everyone should. anyway
But id you don't have at least above averge genetics it won't help much, you need to creat god body, then statusmax using this body.
as much as gymcelling is not a solution to face, its still best thing most incels can do at the end of the day
Sad part is the only difference MOST people will notice at sub 10% bf is a defined face and more vascular forearms... Which is good! but... 90% of the time you just want to take your shirt off to show how lean you really are and how hard you actually worked.
Face is literally everything tho, bellow 12% face is everything, body is only the iceing
you need to have good shoulder to waist/hip before gymceling to look good in clothes.
roid can halp only with gaining size and keeping low bf. Thing that really does matter are your frame and musle insertions
Yeah, but whats even more important is buying clothes that taper. I weigh 192 pounds at 5% bodyfat and look fat as hell if the shirt just hangs off my chest.
Phenotype is even more important than face imo. I'm a natural ginger and have to cope so fucking hard JFL
Yeah but gymcelled with bad frame is still better than non gymcelled with bad frame. And some of us who think have a bad frame don't even have a really bad one, just skinny.
how tall are you?
180
you don't need ll tbh, depends where you live, but in my country you're above averge. IF you want to get this serious looksmaxing stuff, invest that money and time to your face. Your smv won't increase that much by getting from 180 to 185 like it would lets say from 170 to 175. If you have flaws on face fix them first.
You don't need to roid for an aesthetic body. I use to think it was genetics till I fixed nutrition and started lucrative training sessions. Keep in mind most girls don't like roid aesthetics anyways. Your genetic maximum (physique) will be plenty. If times the issue just know your first two years of gymcelling are when people explode and the rest is just a steady 10-20 pounds of muscle a year.
yes i will start easy. I need some base first. Roids are good for keeping that 10%bf with decent musle mass whole year
I will go from 180 to 192, major difference. And I'm a manlet in my country. And I'm only going for rhinoplasty face wise, rest is soft looksmaxes like tanning and skin lasering. I'm not gonna get implants I think because that's a little weird maybe some fillers though. Money invested in LL is the best investment I could do.
That’s if your genetics are shit/average
180 and a manlet? Jfl Netherlands? That's biggest cope i ever heard that you will go 12cm ll instead of going for that good face. Maybe you could get better lower third, zygos, do something with eye area? Create so halos? This forum is height obsessed instead of face obsessed like it should be
Kind of yeah. Shirts REALLY mask gains. I'm seen as normal with a shirt on.. when im shirtless people ask what I'm on...
True, I've noticed something though. Bf % isn't as important as the ratio of muscle to fat. People who are over 200lbs can look lean at 15% bf provided the rest is muscle. whereas someone who is 130 lbs with 15% bf just looks like a lil chublet.
