Guy lengthens 17cm

[Downey]

Femurs & Tibias with Dr Paley

Femurs & Tibias with Dr Paley

www.limblengtheningforum.com

Goes from 162 (5’4) to 179 (5’10.5) then wears lifts to get to 6’1. All at the age of 24, costs him around $190000 for the surgeries + other caretaking and rent expense

amazing. what a time to be alive!

 

[zeno]

yea, those cases are usual in ll forum, i will go for 8cm aswell..the irony is the taller you are the safer limb lenghening might be for you

 

[Downey]

yea, those cases are usual in ll forum, i will go for 8cm aswell..the irony is the taller you are the safer limb lenghening might be for you

its not the risk that deters me, it’s the money

You can implant Opry’s face on yours for the amount of money he spent

 

[CopingCel]

the irony is the taller you are the safer limb lenghening might be for you

Why?

 

[zeno]

its not the risk that deters me, it’s the money

You can implant Opry’s face on yours for the amount of money he spent

there are some good cheaper doctors in EE, ill get mine done for around 30keuros

Why?

not exactly sure why, but ll surgeons say it themselves and the ammount theyre gonna lengthen you heavily depends on the initial length of your bones.. it probably has to do with how flexible your leg muscles are

 

[john2]

Jfl, he spent $190k just to be 6ft 1 with lifts.

Meanwhile I'm 6ft 2 with shoes but without surgeries, without lifts.

 

[Vidyacoper]

there are some good cheaper doctors in EE, ill get mine done for around 30keuros

not exactly sure why, but ll surgeons say it themselves and the ammount theyre gonna lengthen you heavily depends on the initial length of your bones.. it probably has to do with how flexible your leg muscles are

whats ur height?

 

[zeno]

whats ur height?

5.10

Why?

for example


Dr Muharrem Inan:
- The ideal lengthening amount is 1/5th of the original length of the bone. The maximum tolerable amounts of lengthening we advise is 8 cm for femurs and 6 cm for tibiae.

Dr Donghoon Lee:
- To minimize various complications resulting from limb lengthening, it is recommended that lengthening is performed under 20% of the original bone length, and by an experienced surgeon. Since the femur is longer than the tibia, generally speaking it is possible to lengthen more when lengthening the femur. However, since the muscles surrounding the femur are very strong, too much lengthening could lead to joint contracture in the hip joint or knee joint, so caution must be taken. According to Park's report (Park HW et al, JBJS,2008 ) , 25% of the people who lengthen the tibia(6cm in average) was found to have some difficulties in persuing vigorous activity If both Tibia and Femur are lengthened sequentially, the maximum to be 10cm in total. But, one more important thing is to consider body ratio. So, I recommend to decide the target considering the safety, recovery of sports activity and body ratio.

 

[Downey]

Jfl, he spent $190k just to be 6ft 1 with lifts.

Meanwhile I'm 6ft 2 with shoes but without surgeries, without lifts.

bro people have different genetics how come you did not know this, not everyone is the same height

or did you just make that post to brag and raise manlet cortisol

 

[john2]

bro people have different genetics how come you did not know this, not everyone is the same height

or did you just make that post to brag and raise manlet cortisol

I did it to raise Manlet cortisol tbh.
My point is, see how big of a difference there is between good and bad genetics.
See how much one has to spend to look more appealing.

 

[Golden Glass]

Wow I just skimmed all of that, and he hasn’t had any tightness at all. Doing a crazy stretching routine, he’s been able to get to an unparalleled amount of distraction, since most of the time you aren’t allowed to do any more distraction with once your ankles are too right to avoid functional issues. (he’s at 15cm now, and Paley usually only does 16 cm if you take the crazy expensive route that costs 250 thousand and has you basically do both femur and tibia, 4 cm each, and then you break again in one year and do 4 cm each again).

Will be interesting to see how he recovers. If he gets a full recovery, it shows that 6 inches while not losing your athleticism to a big degree is possible, as long you do that much stretching (he spent like half of everyday stretching) while your lengthening, and have the money, of course.

 

[sloopnoob]

he'll look subhumanly disproportional and then kill himself after spending so much money

 

[Mayorga]

he'll look subhumanly disproportional and then kill himself after spending so much money

yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. low ape-index on men looks incredibly comical, unless he started with disproportionately long arms, they're gonna be 15cm shorter than those of an average man

 

[sloopnoob]

yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. low ape-index on men looks incredibly comical, unless he started with disproportionately long arms, they're gonna be 15cm shorter than those of an average man

I'm the same height as him if i do this aswell, we'll both be t-rex then epix t-rex fight

 

[diggbicc]

Yes bro mirin my height?

