good alternative for minoxidil?

[Deleted member 3041]

I started applying minoxidil 7-8 months ago because of the thinning hair, and I started to have big bags under my eyes that I think are caused by a large part of minoxidil but I have also been insomniacs for some time now. Do you know any good alternatives to minoxidil?

 

[Deleted member 2486]

@Lifeisgood72

 

[Deleted member 3041]

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[ShredPill]

Castor oil

 

[Deleted member 3635]

I started applying minoxidil 7-8 months ago because of the thinning hair, and I started to have big bags under my eyes that I think are caused by a large part of minoxidil but I have also been insomniacs for some time now. Do you know any good alternatives to minoxidil?

Peperment oil

 

[Deleted member 3041]

These oils do not cause aging or dark circles?
Is it possible to reverse skin aging with retinol?

 

[Superking]

These oils do not cause aging or dark circles?
Is it possible to reverse skin aging with retinol?

retinol, it works for sure but not that dramatically. go all the way to retin-a to legit take years off the way your skin looks. don't get me wrong though i still use a neutrogena retinol + vitamin cream but retin-a does the heavy lifting for spurring youthful levels of cellular regeneration. you also want to increase your cell quality with HIIT, fasting, and coq10. if you just use a good retinol cream you will get better results than the vast majority of over the counter products. but retin-a is where it's at, luckily i was able to get a prescription for it, it's one of the best tools in a soft looksmaxxing kit.

 

[Lorsss]

I started applying minoxidil 7-8 months ago because of the thinning hair, and I started to have big bags under my eyes that I think are caused by a large part of minoxidil but I have also been insomniacs for some time now. Do you know any good alternatives to minoxidil?

finasteride is better than minoxidil

 

[Deleted member 773]

Get off of minoxidil and give it a month or two for the aging to recover.

 

[Deleted member 3041]

finasteride is better than minoxidil

I use both, but I wanted a replacement for minoxidil I know they don't act the same

 

[Lorsss]

I use both, but I wanted a replacement for minoxidil I know they don't act the same

castor oil, vaseline, bimatorpost.
all theese chemicals are vasodilators like minoxidil

 

[Deleted member 3041]

castor oil, vaseline, bimatorpost.
all theese chemicals are vasodilators like minoxidil

castor oil is better than peppermint oil? I've been searching and several websites say that peppermint oil is the best alternative to minoxidil

retinol, it works for sure but not that dramatically. go all the way to retin-a to legit take years off the way your skin looks. don't get me wrong though i still use a neutrogena retinol + vitamin cream but retin-a does the heavy lifting for spurring youthful levels of cellular regeneration. you also want to increase your cell quality with HIIT, fasting, and coq10. if you just use a good retinol cream you will get better results than the vast majority of over the counter products. but retin-a is where it's at, luckily i was able to get a prescription for it, it's one of the best tools in a soft looksmaxxing kit.

I'll see if I can get a recipe

 

[Deleted member 2933]

High Inhib

 

[Deleted member 3041]

High Inhib

what does it help with hair loss?

retinol, it works for sure but not that dramatically. go all the way to retin-a to legit take years off the way your skin looks. don't get me wrong though i still use a neutrogena retinol + vitamin cream but retin-a does the heavy lifting for spurring youthful levels of cellular regeneration. you also want to increase your cell quality with HIIT, fasting, and coq10. if you just use a good retinol cream you will get better results than the vast majority of over the counter products. but retin-a is where it's at, luckily i was able to get a prescription for it, it's one of the best tools in a soft looksmaxxing kit.

Do you know of any online stores in Europe that sell retin-a without a prescription?

 

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[Deleted member 656]

GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu, Biotinyl-GHK

The first is as good as minoxidil for hair growth, the latter two are more effective than minoxidil.

They'll also give you thicker hair and are extremely good for skin-health and anti-aging.

No reported side effects in half a million studies.

All used topically.

 

[DarkTriadPeerReview]

GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu, Biotinyl-GHK

The first is as good as minoxidil for hair growth, the latter two are more effective than minoxidil.

They'll also give you thicker hair and are extremely good for skin-health and anti-aging.

No reported side effects in half a million studies.

