Gymcels, have any of you GAINED muscle while on a defecit?

[looks>books]

If yes, how do yk its not placebo? (Just lost fat, so muscles pop more but didn’t necessarily “gain)

What was your split?

Sets/reps/rest?

What what was your calories and protein?

 

[expert]

i gained 10kg

 

[looks>books]

@PompastyMogs @judif3r @actualunderstander

 

[Montenigger]

no

 

[looks>books]

i gained 10kg

And you looked leaner?

 

[NotaChadyet]

you can't put on muscle on a deficit

 

[looks>books]

you can't put on muscle on a deficit

Many users here say you can

 

[NotaChadyet]

Many users here say you can

Dorian saraci has a vid up on it and he is natty you can check that out (assuming you are natty)

 

[looks>books]

Bump

 

[looks>books]

Dorian saraci has a vid up on it and he is natty you can check that out (assuming you are natty)

Good vid, will try

Been doing low carb/keto tho since its impossible to stay under calories+hit protein+and eat carbs

 

[actualunderstander]

At first, yes. I havent tried doing it in awhile after 4 years worth of lifting, so I cant say. But when I started out, and was a nooby, absolutely. Id still say tho, even as a nooby, to lift in bulking phases. It optimizes muscle gains and a good way to look at it is whats 9 more months of being a bit chubby gonna mean in the long run? If you have a bit more fat than you like rn, bulking another 9-10 months (not dirty bulk but clean bulk) isnt gonna matter and you will put on lots of muscle (possibly 20lbs of lean muscle as a nooby) so when you do cut down, you will have a body worth cutting to. Then, you can lean bulk from there. Youre basically sacrificing 10 or so months to being a bit chubby (plus the time it takes to cut and get lean) but in the end, you will be more ripped than ever after the cut is finished.

 

[svarddre]

I have but I think it’s due to muscle memory. I used to be big but then I stopped working out for 2 years

 

[White_Bwoi]

Muscles are cope anyway, lean always win anyways (with htn+ face) so

 

[keegan]

Muscles are cope anyway, lean always win anyways (with htn+ face) so

You need muscle to be lean retard

 

[testNtren]

When on test I did

 

[looks>books]

At first, yes. I havent tried doing it in awhile after 4 years worth of lifting, so I cant say. But when I started out, and was a nooby, absolutely. Id still say tho, even as a nooby, to lift in bulking phases. It optimizes muscle gains and a good way to look at it is whats 9 more months of being a bit chubby gonna mean in the long run? If you have a bit more fat than you like rn, bulking another 9-10 months (not dirty bulk but clean bulk) isnt gonna matter and you will put on lots of muscle (possibly 20lbs of lean muscle as a nooby) so when you do cut down, you will have a body worth cutting to. Then, you can lean bulk from there. Youre basically sacrificing 10 or so months to being a bit chubby (plus the time it takes to cut and get lean) but in the end, you will be more ripped than ever after the cut is finished.

How much of a surplus?

 

[beer123]

Dorian saraci has a vid up on it and he is natty you can check that out (assuming you are natty)

the video also applies if im 16 ,right? it wont fuck up my growth and shit

 

[black_berry]

the video also applies if im 16 ,right? it wont fuck up my growth and shit

It takes a lot to fk up your growth, don’t believe this don’t deficit in puberty stuff

 

[beer123]

It takes a lot to fk up your growth, don’t believe this don’t deficit in puberty stuff

aight cheers

 

[Foreverbrad]

When on tren only.

 

[looks>books]

the video also applies if im 16 ,right? it wont fuck up my growth and shit

I wouldnt cut in puberty if i were you

Too risky

 

[beer123]

so why do u say i shouldn't but the guy above says theres almost no problem in cutting? Also what are really the bad side effects from cutting at my age( aside from less progression in weights)
Not saying u are a dumbass but idk what to do

 

[kingofkings]

Obviously it depends on different variables

1. How close you are to your muscle size limit
2. How fat you are
3. How large the deficit is
4. How good your nutrition is
5. If you're natty

And so on.

If you're a noob, it's easy. If you're pretty fat, it's easy. If you're on gear, it's easy.

If you're natty, in shape and not that fat, it's really hard. I'm on a slow cut rn and I'm just trying to maintain.