 

[Golden Glass]

he'll look subhumanly disproportional and then kill himself after spending so much money

He lengthened 8cm, then wanted to lengthen more 1 year later. He also said proportionally he looks fine, or else he wouldn’t have lengthened so much.

Imo if I was 5’4 I wouldn’t give a fuck about proportions. I’d get as much as I could.

 

[sloopnoob]

He lengthened 8cm, then wanted to lengthen more 1 year later. He also said proportionally he looks fine, or else he wouldn’t have lengthened so much.

Imo if I was 5’4 I wouldn’t give a fuck about proportions. I’d get as much as I could.

I'm in India I'm 5'4 and if I don't grow from heightmaxxing I'll do it aswell coz it's cheap as fuck here

 

[KingOfSex]

2 inches in femur + 2 inches in tibia is the maximum 99% safe length
i read a lot about leg lengthening, and i think that by doing that^, you're maximizing your gains potential while losing almost nothing (in some cases even nothing, but tbh im not sure about 100% recovery, it might be possible if you're at the 5'9 range of height, cause as we already know, if you're taller then the surgery is safer) of your athletic abilities (provided you had no complications doing the surgeries)

correct me if im wrong

 

[Deleted member 2933]

A real looksmaxxer, keep crying for him.

 

[Golden Glass]

2 inches in femur + 2 inches in tibia is the maximum 99% safe length
i read a lot about leg lengthening, and i think that by doing that^, you're maximizing your gains potential while losing almost nothing of your athletic abilities (provided you had no complications doing the surgeries)

correct me if im wrong

It depends on how flexible you are.

The guy in that thread claims he had no loss of function after 8cm, and that for tibias, he was only supposed to get 4cm, but because of hours of stretching daily, he got the green light to make it to 7cm. Mind you, this is with Paley, and he’s the safest and most experienced LL doctor in the world.

His case for the next two years will be very interesting, to see how his athleticism does after fully recovering and removing the nails (they’re removed 1 year after completion of lengthening).

 

[Deleted member 4209]

he'll look subhumanly disproportional and then kill himself after spending so much money

LLers are the new trannies

 

[Mayorga]

He also said proportionally he looks fine, or else he wouldn’t have lengthened so much.

I just can't believe this, as expected taller guys usually have higher ape indices as well - from the 15 UFC fighters with the longest reach, only one is short (5'6) and his ape index is +5.5', which means that theoretically he'd look proportionate at 5'11.5. I highly doubt that the LL guy has a +6" AI.

 

[Golden Glass]

I just can't believe this, as expected taller guys usually have higher ape indices as well - from the 15 UFC fighters with the longest reach, only one is short (5'6) and his ape index is +5.5', which means that theoretically he'd look proportionate at 5'11.5. I highly doubt that the LL guy has a +6" AI.

I wasn’t mainly referring to Ape Index, moreso to how long his torso is. I’m not sure if he’s measured his ape index, but from all the videos I’ve seen of him (he posted ones walking after having lengthened to like 12-13cm at that time) he seemed fine.

 

[KingOfSex]

It depends on how flexible you are.

The guy in that thread claims he had no loss of function after 8cm, and that for tibias, he was only supposed to get 4cm, but because of hours of stretching daily, he got the green light to make it to 7cm. Mind you, this is with Paley, and he’s the safest and most experienced LL doctor in the world.

His case for the next two years will be very interesting, to see how his athleticism does after fully recovering and removing the nails (they’re removed 1 year after completion of lengthening).

while i agree with you that in some cases you can lengthen more than 5 cm in one segment of the leg, we gotta go by a wide set of rules that can be applied to the general population of men who want to get that surgery.
after reading opinions from doctors/patients diaries that went through the surgery, the general consensus was that the largest safest amount of lengthening is 5 cm in each segment (5 cm femur+ 5 cm tibia=10 cm total)
by doing this you're certain to keep more than 90% of your athletic abilities and in some cases you can even keep 100% of said ability.
(and lengthening 10 cm will keep you proportional, not that i give a shit about it, as there are 'naturally' disproportionate tall guys and nobody cares about that unless its bizarre)
im only typing this to raise awareness about the maximum amount you can usually lengthen without coping and being delusional