All used topically.

You can find the Biotinyl under the trademark name of Procapil (by Sederma)

 

[Deleted member 656]

You can find the Biotinyl under the trademark name of Procapil (by Sederma)

Procapil combines the biotinyl-GHK with apigenin and oleanolic acid.

Oleanolic acid is a 5α-Reductase inhibitor. It'll work, but you're messing with hormones. I'm not sure if it'll have a systemic influence on DHT, which is something we obviously want to avoid. Even most topical DHT blockers find a way into the blood.

I think the ideal would be using the biotinyl-GHK and apigenin with a hydrophilic anti-DHT topical. The only one of those I know of is Fluridil, which works but is expensive.

 

[GetThatBread]

Castor and Rosemary oil

 

[DarkTriadPeerReview]

Procapil combines the biotinyl-GHK with apigenin and oleanolic acid.

Oleanolic acid is a 5α-Reductase inhibitor. It'll work, but you're messing with hormones. I'm not sure if it'll have a systemic influence on DHT, which is something we obviously want to avoid. Even most topical DHT blockers find a way into the blood.

I think the ideal would be using the biotinyl-GHK and apigenin with a hydrophilic anti-DHT topical. The only one of those I know of is Fluridil, which works but is expensive.

Hopefully a study with appropriate methodology will be funded in order to somehow account the side effects of Procapil on hormones. Maybe with variables like diet, sleep, exercise routine under control, to see future directions to self-treating with Procapil.

 

[JustTrynaGrow]

GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu, Biotinyl-GHK

The first is as good as minoxidil for hair growth, the latter two are more effective than minoxidil.

They'll also give you thicker hair and are extremely good for skin-health and anti-aging.

No reported side effects in half a million studies.

All used topically.

where can I source this stuff?
procapil the only option?

 

[Deleted member 656]

where can I source this stuff?
procapil the only option?

GHK-Cu is pretty easy to get your hands on. I know PureRawz has it and I imagine most other peptide companies are the same. I'm a little less sure on AHK-Cu but I think I remember @SquareChinOrDeath saying he bought some from TheKaneShop.

For biotinyl-GHK I have absolutely no idea outside of procapil or Alibaba. A lot of anti-hair loss products seem to incorporate the procapil trident - biotinyl-GHK, apigenin and oleanolic acid - without explicitly mentioning procapil itself.

GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu and biotinyl-GHK are all to my knowledge 5α-Reductase inhibitors but I'm not sure of their efficacy in that regard, and the inclusion of oleanolic acid in the procapil trident with the sole purpose as acting as a 5α-Reductase inhibitor leads me to believe the effect is weak. Despite my best efforts I've had no luck in finding any actual studies on how successful any of the copper peptides, nor the oleanolic acid are as 5α-Reductase inhibitors. It's all speculation, though it makes sense from a logical perspective. The ability of the copper peptides to contribute to hair regrowth is not speculation though, that's very well established with the exception of biotinyl-GHK, which in studies has shown to be the most effective of the three in contributing to hair growth but all of the studies were performed by the company with the patent.

Of course if you don't care about whether or not the peptides are 5α-Reductase inhibitors you can just blast dut and enjoy expensive but (as far as we know) side-free minoxidil, though if you're using lots of copper peptides you might want to consider a zinc supplement. The body has a balance of zinc and copper and you don't want to interfere with that too much. Brutal homeostatis pill.

 

[JustTrynaGrow]

GHK-Cu is pretty easy to get your hands on. I know PureRawz has it and I imagine most other peptide companies are the same. I'm a little less sure on AHK-Cu but I think I remember @SquareChinOrDeath saying he bought some from TheKaneShop.

For biotinyl-GHK I have absolutely no idea outside of procapil or Alibaba. A lot of anti-hair loss products seem to incorporate the procapil trident - biotinyl-GHK, apigenin and oleanolic acid - without explicitly mentioning procapil itself.

GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu and biotinyl-GHK are all to my knowledge 5α-Reductase inhibitors but I'm not sure of their efficacy in that regard, and the inclusion of oleanolic acid in the procapil trident with the sole purpose as acting as a 5α-Reductase inhibitor leads me to believe the effect is weak. Despite my best efforts I've had no luck in finding any actual studies on how successful any of the copper peptides, nor the oleanolic acid are as 5α-Reductase inhibitors. It's all speculation, though it makes sense from a logical perspective. The ability of the copper peptides to contribute to hair regrowth is not speculation though, that's very well established with the exception of biotinyl-GHK, which in studies has shown to be the most effective of the three in contributing to hair growth but all of the studies were performed by the company with the patent.

Of course if you don't care about whether or not the peptides are 5α-Reductase inhibitors you can just blast dut and enjoy expensive but (as far as we know) side-free minoxidil, though if you're using lots of copper peptides you might want to consider a zinc supplement. The body has a balance of zinc and copper and you don't want to interfere with that too much. Brutal homeostatis pill.

dut and fin are not side free at all

lowering dht by 70-90% is stupid unlessss you're at least 25+ & don't have that much use for dht anymore although it'll still cause your estrogen to go way up

fin and dut are jew pills

 

[Deleted member 656]

dut and fin are not side free at all

lowering dht by 70-90% is stupid unlessss you're at least 25+ & don't have that much use for dht anymore although it'll still cause your estrogen to go way up

fin and dut are jew pills

Of course if you don't care about whether or not the peptides are 5α-Reductase inhibitors you can just blast dut and enjoy expensive but (as far as we know) side-free minoxidil

By this I meant the copper peptides, not fin and dut. If you don't care about the vague 5α-Reductase inhibitor properties of the copper peptides then they are essentially just a more expensive and more effective minoxidil without any sides.

I wish I knew more about the effectiveness of the copper peptides as 5α-Reductase inhibitors. Granted, everyone is concerned about the sides of nuking their DHT until they actually start getting aggressively reaped.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

GHK-Cu is pretty easy to get your hands on. I know PureRawz has it and I imagine most other peptide companies are the same. I'm a little less sure on AHK-Cu but I think I remember @SquareChinOrDeath saying he bought some from TheKaneShop.

For biotinyl-GHK I have absolutely no idea outside of procapil or Alibaba. A lot of anti-hair loss products seem to incorporate the procapil trident - biotinyl-GHK, apigenin and oleanolic acid - without explicitly mentioning procapil itself.

GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu and biotinyl-GHK are all to my knowledge 5α-Reductase inhibitors but I'm not sure of their efficacy in that regard, and the inclusion of oleanolic acid in the procapil trident with the sole purpose as acting as a 5α-Reductase inhibitor leads me to believe the effect is weak. Despite my best efforts I've had no luck in finding any actual studies on how successful any of the copper peptides, nor the oleanolic acid are as 5α-Reductase inhibitors. It's all speculation, though it makes sense from a logical perspective. The ability of the copper peptides to contribute to hair regrowth is not speculation though, that's very well established with the exception of biotinyl-GHK, which in studies has shown to be the most effective of the three in contributing to hair growth but all of the studies were performed by the company with the patent.

Of course if you don't care about whether or not the peptides are 5α-Reductase inhibitors you can just blast dut and enjoy expensive but (as far as we know) side-free minoxidil, though if you're using lots of copper peptides you might want to consider a zinc supplement. The body has a balance of zinc and copper and you don't want to interfere with that too much. Brutal homeostatis pill.

So if I’m on fin I might as well be on one of these?

 

[Deleted member 656]

So if I’m on fin I might as well be on one of these?

Fin will be a lot more effective at decreasing your DHT. They're more like alternatives to minoxidil.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Fin will be a lot more effective at decreasing your DHT. They're more like alternatives to minoxidil.

But it’ll also boost collagen? How bout acne scars? My skins pretty shit too not just my hairline

 

[Deleted member 656]

But it’ll also boost collagen? How bout acne scars? My skins pretty shit too not just my hairline

Dermastamping is the go-to solution for acne scars. But yeah, it'll be good for your skin.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Dermastamping is the go-to solution for acne scars. But yeah, it'll be good for your skin.

How cheap is it?

 

[Deleted member 656]

How cheap is it?

Expensive enough to sting but you should be able to afford it without too much trouble if you're working.