how legit do you think models by mark manson is? its very bluepilled imo
thank you for this i'll have a look
It's a very Chad book. What I mean by this is that it won't work for anyone except the top 1% of men. This is because the book preaches an honest approach to attraction. And situations like these, where a man makes it obvious he wants to fuck the woman, the woman is generally turned off. However, a Chad will not deter a woman's interest by being honest, rather escalate their sex quicker than by playing games. The book does help to teach men an "I don't give a fuck approach," however, which can increase most men's chances of sex through numbers game. I like the philosophy though, I'm just not as direct as what Mark preaches. I make it somewhat obvious to women I like them, but then I pull away. Kind of a mix of Rollo's theories and Manson's theories. Once I surgery/roidmaxx and finish maturing age-wise to chadlite, Manson's theories will work more. I have tried his theories as I am now and they generally have not worked. Women have been creeped out more than they have been attracted.
All those books seemed to pretty legit to me after reading. I got a lot of good stuff from them, especially rational male. It's a great book no matter what people say about redpill on this site.
i tried his theories too and said shit that was on my mind(being vulnerable). but it just got me flak and i got buttraped in group settings. the people thought i was weird since i was genuinely saying what was on my mind. and i got ostracized.
i was thinking about reading the rational male. but ive heard it has pseudoscience and is a cope book.
Could you link it?
With looks, the only redpill you need is that you aren't a total autist.
I still think the rational male is worth a read, mostly because it teaches about fundamental concepts that are beyond the pills. This includes oneitis, plate spinning, hypergamy, female psychology, male mating psychology, and what you can do to improve game, if you believe game matters. It's cope in that Rollo claims physical attraction is not the main factor of attraction (he says game is), the rest of the book is mostly correct. And yes, for Manson's book, I did mostly what you stated, conveying my interest clearly through Kino and directly telling the woman I liked her or I liked things about her. It generally made them uncomfortable. What I realized is that as a subchad, you have to hide your interest otherwise you push a woman's hypergamy filter too much and she'll be more prone to reject you out of social pressure. Only Chads can get away with direct references.
thats interesting tbh. were these cold approaches or you knew them in your social circle?
Type on youtube - The Black Phillip Show Episode 10
I didn't have a 0% success rate. By this forums standards, I'm technically a volcel. I'm not KHHV but I don't fuck often as I have 'high' standards (I prefer lean, blonde women 5'2-5'6). Not really that much standard in itself, but if I told this to most women they'd say I'm extremely picky and unfair because women are fucking lazy and they don't like to fucking do anything (workout). I'd say my success rate for this method overall for a sample size of n=25 was about 4 women. So not bad, but not very good. However, those four were moderately attractive to me. Most of the ones I liked didn't care or found it weird. Again, just be chad theorem. Anyway, those were mostly women at parties that I somewhat knew thru social circles in HS. Since entering college, I have not tried this. My plan is to join a frat this sem (currently rushing), finish looksmaxxing with Test and a rhino thru summer, and then retry this method with sorority/party girls. I'm sure I'll be here posting an autistic thread on the data analysis of that sometime later this year lol. That's just my personality. Anyway, I have no idea how you look or how you go about doing this with women so I don't know what your success rate would be. That's just my anecdotal experience as a Midwest United States white normie or high tier normie.
im a low-tier normie gook tbh. i dont have access to women through social circles so i will probably have to cold approach.