 

[Usum]

Then finishes 5 years later at 4'5 in a wheelchair

 

[Gazzamogga]

keep crying for him

all that matters is how high your head is, nobody gives a fuck for proportions

 

[Golden Glass]

while i agree with you that in some cases you can lengthen more than 5 cm in one segment of the leg, we gotta go by a wide set of rules that can be applied to the general population of men who want to get that surgery.
after reading opinions from doctors/patients diaries that went through the surgery, the general consensus was that the largest safest amount of lengthening is 5 cm in each segment (5 cm femur+ 5 cm tibia=10 cm total)
by doing this you're certain to keep more than 90% of your athletic abilities and in some cases you can even keep 100% of said ability.

im only typing this to raise awareness about the maximum amount you can usually lengthen without coping and being delusional

Yeah absolutely. But no patient has ever tried to do the stretching routine he did. He even said he stretching for so many hours a day while lengthening was agonizing, but even Paley cleared him to continue lengthening due to all the flexibility he gained. That’s why his thread is so popular right now; he’s lengthening to an unprecedented amount and doing so at the most reputable LL clinic on the planet, where, if they see you’re lengthening too much based on your biomechanics, they’d stop you and even undo some lengthening.

@Mayorga and whoever else is claiming anything more than 2-3 inches will kill your proportions...

Here’s a gif I just made of a video of him walking after a total of 13.5 cm, about 5 inches. (he’s still lengthening at that time—the STRYDE nail allows you to walk while lengthening, so that explains why he’s walking funny)

If you saw a guy who was naturally 5’9 with his proportions, you wouldn’t bat an eye.

 

[zeno]

Then finishes 5 years later at 4'5 in a wheelchair

cope, this stuff doesnt happen

 

[Golden Glass]

cope, this stuff doesnt happen

It happens to people who go the third world countries to get this done, and lengthen an insane amount on only one bone (likely tibia), or don’t follow the proper recovery protocol, or weren’t flexible enough to lengthen that much to begin with.

If I was ever gonna do LL I’d start an hour a day stretching routine like the guy in that thread is doing, like a year in advance.

 

[Mayorga]

@Mayorga and whoever else is claiming anything more than 2-3 inches will kill your proportions...

I didn't claim more than 2-3 inches WILL kill your proportions, just that it's more likely to, considering shorter guys generally have lower ape indices. This fella was obviously lucky enough to have good base to begin with, as his shoulders also look decently wide.

 

[zeno]

It happens to people who go the third world countries to get this done, and lengthen an insane amount on only one bone (likely tibia), or don’t follow the proper recovery protocol, or weren’t flexible enough to lengthen that much to begin with.

If I was ever gonna do LL I’d start an hour a day stretching routine like the guy in that thread is doing, like a year in advance.

i know, if you are careful and reasonable with the amount that you want to lengthen and go to a good doctor you will probably be fine..im already doing exercises to stretch my harmstrings and achilles tendon

 

[Golden Glass]

I didn't claim more than 2-3 inches WILL kill your proportions, just that it's more likely to, considering shorter guys generally have lower ape indices. This fella was obviously lucky enough to have good base to begin with, as his shoulders also look decently wide.

Yeah he looks fantastic after 5 inches.

If you want I can make an account there and ask for his measurements.

 

[KingOfSex]

Yeah absolutely. But no patient has ever tried to do the stretching routine he did. He even said he stretching for so many hours a day while lengthening was agonizing, but even Paley cleared him to continue lengthening due to all the flexibility he gained. That’s why his thread is so popular right now; he’s lengthening to an unprecedented amount and doing so at the most reputable LL clinic on the planet, where, if they see you’re lengthening too much based on your biomechanics, they’d stop you and even undo some lengthening.

@Mayorga and whoever else is claiming anything more than 2-3 inches will kill your proportions...

Here’s a gif I just made of a video of him walking after a total of 13.5 cm, about 5 inches. (he’s still lengthening at that time—the STRYDE nail allows you to walk while lengthening, so that explains why he’s walking funny)
View attachment 250602
If you saw a guy who was naturally 5’9 with his proportions, you wouldn’t bat an eye.

can you please link me to where he describes the stretches that he does?

oh and thanks for the gif, he looks really good, but dont forgert that he's wearing a shirt, and it can hide the 'disproportion'
(again, im not saying that he looks disproportionate or that it even matters. no one gives a shit about proportions unless its bizarrely weird. there are 'naturally' tall guys with ugly proportions and no one gives a shit. i've never heard someone say something about proportions at all - not on the normie internet and not on black pill sites (and im lurking PSL for almost 3 years)

 

[Mayorga]

If you want I can make an account there and ask for his measurements.

not personally interested in that, thanks. might be beneficial for guys that actually consider this, but I'm sure the LL forum is a better place for such discussion.