 

[yex]

never been on a gay deficit slop anorexicmaxx leanmassgain for life, slight calorie surplus for life until death

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Steroids

 

[Midasw]

If yes, how do yk its not placebo? (Just lost fat, so muscles pop more but didn’t necessarily “gain)

What was your split?

Sets/reps/rest?

What what was your calories and protein?

i did for years, went from 90 to 67 to 75 to now 80 all
whilst losing fat except for one bulk

16 sets per muscle per week, each set taken to atleast 1 rep shy of failure, imagine someone pointing a gun at your head forcing you to train
i did anterior posterior split, push pull legs, and bro split, and all i can say is split really doesnt contribute much, just dont ever train a muscle when its still sore

aim 100-200 calories under maintenance, making sure to only calculate maintance on basal metabolic rate +steps taken+ amount of excersize
like 100 grams of protein, mostly more but you dont actually need that much

 

[Chinacurry]

Many users here say you can

Only if ur noob af

 

[looks>books]

i did for years, went from 90 to 67 to 75 to now 80 all
whilst losing fat except for one bulk

16 sets per muscle per week, each set taken to atleast 1 rep shy of failure, imagine someone pointing a gun at your head forcing you to train
i did anterior posterior split, push pull legs, and bro split, and all i can say is split really doesnt contribute much, just dont ever train a muscle when its still sore

aim 100-200 calories under maintenance, making sure to only calculate maintance on basal metabolic rate +steps taken+ amount of excersize
like 100 grams of protein, mostly more but you dont actually need that much

Do you have a good physique?

 

[looks>books]

Obviously it depends on different variables

1. How close you are to your muscle size limit
2. How fat you are
3. How large the deficit is
4. How good your nutrition is
5. If you're natty

And so on.

If you're a noob, it's easy. If you're pretty fat, it's easy. If you're on gear, it's easy.

If you're natty, in shape and not that fat, it's really hard. I'm on a slow cut rn and I'm just trying to maintain.

So intermediate lifters will need a bulk

 

[looks>books]

so why do u say i shouldn't but the guy above says theres almost no problem in cutting? Also what are really the bad side effects from cutting at my age( aside from less progression in weights)
Not saying u are a dumbass but idk what to do

Stunts height growth

Even if not you dont want to risk it

 

[Midasw]

Do you have a good physique?

yes

 

[Onknown47594]

If yes, how do yk its not placebo? (Just lost fat, so muscles pop more but didn’t necessarily “gain)

What was your split?

Sets/reps/rest?

What what was your calories and protein?

High frequency split, 3 or longer min rest2-4 sets per muscle group each workout, training each muscles joint functions, pick a rep range above 3 and below 11 because the last 5 reps of a set are the ones that actually produce high level motor units and over 10 reps is extra fatigue with barely any extra stimulus, if a muscle group is lacking train it unilaterally and put it more towards the front of ur session because the movements at the end of ur session ur are already fatigued for them and u won’t be as strong and progress as fast on them

 

[looks>books]

yes

Can i pm?

 

[Midasw]

Can i pm?

what for dudd

 

[looks>books]

what for dudd

Physique pic

 

[temurosetoy7]

Good vid, will try

Been doing low carb/keto tho since its impossible to stay under calories+hit protein+and eat carbs

this is the mistake ur making

carbs are responsible for maximal motor unit recruitment = how hard u push = how much growth u stimulate
also responsible for muscle atrophy mechanisms

0.8g protein / lb and 50-60g of fat is all u need, rest goes into carbs ( with a focus on before your workout )

not sure what diet you are following to not have enough room for carbs

 

[Gus17]

Yea just don’t be low T. You need a small deficit and to workout atleast 4 days a week.

 

[Nikolas Romanov]

If yes, how do yk its not placebo? (Just lost fat, so muscles pop more but didn’t necessarily “gain)

What was your split?

Sets/reps/rest?

What what was your calories and protein?

yea u can just wayy slower than on surplus. Over the course of say a year, you can bulk and then cut to a certain body fat and have way more muscle than somebody who just maintained at that bf or cut to their slowly the whole year. lean is good but it should only be considered after developing ur base (unless ur on gear lol)