65 mm ipd with 151-152 mm bizygo looks like ur ipd is a lil worse and bizygo a lil wider. If you get a consult with giant check out the other obo results, they are most likely shit bro. It’s a pipe dream do you really think the eyes will look normal after? Ur icd will get raped if you over advance and ur pfl is already large, just not worth it in my opinion. The thing is zygo shaving would wreck ur bigonial to bizygo which looks good already so I really don’t know, maybe a conservative OBO would be good it’s just hard to trust something like that. Yea it’s holding you back but is it really worth risking bro? Just grow ur hair cover the sides of ur head get a genio and get some orbital implants imo , long hair covering ur forehead and sides is the most thing for clops, it ascends me hard asf

 

[Acquiescence]

yea people eyeballing is retarded, even tho I just did it but I was sure it’s above 60 bruh. I have a similar issue to you just not as bad, 65 mm ipd with 151-152 mm bizygo looks like ur ipd is a lil worse and bizygo a lil wider. If you get a consult with giant check out the other obo results, they are most likely shit bro. It’s a pipe dream do you really think the eyes will look normal after? Ur icd will get raped if you over advance and ur pfl is already large, just not worth it in my opinion. The thing is zygo shaving would wreck ur bigonial to bizygo which looks good already so I really don’t know, maybe a conservative OBO would be good it’s just hard to trust something like that. Yea it’s holding you back but is it really worth risking bro? Just grow ur hair cover the sides of ur head get a genio and get some orbital implants imo , long hair covering ur forehead and sides is the most thing for clops, it ascends me hard asf

Once again appreciate the feedback. Allow me to elab some more to reciprocate:

Unfortunately for long hair I get cucked by a curly unruly jewfro if I let it get too long JFL, so I’m limited to at best medium length, which I’m already using to cover up my receeded nw2 hairline and temples (on dut + min and will eventually get HT to fix that)

As to the bigonial/bizygo, I would imagine Giant will factor that in to any changes made to either/both, and thus ultimately preserve it / enhance it to an ideal ratio

For genio, Ramieri and many users here agree, as do I (unless perhaps maybe Giant makes a compelling case that trimax would result in a maximal ascension during the consult, we’ll see)

And same deal with orbital implants. Throw in fat grafts + co2 laser as well - my undereyes have gotten horrific lately. Wrinkling [camera doesn’t pick it up well] + insomnia + negative orbital vector + fat pad degradation has destroyed them over the last 2 ish years, and they were never all that good to begin with. Under harsh overhead lighting it looks terrible:

Makes me look like a damn aged baby face raccoon ngl, brootal

Pertaining to the risk of OBO and the potential icd destruction, I will just have to trust Liam knows what he is doing and will factor in all that. As Brad pointed out earlier in the thread, if you include the sideburns my esr is like 0.38, that’s fucking Marko Jaric tiers of over. I don’t have the luxury of pussy footing around OBO if I want to meaningfully ascend, so I’m out of options to cope with on this one. Do or rot atp

So the likely final surgery list is getting pretty substantial by now:
- OBO (maybe Tripod too), Orbital Implants, Cantho (comes with OBO at Giant, I’d benefit from it regardless), genio (maybe bimax and / or jaw angles too - if bimax then this’ll have to be split into two ops), all with Giant in Istanbul
- Orbital fat grafts, lip lift + filler, and HT done later individually

Also further pipe dream material: LL and CL (not for many years if ever; at 5’10” and 18 inch bidelt it’s not do or die like face currently is although obv still far from ideal) + nuss bar for mild pectus excavatum

Finance wise I’m sitting at 25k saved up rn. RSM has given recent price estimates for OBO + implants being round 45k or so. That means +20k saved up at least, then more for travel/accomodation/revision fund

As I mentioned earlier, aiming for 2026 for the first round of surgery

But if it takes longer than that oh well, it’s over already and this is a lifelong project, agepill be damned (facelift once a decade starting in my 30s, on top of all the other bullshit, should go a long way in slowing that down)

Over for anyone who has to put this much thought and effort into their looks tbh

 

[iblamemygenes]

Once again appreciate the feedback. Allow me to elab some more to reciprocate:

Unfortunately for long hair I get cucked by a curly unruly jewfro if I let it get too long JFL, so I’m limited to at best medium length, which I’m already using to cover up my receeded nw2 hairline and temples (on dut + min and will eventually get HT to fix that)

As to the bigonial/bizygo, I would imagine Giant will factor that in to any changes made to either/both, and thus ultimately preserve it / enhance it to an ideal ratio

For genio, Ramieri and many users here agree, as do I (unless perhaps maybe Giant makes a compelling case that trimax would result in a maximal ascension during the consult, we’ll see)

And same deal with orbital implants. Throw in fat grafts + co2 laser as well - my undereyes have gotten horrific lately. Wrinkling [camera doesn’t pick it up well] + insomnia + negative orbital vector + fat pad degradation has destroyed them over the last 2 ish years, and they were never all that good to begin with. Under harsh overhead lighting it looks terrible:
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Makes me look like a damn aged baby face raccoon ngl, brootal

Pertaining to the risk of OBO and the potential icd destruction, I will just have to trust Liam knows what he is doing and will factor in all that. As Brad pointed out earlier in the thread, if you include the sideburns my esr is like 0.38, that’s fucking Marko Jaric tiers of over. I don’t have the luxury of pussy footing around OBO if I want to meaningfully ascend, so I’m out of options to cope with on this one. Do or rot atp

So the likely final surgery list is getting pretty substantial by now:
- OBO (maybe Tripod too), Orbital Implants, Cantho (comes with OBO at Giant, I’d benefit from it regardless), genio (maybe bimax and / or jaw angles too - if bimax then this’ll have to be split into two ops), all with Giant in Istanbul
- Orbital fat grafts, lip lift + filler, and HT done later individually

Also further pipe dream material: LL and CL (not for many years if ever; at 5’10” and 18 inch bidelt it’s not do or die like face currently is although obv still far from ideal) + nuss bar for mild pectus excavatum

Finance wise I’m sitting at 25k saved up rn. RSM has given recent price estimates for OBO + implants being round 45k or so. That means +20k saved up at least, then more for travel/accomodation/revision fund

As I mentioned earlier, aiming for 2026 for the first round of surgery

But if it takes longer than that oh well, it’s over already and this is a lifelong project, agepill be damned (facelift once a decade starting in my 30s, on top of all the other bullshit, should go a long way in slowing that down)

Over for anyone who has to put this much thought and effort into their looks tbh

CL and LL are too much, I’m also 5’11 I wanted LL too but it’s just a reach Man you’ll one day grow out of the trying to be perfect phase especially when our heights aren’t bad. My biacromial 17.6 so I can’t really speak on the CL much since I didn’t get cucked there. For the hair, you realize length weighs the curl down and makes it straighter right? Also moisturizing and minimizing shampoo helps, if you have 3A hair like I did, I was shampooing a lot thinking it would make my hair straighter but I started using conditioner daily and coconut oil on the ends and stopped sulfates and my hair is 2b-2c now which is ideal imo and closer to how my hair was as a kid. Btw giant also said an OBO is doable for me

unironically have a similar pheno to you, just longer face