 

[zeno]

@Golden Glass have you read about this greek doctor Dimitrios Giotikas? he has good credit and does four segment cross ll for around 55k euros

Bone & Joint Reconstruction Centre in Europe Athens Greece |

We offer to patients from all over the world the most technologically advanced & scientifically updated orthopaedic treatments in the fields of limb & joint reconstruction.

www.athensbjr.com

 

[Golden Glass]

can you please link me to where he describes the stretches that he does?

oh and thanks for the gif, he looks really good, but dont forgert that he's wearing a shirt, and it can hide the 'disproportion'
(again, im not saying that he looks disproportionate or that it even matters. no one gives a shit about proportions unless its bizarrely weird. there are 'naturally' tall guys with ugly proportions and no one gives a shit. i've never heard someone say something about proportions at all - not on the normie internet and not on black pill sites (and im lurking PSL for almost 3 years)

Here is his Tibia stretching routine, he uses a slant board he bought off amazon, he provides a link or picture for it somewhere in the thread, around page 10-13:

Wow thank you this is very useful!!

Perhaps i should post my current stretching routin so yall can give me input
But so far what i’ve been doing is every hour i’ll go stand on the board for 12 minutes. 6 mins is a dedicated achilles area stretch (you bend you knee and push it forward) and other 6 minutes is a straight leg stretch for the upper calf area

So far i’ve been hitting it every hour so in a day roughly 8-12 times so total stretch time would be.. 12x10 120 mins so 2 hours!! Wow i’m slacking

Can I get more information? Did he just stand on it what was the strategy? Is there a forum

Thank you so much i really wanna hit as close to 8 as possible

And here’s some more useful info he posted:

Quote from: vonchanzo on November 21, 2019, 02:53:46 AM

How many hours/day did you stretch during your femur lengthening? Would you recommend stretches before the femur surgery? If yes, then what kind of stretches?

When I did femurs I only had to do my stretching routine 4x/day compared to roughly 10x/day rn
Not sure if that’s 2x but it feels like a lot more because i’m stretching every hour

My femur stretching routine was
Thomas stretch, 45 second each leg 2 rounds
Rope hamstring stretch to the sky 45 seconds 2 rounds
Knee pushdowns 20 reps each leg on the floor
Single leg toe touches, 45 sec each leg 2 rounds
Did this routine 4x / day (everytime i use the ERC machine)

Deciding what to do first femurs or tibias really depends on your preferences for pros and cons

Femur surgery pros
- 8cm pretty much guaranteed
- less stretching required less maintenence
- scars are higher easier to hide
- most people after achieving 8cm realize they are happy and dont need to do part2

Cons
- your walking gait is affected a lot more because you lose your glutes
- way more inflammation pains, nerve pains muscle pains becuse more muscles
- PT actually sucks - that IT band BURNS with a pain of 10/10 each time
- more strength lost due to major muscles affected
- takes roughly 4 weeks for your hips and sides to not be inflammed to the touch which means u can FINALLY sleep on your sides

Tibias
Pros
- less overall pain due to less muscles (dont b fooled tho still lots of pain)
- less inflamation
- because glutes are not effected, walking gait is much better. I walk a lot better than all the femur patients eventho they did their surgery 3 weeks before me
- hips unaffected so easier to move your body around on the bed

Cons
- Must wear Splints which is annoying AF especially at night makes sleeping way harder
- way more maintenence. You can’t just stretch 4x/day and expect to hit 8cm it’s just not gonna happen. Requires a lot more work ethic. I almost got stopped at 3cm
- hitting over 5cm is not gaurunteed even with high work ethic. I’m only at 3.5cm right now so i can’t confirm anything till I hit it
- scars are hideous and show alot more than femurs

So you gotta choose for yourself what you’d rather deal with. They both suck, which suckness can you handle more. More pain/highly effected walking/major loss of strength but gaurunteed 8cm gain? Or less pain, better walk, high work ethic but 8cm is not garunteed
Your call

@Golden Glass have you read about this greek doctor Dimitrios Giotikas? he has good credit and does four segment cross ll for around 55k euros

Bone & Joint Reconstruction Centre in Europe Athens Greece |

We offer to patients from all over the world the most technologically advanced & scientifically updated orthopaedic treatments in the fields of limb & joint reconstruction.

www.athensbjr.com

I’ve heard giotkas is one of the better LL surgeons. If I ever did LL I would personally go to Paley or Rozburch, but only because I have the money.