Do whatever you can to socialmaxx. One true thing about pickup is that it is a numbers game at the end of the day. While physicality dominates in attraction, there's so many other nuances that it's impossible to predict what women will be attracted and what won't, and it's impossible to be a god that attracts every single woman on the planet. Also honestly since I've built a good network of guy friends I don't really give a fuck about women as much anymore. I just want to get to the point where I can slay whenever I want to within a few approaches, within a week or less, with a decent looking girl. At that point, I feel like I have satisfied my biological imperative. I don't give a shit about trying to fuck the hottest Stacies tbh. I will say that as a gook it's going to be a bit harder. I'm lucky to be white. No reason why you can't still have success though, I've seen plenty of ethnics slay at my university (and even slay decent white girls). Avoid cold approaching unless at a bar, not worth it. Are u in uni, and what country? This determines a lot
im in uni and in the U.S. corona is kinda fucking things up atm
Yeah same here, I'm at uw madison. Everything's basically martial law here with covid. I should really go to bed I have work in like 4hrs lol. But anyway, idk where you go but socialmaxxing is a superpower in college, it's the only way to really enjoy it and succeed, minimize usage here like me except for looksmaxxing research to become chad or as close to chad as you can. Then, you maximize your university experience.
I respected Paul Janka.
we all (non Chads and non-Chadlites) have to find ways outside of social circle. if we wanna get a lifetime laycount abouve 10
honestly unless u use ur social circle to leap into others somehow and expand it, then social circle isnt that useful at all for slaying unless u have a massive one. But its nice for other things like mental health and socialization
true that. social circle is way to slow, and stagnant in general. to rank up alot of lays. Plus, if one sleeps with alot of the females in the group, one becomes a bit outcast also.
How do u change the title under your name? jfl
I don't even know I have a title.
What’s the reason to not start from episode 1?
Lmao, Models are shit, it's a really bad book, the only purpose it has is to bring anxiety in you by wondering "am I too needy", the best book in the "being honest game" is either "Mode One" by Alan Roger Currie (funny thing is that Manson based Models on Mode One because he thought that ARC is too direct, lmao) or "The Rules of David X", they are more edgy and try to bring your confidence within you
The problem with The Rational Male is that it's boring and to make a boring book about seduction is really something
Legit, all Models did was make me ask myself "Am i being too needy?" "Am I being vulnerable enough?" all the time.
That's right, it's really fucking your mind up, the only benefit I got from this book is that I found the ARC and David X books, cuz some guy made a list with Models and Mode One on it (sidenote: David X was featured in The Game in one chapter, he told Neil Strauss that he will be fucking a random bitch when Strauss and Mystery will still be in the bar showing some girl magic tricks and trying to get her number or something like that, lmao)
Oh and I remember that Manson wrote that studies showed that the voice is the sexiest part of a man
while ARC wrote in one online post that leanmaxxxing is the key aspect of the game
I remember reading that and caging. He also said that women are more attracted to grooming than physical features jfl. Gay PUA shit, the point of grooming is to highlight your physical features or downplay your lack of physical features.Oh and I remember that Manson wrote that studies showed that the voice is the sexiest part of a man
Patrice O'Neal is the best.
Well, Manson is a former PUA and PUA industry is just a bluepill with a big hat on it ("just be interesting bro", being "nice", the only difference is that PUA emphasize mostly sex, while bluepill is about relationships) so his transition (as he put it) from PUA to "Models" game wasn't a transition at all
I recall seeing this SMV chart from Rollo Tomassi; before I knew him
Episode 10 is just a lot better format (fluid convo) so you learn more. You can watch 1 after but I say 10 first since you want to learn as much as possible for a 2.5hr podcast.
He drops game and demonstrates game throughout, u learn and pickup what works on girls when talking to them, i promise its worth the watch.
Bunch of cope nonetheless but i am gonna watch it because i have nothing else to do
I just want to consoom, i'll never try any of those cope techniques
Redpill is alot of BluePill coping.
Yeah Aaron Sleazy club game was a great book tbh, It was the one that taught me to read IOIs instead of just going for women randomly.
One of the few, looking back. that I liked. the rest , in the past was mainly shit in the "dating coaches scene".
Yeah but keep in mind back then PUA scene was huge, when i discovered RSD i tought i hacked some secret, i tried pick up but never worked (it actually worked twice, but first girl said that she was attracted to me the moment she saw me)