 

[PurplePaintBox]

Only costs two years worth of a ceos salary

 

[Golden Glass]

Only costs two years worth of a ceos salary

Or a 1-2 years a lambda graduate if you land a good job.

so many basement dwellers in this forum would ascend if they just entrolled to that 9 month program

 

[Usum]

So you mean I could go to 6'6 ?
4 inches with LL and 2' with shoes ?
I would look like a Q-tip

 

[KingOfSex]

Here is his Tibia stretching routine, he uses a slant board he bought off amazon, he provides a link or picture for it somewhere in the thread, around page 10-13:




And here’s some more useful info he posted:









I’ve heard giotkas is one of the better LL surgeons. If I ever did LL I would personally go to Paley or Rozburch, but only because I have the money.

thanks a lot for the thorough reply bro
btw, i see a lot of people talk about Rozburch, but i really dont get the hype. why is he on the same level with Paley? i also barely see diaries with Rozburch as opposed to Paley for example

 

[Golden Glass]

thanks a lot for the thorough reply bro
btw, i see a lot of people talk about Rozburch, but i really dont get the hype. why is he on the same level with Paley? i also barely see diaries with Rozburch as opposed to Paley for example

The consensus on that forum, is that after how many years of it being active, the best doctors seem to be Paley, Rozburch, and that other guy in LA.

 

[KingOfSex]

that other guy in LA.

you're talking about shahab mahboubian?

 

[BigBoy]

Jfl, he spent $190k just to be 6ft 1 with lifts.

Meanwhile I'm 6ft 2 with shoes but without surgeries, without lifts.

i dont remember asking

 

[Patient A]

Yeah absolutely. But no patient has ever tried to do the stretching routine he did. He even said he stretching for so many hours a day while lengthening was agonizing, but even Paley cleared him to continue lengthening due to all the flexibility he gained. That’s why his thread is so popular right now;

@Mayorga and whoever else is claiming anything more than 2-3 inches will kill your proportions...

Here’s a gif I just made of a video of him walking after a total of 13.5 cm, about 5 inches.
View attachment 250602

POST SOURCE PLEASE

Or a 1-2 years a lambda graduate if you land a good job.

so many basement dwellers in this forum would ascend if they just entrolled to that 9 month program

is that what you do for cash/wonga/dollar

 

[Golden Glass]

POST SOURCE PLEASE

It’s from this thread,
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9104.0
Very interesting LL patient. If he can recover completely after he finishes and gets his nails removed a year later, it would be lifefuel for manlets.

 

[Patient A]

It’s from this thread,
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9104.0
Very interesting LL patient. If he can recover completely after he finishes and gets his nails removed a year later, it would be lifefuel for manlets.

are you a lamda student?

 

[Golden Glass]

are you a lamda student?

No. But if I was broke I would sign up in a heartbeat.

 

[needsolution]

Yeah absolutely. But no patient has ever tried to do the stretching routine he did. He even said he stretching for so many hours a day while lengthening was agonizing, but even Paley cleared him to continue lengthening due to all the flexibility he gained. That’s why his thread is so popular right now; he’s lengthening to an unprecedented amount and doing so at the most reputable LL clinic on the planet, where, if they see you’re lengthening too much based on your biomechanics, they’d stop you and even undo some lengthening.

@Mayorga and whoever else is claiming anything more than 2-3 inches will kill your proportions...

Here’s a gif I just made of a video of him walking after a total of 13.5 cm, about 5 inches. (he’s still lengthening at that time—the STRYDE nail allows you to walk while lengthening, so that explains why he’s walking funny)
View attachment 250602
If you saw a guy who was naturally 5’9 with his proportions, you wouldn’t bat an eye.

Impressive. I was struggling with 7cm in total on my right limb.

 

[Downey]

Impressive. I was struggling with 7cm in total on my right limb.

you got LL? didn’t knowwe had any on this forum

 

[Golden Glass]

Impressive. I was struggling with 7cm in total on my right limb.

You got LL?